Did Lucas fail to make Anakin a compelling character?

Originally posted by Kurk
What do you mean Palpatine failed to do what Snoke did to Ben? He tooled Maul, Dooku, and Vader just like how Snoke holds Kylo's leash. "Anakin failed to acknowledge the pull of the light but failed anyways despite more experience in the dark-side". When did a young Vader do anything like this?

Let's just settle for both Anakin and Kylo are emotionally weak.

Yeah if Kylo matures into someone like his master I'll be impressed. In the meantime, he's an immature child like Anakin. Lol what growth between AotC and RotS?

Kylo isn't emotionally weak. Anakin was. He was a traitor. No, Kylo isn't since he made the right call. He did what Snoke wanted and killed his weak old man, Han Solo. I'll be disappointed if Kylo jumps ship in a future film but I don't believe he will. As of now what he did was glorious.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Palpatine didn't want to lose Maul. Dooku was left in place of Vader. Vader betrayed him and ultimately wasn't under his control which resulted in his death. Young Vader didn't face the same circumstances when a family member. When he was older and with more experience he couldn't even hack what according to you an immature Ben Solo was able to deal with. 😂

Kylo isn't emotionally weak. Anakin was. He was a traitor. No, Kylo isn't since he made the right call. He did what Snoke wanted and killed his weak old man, Han Solo. I'll be disappointed if Kylo jumps ship in a future film but I don't believe he will. As of now what he did was glorious.

I'm only focusing on RotS Vader young Vader here in order to compare him with Kylo. When Kylo reaches the same age as RotJ we'll talk. Until then, there is nothing to indicate that Kylo was less emotionally conflicted than early Vader.

Emotional weakness has nothing to do with someone being a traitor.
Emotionally weak - Get carried away by small problems.
Emotionally strong - Able to face any worst situation and remain calm at that situation.

Both Kylo and Anakin are emotionally weak. Kylo couldn't keep himself calm after Rey got loose, or when they temporarily lost BB8. That's, like you say, nothing in the grand scheme of things related to the New Order.

Originally posted by Kurk
There is no proof that Sidious wanted to keep Maul for the long-term.

I'm only focusing on RotS Vader young Vader here in order to compare him with Kylo. When Kylo reaches the same age as RotJ we'll talk. Until then, there is nothing to indicate that Kylo was less emotionally conflicted than early Vader.

Emotional weakness has nothing to do with someone being a traitor.
Emotionally weak - Get carried away by small problems.
Emotionally strong - Able to face any worst situation and remain calm at that situation.

Both Kylo and Anakin are emotionally weak. Kylo couldn't keep himself calm after Rey got loose, or when they temporarily lost BB8. That's, like you say, nothing in the grand scheme of things related to the New Order.

Rots Vader was emotionally conflicted and didn't want to turn to the dark side but after he reacted he felt he had no choice.

Yes, it does because if you have an emotional weakness you can flip easier than someone who is emotionally strong. He was falling to pieces just by the thought of losing Padme. Weak as ****.

Kylo isn't emotionally weak as he identified his problems and worked through them. That's how you address anything occurring. He dealt with it no matter how difficult it was. He had rage issues but he dealt with it just fine. He stayed on the task. You're overreacting because he trashed a few rooms. Who cares you drama queen.

Pa. Rots Vader trashed a room when he found out his whore wife was dead. Oh the irony.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't intend on losing him in APM.

Rots Vader was emotionally conflicted and didn't want to turn to the dark side but after he reacted he felt he had no choice.

Yes, it does because if you have an emotional weakness you can flip easier than someone who is emotionally strong. He was falling to pieces just by the thought of losing Padme. Weak as ****.

Kylo isn't emotionally weak as he identified his problems and worked through them. That's how you address anything occurring. He dealt with it no matter how difficult it was. He had rage issues but he dealt with it just fine. He stayed on the task. You're overreacting because he trashed a few rooms. Who cares you drama queen.

Pa. Rots Vader trashed a room when he found out his whore wife was dead. Oh the irony.

This does nothing to suggest that Kylo was more emotionally sound in TFA

A very rational person can flip sides too. That's exactly what Dooku did. Correlation does not equal causation.

Kylo admitted that he was being used by Snoke and it required a great amount of will-power to kill Solo. At the end he was clearly out of it. Yes it worked through his problems, but not easily. I'm not concerned with him trashing a few rooms, I'm concerned with his lack of ability to take information calmly, process it, and come up with a rational solution. Instead he destroys equipment while screaming like a child who lost a Call of Duty match. He then strangles his messenger for the failure of another group of soldiers. Even Vader didn't do that.

