Did Lucas fail to make Anakin a compelling character?

Anakin was an annoying kid in ep 1, a shitty brat teenager in ep 2 and a decent human being in ep 3...story of Anakins downfall was straight forwardwas good enough but Hayden didn't ever come across as heroic when he needed to be in ep 3; that was the biggest strike against him tbh. If you watch TCW and ROTS, its as if they are two different Anakins. The cartoon version was much more believable of a hero with a dark side to him. Had he been like that in ROTS we could have gotten behind him a little more.

If youre really looking at the story; scrap the one apprentice plot point for the Sith and Jedi; have Qui Gon teaching both Obi Wan and Anakin in ep 1; develop a tight friendship between Padme, Anakin and Obi Wan hinting at a slight love triangle between the three in ep 2, have Dooku and Maul apprentice under Sidious at the same time, keep Maul alive until he's fed to Anakin in ep 3....

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nah, Finn was great to watch every scene he was in. And Harrison Ford gave a great performance as the old Han. Even Chewie was funny in almost every scene, and we know BB8 nailed it. Rey was interesting as well. And of course the best scene in the entire film is when we finally see Luke.

Kylo on the other hand was just a cry baby. Instead of making him intimidating they used him for laughs.

No more cry baby villains for the next one please. Bring back that feeling when Vader walks into the room. Or when the doors open and you see Maul standing there. And if they can't do intimidating then at least give us the gravitas of a Dooku or a manipulative type like Palpatine.

Originally posted by ares834
But Kylo was great.

Nah.

I would've taken Kylo seriously had he not come off as an immature child (e.g going on rampages destroying his own military equipment). In my mind, he and prequel Skywalker come off as being equally childish.

He raged. Who cares ? You Kylo haters are making me sick. The man killed a Han Solo. Did Vader achieve that ? **** no.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He raged. Who cares ? You Kylo haters are making me sick. The man killed a Han Solo. Did Vader achieve that ? **** no.

Originally posted by Kurk
"He raged so what?" It shows a level of immaturity when someone behaves like that. Vader did the same thing in RotS when he TK crushed everything in the medical-facility over Padme's death. Kylo's was arguably worse because he did the same thing over something as small as losing BB8 I believe. Grievous did the same thing all the time in TCW and I have quite a low opinion of him.
Did Dooku or Sidious ever do such things? For the most part, they were calm, calculating, and smart about how they portrayed themselves to others as that was also key to maintaining power and influence. If they had rage moments, they would channel it into something productive.
I'm hoping Kylo matures a bit in the next episode and acts more like a respectable leader—like his master—instead of a spoiled child.

They were much older so you're judging a much younger person to geriatrics. Horrible comparison. You will eat your words. Trust Quan.

Kylo's emotional instability is part of what makes the character fun IMO.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nah, Finn was great to watch every scene he was in. And Harrison Ford gave a great performance as the old Han. Even Chewie was funny in almost every scene, and we know BB8 nailed it. Rey was interesting as well. And of course the best scene in the entire film is when we finally see Luke.

Finn was fun sure. But he was almost entirely comedy relief and his arc in the film make little sense. At the beginning of the film he pretty much incapable of fighting, refuses to kill, and is traumatized by the death of his ST friends. A few scenes later he is casually killing his former soldiers.

Rey, meanwhile, is probably the least interesting character in the film. We're so distracted by her mysterious background and Daisy's performance that we fail to realize she has virtually no personality. Her only defining characteristics are that she is a badass who is good at everything and that she wants a family.

As for the returning characters, sure they were mostly fine other than the fact that they undo everything Luke did in the OT and completely regress all of Han Solo's character development. 😐

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Kylo on the other hand was just a cry baby. Instead of making him intimidating they used him for laughs.

What a thought provoking analysis, please tell me more.

Now, I'm not saying you have to like the villain. He certainly isn't a bad ass like Maul or Vader. At least not yet. But it the depth of the character that I find makes him so interesting.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He is younger and isn't fully trained. BB8 had what the first order wanted. The location of you know who. They wanted that info so that's far more important to the grander scheme than Anakin's petty loss of his abysmal whore of a wife. I saw the way she looked at Kenobi. That ****ing skank.

They were much older so you're judging a much younger person to geriatrics. Horrible comparison. You will eat your words. Trust Quan.

Lol at the Padme comments. What Kenobi scene are you talking about?

I agree that generally speaking that younger people are more immature than older ones, but there are exceptions to the rule. Look at Maul; for the most part he was fairly mature and could control his emotions. Remember in TCW when Kenobi escapes from the turtle-tanker? Savage becomes impatient but Maul shows his discipline when he says he waited for so long and he can wait a little longer. He didn't start destroying shit when he didn't get his way like Kylo.

Originally posted by Kurk
Training has nothing to do with your temperament. Maul was young yet we never see him go on meaningless rampages. Why? Because he was heavily disciplined as a child. Kylo lacks the emotional intelligence and discipline.

