Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Naah, you're the master of picking and choosing (DC and Marvel). I like how you brought up bfr here.http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=635874&pagenumber=3
I can post more threads where you fail to mention it when it is highly possible it could be used (Marvel vs DC)
I never brought up BFR there?
Nor did I bring up BFR here, after you (belatedly) changed the OP....
I said he could remove kneecaps and body parts.
Which ISN'T bfr.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I never brought up BFR there?Nor did I bring up BFR here, after you (belatedly) changed the OP....
I said he could remove kneecaps and body parts.
Which ISN'T bfr.
Scans of him doing this. I want to see limbs separated. Also, how many wins would you give Thor over Pre Crisis Superman?
Originally posted by carver9
Scans of him doing this. I want to see limbs separated. Also, how many wins would you give Thor over Pre Crisis Superman?
Oh a wiser poster than me claimed that since Surfer threatened Glads, even though he never actually did it (just threatened), I don't have to actually need scans.
I think the same poster said we don't need to use feats in this thread either?
Its so confusing, flipping one way, then the other.
If Thor can BFR someone who is bloodlusted and using his speed, I'd give him 10/10.
You forget, carver, when it came to choosing one power, I chose a Marvel character, who could BFR (Spot).
Not sure why you're turning this into Marvel vs DC, lol. I pick characters like Shadowcat, Magik, Pixie, Blink etc. All Marvel.
Make a thread. Manifold vs Superman, equalised speed, no flight. Let's see who I pick!
meh, spidey would certainly sense a door opening and likely know the general area it is going to open in, at least in some cases. it would depend on whether you believe his spider sense and reflexes would allow him time to avoid a door. i'm also not sold that his using the doors in the way you're describing is in character. if it is, well, he'd beat guys like hulk and thor 10/10. thor would throw his hammer and it would disappear, or even have his axe bfr'd before being beheaded. neither would survive beheading. he could even conceivably kill superman if he didn't blitz since it's possible his computer could predict a non-blitz and he could just open a door and straight bfr kal or just bfr his body in half. when the majority of people think of midnighter, they don't think of doors. /shrug
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh a wiser poster than me claimed that since Surfer threatened Glads, even though he never actually did it (just threatened), I don't have to actually need scans.I think the same poster said we don't need to use feats in this thread either?
Its so confusing, flipping one way, then the other.
If Thor can BFR someone who is bloodlusted and using his speed, I'd give him 10/10.
What wiser poster claimed this? You debated pages on statements not being valid. I want to see limbs separating. Remember, per Darksaint who also posted a quote from me saying the same thing...on KMC, we don't accept what she/he said, we want to see the showing happening. Unless you concede the argument you was having with Goober?
I didn't ask if they were bloodlusted. So you admit Thor beats Pre Crisis Superman 10/10? Thor does have more than 1 showing proving he can bfr.
Originally posted by leonidas
meh, spidey would certainly sense a door opening and likely know the general area it is going to open in, at least in some cases. it would depend on whether you believe his spider sense and reflexes would allow him time to avoid a door. i'm also not sold that his using the doors in the way you're describing is in character. if it is, well, he'd beat guys like hulk and thor 10/10. thor would throw his hammer and it would disappear, or even have his axe bfr'd before being beheaded. neither would survive beheading. he could even conceivably kill superman if he didn't blitz since it's possible his computer could predict a non-blitz and he could just open a door and straight bfr kal or just bfr his body in half. when the majority of people think of midnighter, they don't think of doors. /shrug
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I don't think doors will make a difference. The bigger the threat the more active and direct the spider sense. There was a spidey comic I think during the clone saga where Parker wanted to commit suicide and jumped off a rooftop. His spider sense caused his arm to reach out and stick to the wall of a building. Besides Spideys faced nightcrawler and spot whose abilities are like door with relative ease.
Originally posted by Scarlet315
I don't think doors will make a difference. The bigger the threat the more active and direct the spider sense. There was a spidey comic I think during the clone saga where Parker wanted to commit suicide and jumped off a rooftop. His spider sense caused his arm to reach out and stick to the wall of a building. Besides Spideys faced nightcrawler and spot whose abilities are like door with relative ease.