P.S I already mentioned Vader's RotS rampage earlier. Do you have dementia?

Originally posted by Kurk
Okay

This does nothing to suggest that Kylo was more emotionally sound in TFA

A very rational person can flip sides too. That's exactly what Dooku did. Correlation does not equal causation.

Kylo admitted that he was being used by Snoke and it required a great amount of will-power to kill Solo. At the end he was clearly out of it. Yes it worked through his problems, but not easily. I'm not concerned with him trashing a few rooms, I'm concerned with his lack of ability to take information calmly, process it, and come up with a rational solution. Instead he destroys equipment while screaming like a child who lost a Call of Duty match. He then strangles his messenger for the failure of another group of soldiers. Even Vader didn't do that.

P.S I already mentioned Vader's RotS rampage earlier. Do you have dementia?

So you believe Anakin was rational in rots ? 😂

Dooku wasn't a mess emotionally like Anakin was. We are comparing the two you dolt.

He was a part of the first order and remained within the first order for Snoke. So what ? He still went about achieving his mission so again you're being dramatic while ignoring Vader doing the same when he's upset.

If I have dementia you have Down's syndrome.

Which is worse ?

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it does since Anakin sacrificed his ideals over fear of loss. He was as unstable as it gets the entire film. He was so lost he attacked the woman he went to the dark side for. If you can't see that you're kind of an idiot.

So you believe Anakin was rational in rots ? 😂

Dooku wasn't a mess emotionally like Anakin was. We are comparing the two you dolt.

He was a part of the first order and remained within the first order for Snoke. So what ? He still went about achieving his mission so again you're being dramatic while ignoring Vader doing the same when he's upset.

If I have dementia you have Down's syndrome.

Which is worse ?

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That's not what I said. You were making it sound like only irrational people change sides when that's not the case. I used Dooku as a counter-example. He too was tempted by the light-side in Dark Rendezvous, yet he wasn't an emotional reck like Kylo or Anakin.

We're comparing the two to determine (in my case) that Kylo, like Anakin, was emotionally immature.

What do you mean so what? It proves my point that Kylo is emotionally immature.

That was pretty funny tbh. If I have an extra chromosome, you're missing one.

Originally posted by Kurk
I'm not debating whether or not Anakin was emotionally unstable; he was. We're comparing him to Kylo to determine whether or not Ren is also emotionally unstable. You seem to keep getting off track.

That's not what I said. You were making it sound like only irrational people change sides when that's not the case. I used Dooku as a counter-example. He too was tempted by the light-side in Dark Rendezvous, yet he wasn't an emotional reck like Kylo or Anakin.

We're comparing the two to determine (in my case) that Kylo, like Anakin, was emotionally immature.

What do you mean so what? It proves my point that Kylo is emotionally immature.

That was pretty funny tbh. If I have an extra chromosome, you're missing one.

You are trying to look to other characters when this is an Anakin and Ben comparison only. You wanted to compare rots Vader to Kylo and it's still worse for Vader.

I said Kylo was immature because of his age and his inexperience. Do you have dementia ?

Kylo stayed true to his convictions while Anakin turned into a broken cripple known as Vader who also lost his wife.

#vadertrainwreckconfirmed

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ren wasn't since he kept his focus and stayed loyal to the first order. You seem to not get the fact Kylo was fine.

You are trying to look to other characters when this is an Anakin and Ben comparison only. You wanted to compare rots Vader to Kylo and it's still worse for Vader.

I said Kylo was immature because of his age and his inexperience. Do you have dementia ?

Kylo stayed true to his convictions while Anakin turned into a broken cripple known as Vader who also lost his wife.

#vadertrainwreckconfirmed

I was rebutting your claim with an outside source.

I don't give a shit if Ren is 20 or 60; the point is that he's emotionally immature. You're looking for excuses now. His young age only suggests that there is room for him to change this in the future which we don't know.

Vader at least got some nice ass & t1ts within his lifetime. Kylo probably uses Vader's helmet as a fleshlight as he jerks off to nudes of Captain Phasma.

Originally posted by Kurk
You are saying that because he didn't quit the order he's emotionally stable. There is literally no correlation between those two things. I've already said that his meaningless rampages are enough of an indication to prove that he's emotionally immature.

I was rebutting your claim with an outside source.

I don't give a shit if Ren is 20 or 60; the point is that he's emotionally immature. You're looking for excuses now. His young age only suggests that there is room for him to change this in the future which we don't know.