Lol at the Padme comments. What Kenobi scene are you talking about?

I agree that generally speaking that younger people are more immature than older ones, but there are exceptions to the rule. Look at Maul; for the most part he was fairly mature and could control his emotions. Remember in TCW when Kenobi escapes from the turtle-tanker? Savage becomes impatient but Maul shows his discipline when he says he waited for so long and he can wait a little longer. He didn't start destroying shit when he didn't get his way like Kylo.

Maul rages out as well. It's what the dark siders do. Emotions make them stronger. Maul is more well tuned and in control but he's also had more experience than Kylo whose training hasn't even concluded.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Age, experience, etc. has to do with someone's temperament. We see Vader changed his after rots. Kylo is angry as most dark siders. Het gets frustrated but he's still fixated on his mission. That's what I want you care about anger like a girl.

Maul rages out as well. It's what the dark siders do. Emotions make them stronger. Maul is more well tuned and in control but he's also had more experience than Kylo whose training hasn't even concluded.

Originally posted by Kurk
Because of the way Kylo carries himself, we're going to see him as immature and inexperienced. It's not an excuse to act like that. Smart people know how to get to stage 2 faster. Yes Maul rages, just like Dooku and Sidious, but they put their anger to "better use", as Dooku once told Savage. While Kylo takes out his anger on his own ship equipment, other sith put that energy into strategic planning for example.

Vader was told to stand down for being childish when he forced choked that ranked official by Tarkin. That's embarrassing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to his age and lack of experiences. That's to be expected. You're comparing him to men of twice his age. It's like comparing a 15 year old to a 40 year old. Kylo did nothing significant to the first order in terms of damage. Who cares ? You act like he brought down a star destroyer.

Vader was told to stand down for being childish when he forced choked that ranked official by Tarkin. That's embarrassing.

Originally posted by Kurk
Yeah that is embarrassing when Vader behaved like he did. I don't use age as an excuse for one's lack of discipline. Palpatine raised Maul with much discipline—there is nothing to suggest the same for Kylo. I know 17/18/19 year olds who don't act like children—they're typically very smart individuals. So in a way, Kylo's behavior is painting him as being unintelligent and unfit for his role in The First Order.

Anakin acted impetuous, arrogant, and foolish as a Jedi. He was the chosen one. He later became much more disciplined with age but age doesn't matter to you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well that makes you completely wrong. Brains don't even stop developing until a certain age yet you ignore this and hold eight year olds to the same standards as 30 year olds. Ridiculous.

Anakin acted impetuous, arrogant, and foolish as a Jedi. He was the chosen one. He later became much more disciplined with age but age doesn't matter to you.

Originally posted by Kurk
Did I say anything about eight year-olds Quanchi? You should read closer attention next time. I agree with what you said about Anakin and as a result no-one liked him. Kylo acts just like him; so he is also an unlikable character. Don't you see? Until he changes that's just how it's going to be.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kylo didn't act just like him. He killed his own father. Just inexperienced and very angry. I really enjoyed this character. Much better than Vader the overhyped cripple who is dead.

Anakin and Kylo are both inexperienced and angry; we can check that box off.

So what's the true contrast here?

Originally posted by Kurk
Kylo killed his father, Anakin killed many of the people he grew up with, fought with, and lived with since he was a child. He murdered dozens of children in cold blood. He tried to kill the closest person he had to a father/brother, Obi Wan. Yes he failed, but he did it without emotional conflict. That's pretty comparable to killing your own father.

Anakin and Kylo are both inexperienced and angry; we can check that box off.

So what's the true contrast here?

Kylo is much better. He was more mature than Anakin and didn't openly throughout the film. Anakin is a disgrace to the dark side.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He felt betrayed by Kenobi. You hear him even turn on his own wife he was so out of his mind. Anakin never killed a family member., he chose to turn on the Jedi as a result of his actions and his love of Padme. No, it isn't since Han Solo was trying to be supportive and loving.

Kylo is much better. He was more mature than Anakin and didn't openly throughout the film. Anakin is a disgrace to the dark side.

Again, what shows that Kylo was significantly less immature than Anakin?

Originally posted by Kurk
lol thanks for helping my point. His willingness to kill Padme shows he wasn't weak. Anakin also turned on the jedi because he was being treated unfairly. Palpatine points this out to him numerous times in the film. Lol Anakin didn't have a family member to kill after his mom died. The closest he had was Kenobi and Padme. So Solo was trying to be supportive and loving but Padme and Kenobi weren't? Give me a break.

Again, what shows that Kylo was significantly less immature than Anakin?

Kenobi drew his Lightsaber and went there to stop the maniac. He tired to reason with the crybaby but got what he deserved. He felt betrayed by Kenobi the same can't be said for Han and Ben.

His self reflection, he did what he intended on doing despite the lure of the light whereas Anakin sacrificed his ideals for his fear of losing Padme in the moment. He failed according to his ideals whereas Ben triumphed.