Nightcrawler was able to surprise Spidey and take him down. Doors would do the same. Especially since Midnighter can open up a ton of them.
Originally posted by carver9
What wiser poster claimed this? You debated pages on statements not being valid. I want to see limbs separating. Remember, per Darksaint who also posted a quote from me saying the same thing...on KMC, we don't accept what she/he said, we want to see the showing happening. Unless you concede the argument you was having with Goober?I didn't ask if they were bloodlusted. So you admit Thor beats Pre Crisis Superman 10/10? Thor does have more than 1 showing proving he can bfr.
So you ARE conceding the Surfer statement with Glads, then? Or are you flipflopping to suit your argument?
IF statements are as valid as feats (which I originally did not think they were), then Surfer's statement holds as much weight as Midnighter's. I even made reference to Surfer, when posting the Midnighter statement:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carver, if someone threatens to do something without actually doing it (like Surfer did with Gladiator), would you accept it?
You never replied to that question.
Moreover, OP has specified feats are not allowed:
Originally posted by carver9
There's no competition at all if you did a ft war between the two. With hat said, let's focus on other things than that.
Are you conceding? I mean, you SPECIFICALLY said let's NOT focus on feats, lol.
And I asked, can Thor open portals faster than a speeding Pre Crisis Superman? I can't answer your question, when you keep changing things and moving goalposts - first you never specified BFR, then you say feats aren't allowed, then now you're saying you WANT feats....I mean, how am I supposed to give you a straight answer, when you can't even ask a straight question?
Originally posted by Zack M
Nightcrawler was able to surprise Spidey and take him down. Doors would do the same. Especially since Midnighter can open up a ton of them.
for each one like that, i could show something like this:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/3853/1265341-scannedimage_2.jpg
dodging friggin ironfist without being able to see him attacking (ie relying PURELY on spider sense) is damn impressive. hell, he does better against fist in the dark. sneer
doors could def work. i don't think they are auto wins though. spidey has some spider sense feats and speed feats to say he could avoid them. i think without the doors in a forum setting though, pete takes a very solid majority.
Originally posted by Zack M
Nightcrawler was able to surprise Spidey and take him down. Doors would do the same. Especially since Midnighter can open up a ton of them.
An argument can be made here being that nightcrawler wasn't trying to maim or cut off any of his limbs. And Spidey did get the warning ahead of time. There are scans where off the top of my head black car gets the jump on him b/c she wasn't being a threat but playful
Originally posted by Scarlet315
I don't think doors will make a difference. The bigger the threat the more active and direct the spider sense. There was a spidey comic I think during the clone saga where Parker wanted to commit suicide and jumped off a rooftop. His spider sense caused his arm to reach out and stick to the wall of a building. Besides Spideys faced nightcrawler and spot whose abilities are like door with relative ease.
The Spot?
He specifically does not set Spidey's Spider Sense off, because he is not in the same dimension as him.
That's actually the worse example you could've used, lol.
Imagine if Spot didn't just have human level strength/speed....
POW THWOCK WOCK CHOCK indeed.
Originally posted by leonidas
for each one like that, i could show something like this:http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/3853/1265341-scannedimage_2.jpg
dodging friggin ironfist without being able to see him attacking (ie relying PURELY on spider sense) is damn impressive. hell, he does better against fist in the dark. sneer
Spot also made Spidey look like a fool with his teleportation, too. Midnighter has tagged a bloodlusted speedster (Who is almost as fast as the Flash), which is BETTER than that Iron Fist feat. Now match that feat!
Originally posted by leonidas
for each one like that, i could show something like this:http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/3853/1265341-scannedimage_2.jpg
dodging friggin ironfist without being able to see him attacking (ie relying PURELY on spider sense) is damn impressive. hell, he does better against fist in the dark. sneer
doors could def work. i don't think they are auto wins though. spidey has some spider sense feats and speed feats to say he could avoid them. i think without the doors in a forum setting though, pete takes a very solid majority.
Wow that SS feat against iron fist is a good example of what I'm talking about. I'm not knocking midnight and some of his feats do match and maybe even cancel Spideys out but the SS packed with his other superhuman abilities nails it.