Vader at least got some nice ass & t1ts within his lifetime. Kylo probably uses Vader's helmet as a fleshlight as he jerks off to nudes of Captain Phasma.

No, you didn't.

Age and experience matters with maturity you dolt. According to you age does t matter so let's judge someone eight years old to the same standards as someone 18. You can change at any age you idiot.

Vader lived decades as a cripple confined to a suit while he believed he caused his wife's death. Kylo is serving the first order and about to have his training completed. He earned it with Han's death. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am saying he went through his emotions in a much healthier way than Anakin. He also stayed true to his beliefs unlike Anakin. I agreed he's immature but his rampages are normal for someone of that age with that inexperience.

No, you didn't.

Age and experience matters with maturity you dolt. According to you age does t matter so let's judge someone eight years old to the same standards as someone 18. You can change at any age you idiot.

Vader lived decades as a cripple confined to a suit while he believed he caused his wife's death. Kylo is serving the first order and about to have his training completed. He earned it with Han's death. 🙂

Age and experience does matter, but with that being said, Kylo is not an eight-year-old; he is an adult in charge of a large and powerful organization. Don't you think it would be appropriate if he acted like it?

Won't it be funny if Kylo meets the same fate as Dooku and gets executed like a cuck by Rey? He's admitted that he's a tool so I'm sure he wouldn't be surprised himself.

Originally posted by Kurk
1st point you've conceded is that Kylo is emotionally immature. We can check that off finally.

Age and experience does matter, but with that being said, Kylo is not an eight-year-old; he is an adult in charge of a large and powerful organization. Don't you think it would be appropriate if he acted like it?

Won't it be funny if Kylo meets the same fate as Dooku and gets executed like a cuck by Rey? He's admitted that he's a tool so I'm sure he wouldn't be surprised himself.

So now age matters thus you concede the point. I think it was fine and the organization didn't lose anything significant over his temper. Nothing.

Now on the other end how about Vader just getting on his knees in a submissive position after he attacked his own wife. What an unstable and weak *******.

He'd object. Dooku just took it without an objection which makes him a cuck.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I said he was but not to the extent you're clamoring for. You already conceded he's better off than Anakin.

So now age matters thus you concede the point. I think it was fine and the organization didn't lose anything significant over his temper. Nothing.

Now on the other end how about Vader just getting on his knees in a submissive position after he attacked his own wife. What an unstable and weak *******.

He'd object. Dooku just took it without an objection which makes him a cuck.

2. I never said age isn't a factor in this. I just don't use it as an excuse like you.

3. He got on his knees after choking Padme?

4. We don't know what he'd do. That's speculation.

Originally posted by Kurk

3. He got on his knees after choking Padme?

He's confusing scenes because he's never seen the whole movie.

He's a SW Hater just pretending to be a fan to put the franchise and its main characters down.

Originally posted by Kurk
1. If he's better by Anakin, it's marginal. Both had fears; Kylo was afraid he wouldn't become as powerful as Vader, Anakin that he would lose Padme. Anakin was manipulated by Palpatine, Kylo is being manipulated by Snoke.

2. I never said age isn't a factor in this. I just don't use it as an excuse like you.

3. He got on his knees after choking Padme?

4. We don't know what he'd do. That's speculation.

1. Most have fears that is irrelevant. Kylomis task related Vader is I can't lose her I need her co dependent. Anakin killed Palpatine in weakness has Ben turned on Snoke in weakness yet ?

2. So you concede the point.

3. No, even better for my position. Through anger he immaturely attacked her the one reason he did this for. Shows how short sighted and emotionally immature Vader was even at an older age than Kylo.

4. You are right so you can't see anything either. We do know Dooku just allowed it.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
He's confusing scenes because he's never seen the whole movie.

He's a SW Hater just pretending to be a fan to put the franchise and its main characters down.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They did temp down and humiliate Vader. Tano's interference and skill level saved Kanan's life. Vader wasn't man enough to defeat Tano on his own so of course Kanan survived the encounter with her help.

You accepted one battlezone and the day of walked away from Vader against Khan. You'll never live it down because you accepted and pussed put the day of.

I'll make you a challenge though.[B] Loser doesn't post in the Star Wars section for three months after judgment is given.

Kelvin era vs. Ot era. All good and bad guys aligned and we only debate 3 vs 3 films. Only ships and soldiers seen or referenced by numbers.

Do you accept ? [/B]

Loser leaves the Star Wars section for three months.