Ranking Kanan and Ezra

Originally posted by Beniboybling
He only articulated those intentions - to my knowledge - after Maul's death though, nor did it stop him from attempting to train Marek, Anakin and Luke to surpass him.

According to what? If you're referring to BoS, then he mentions Maul, Tyranus and Vader by name as beings not intended to succeed him, and each having limited use.

He actually says that he didn't want Anakin to succeed him, although he did plan for Anakin to be more powerful (strange), and where does he say Marek or Luke were intended to surpass him? He wanted Luke to be his enforcer as he became omnipotent, and he says Marek could've been his equal?

Originally posted by SunRazer
According to what? If you're referring to BoS, then he mentions Maul, Tyranus and Vader by name as beings not intended to succeed him, and each having limited use.

He actually says that he didn't want Anakin to succeed him, although he did plan for Anakin to be more powerful (strange)

and where does he say Marek or Luke were intended to surpass him? He wanted Luke to be his enforcer as he became omnipotent, and he says Marek could've been his equal?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
He makes some comments about Maul that are frankly inaccurate tbh, if not retconned. And of course were written with 20 years remove. But yes, I'm referring to BoS. I'm not aware of an earlier source.

Also, what retcons BoS in regards to Maul?

There's JvS, which states that he foresaw Maul's death and made no effort to warn him because he was expendable. But that's retconned.

Source?

Well, BoS suggests as much, but I'll find some more specific quotes.

He recognised Luke as what Anakin could become: his better, and he says of Marek: "You had such promise. You could have been my successor. My equal."

He recognized that Luke could destroy him. He explicitly wants Luke to rule with him as his Hand, not succeed him, as of DE.

As for Marek, he was really just lamenting what had been lost. I don't believe it means he actually wanted Marek to be his successor (that was by the time that he planned on being omnipotent), just that he wielded enough power to be able to become that - had Palpatine wanted it, which I doubt he would've.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Regarding Ezra and Kanan. They're solid Jedi probably in the top 10 in canon.

Doubt it:

1. Luke
2. Yoda
3. Anakin
4. Mace
5. Jedi Dooku
6. Kenobi
7. Vos
8/9/10 Qui-Gon/Kit Fisto/Plo Koon

Then when we add all the other Council Member and renowned Jedi swordsmen, they wouldn't even make the top 20 in Canon, and that's just from the names we know of.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Also, what retcons BoS in regards to Maul?

That said I think that predates BoS, in which case its just inaccurate, or Palpatine is attempting to downplay a failed apprentice.

There's JvS, which states that he foresaw Maul's death and made no effort to warn him because he was expendable. But that's retconned.

Well, BoS suggests as much, but I'll find some more specific quotes.

He recognized that Luke could destroy him. He explicitly wants Luke to rule with him as his Hand, not succeed him, as of DE.

As for Marek, he was really just lamenting what had been lost. I don't believe it means he actually wanted Marek to be his successor (that was by the time that he planned on being omnipotent), just that he wielded enough power to be able to become that - had Palpatine wanted it, which I doubt he would've.

In fact, if we consider those Sidious attempted to make his right hand (without alterior motive) Maul - out of Anakin, Luke, Marek and seemingly Talzin - is the odd one out, despite having been Palpatine's first choice. Why would he lower his standards in this case, unless Maul was of the same stock?

This was not the intention of this thread...although I did kind of started it

Kanan and Ezra should be noticeably better than your average Jedi Knight during the Clone Wars, probably. Kanan may be above some Masters.

(They're definitely both above Halsey, though, tbh).

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Well we appear to be debating a meaningless distinction here, whether or not Sidious wanted a successor or not, the fact remains that he attempted to apprentice beings that could succeed him, if not sought them out.

In fact, if we consider those Sidious attempted to make his right hand (without alterior motive) Maul - out of Anakin, Luke, Marek and seemingly Talzin - is the odd one out, despite having been Palpatine's first choice. Why would he lower his standards in this case, unless Maul was of the same stock?

Because he could find no one better.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Kanan and Ezra should be noticeably better than your average Jedi Knight during the Clone Wars, probably. Kanan may be above some Masters.

(They're definitely both above Halsey, though, tbh).

Any character in partucaler? (Secura, Tano, ...)

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Kanan and Ezra should be noticeably better than your average Jedi Knight during the Clone Wars, probably. Kanan may be above some Masters.

(They're definitely both above Halsey, though, tbh).

Tbh I doubt above Halsey, he only lost due to Savage's insane durability and strength, yet he showed some pretty nice skill, something which neither Kanan or Ezra have shown to replicate, either of them would have gotten stomped just as bad if not worse.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Any character in partucaler? (Secura, Tano, ...)

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Tbh I doubt above Halsey, he only lost due to Savage's insane durability and strength, yet he showed some pretty nice skill, something which neither Kanan or Ezra have shown to replicate, either of them would have gotten stomped just as bad if not worse.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
They're both below S5 Ahsoka, I know that much. But tbh I don't think there are that many comparable Jedi that we know of. In my head-canon Kanan's probably the level of Ima-Gun Di.

How did he show nice skill?

His H2H ability? Certainly above anything Kanan and Ezra shown.

Getting disarmed in literally two seconds and dying 8 seconds later isn't anything I'd put above Kanan or Ezra. Just because his moves looked cool doesn't mean he's actually more capable.

They wouldn't be above him either though, they wouldn't last long against Savage. I mean if you're referring to showings, then...ok yeah they would be since he only has the one scene.

I'd say they at least wouldn't get disarmed in two seconds.

Originally posted by ares834
Because he could find no one better.

He did this well over a decade before the death of his master, violating the Rule of Two.

And without, to our knowledge, conducting any kind of thorough search, or search at all.

So no. 🙁

Originally posted by ares834
Because he could find no one better.

He already had Talzin. But ditched her due to Maul's potential.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Firstly. Ant change your Sig. Its getting sad.

Ant just got roasted by Fated

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Secondly. Regarding Ezra and Kanan. They're solid Jedi probably in the top 10 in canon. But they don't even make top 100 in Legends tbfh

they are scrubs, yeah.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
He already had Talzin. But ditched her due to Maul's potential.

And? As I said, Maul was the best fit at the time. Remember that as a Nightsister, Talzin’s power is somewhat tethered to Dathomir and she would not be as powerful away from the planet so Maul may very well have had a higher potential. Beyond that, there are a myriad other reasons why Palpatine would prefer Maul as an apprentice to Talzin.