US Immigration/Refugee Issue

Originally posted by Surtur
What you said about the homeless is technically true. We do indeed have shelters, but then they are hardly adequate. Remember, we have VA hospitals too and stuff like that. There are facilities in place for both issues that are there to alleviate the problem, but neither of them is anywhere near sufficient enough.

I see homeless people sleeping on the street all the time, even in winter. Why? Some shelters just fill up fast and have no room for more people, others will take in people, but do not allow anyone to spend the night.

Real Americans need help, a lot of people live paycheck to paycheck..and you'd be shocked at the fact some of these people became homeless all because of just one bad week(or even just one bad day).

We are failing our own citizens in a lot of ways. Health care is one(even Obama care) and the other is our education system, which just is atrocious. We're supposed to be the greatest nation and yet we lack quality healthcare and education.

I sympathize with these refugees, but I find it disheartening to see these issues we face and then to just see our government spending funds on refugees.

No no, you're right about everything. Everything you wrote could be something I also wrote as I've said similar, before. Don't forget the hundreds of thousands of children that are not fed in the US, each day. And the thousands of children who are raped because they are sex slaves each day. Can't forget about our children.

Originally posted by dadudemon
And the thousands of children who are raped because they are sex slaves each day. Can't forget about our children.

No. We "Forget" them all the time. Especially in the last 8 years. We FORGOT THEM. HARD!

Originally posted by Surtur
Where are we getting the funds to build this city for the refugees? Or I guess I should rephrase: what other projects would we be taking money away from to fund this?

They can sell all their rocket launchers and IEDs and stuff they won't need any more once they arrive. Sorted.

****ing hell. Look at some of these replies. Has everybody had a sense of humour bypass recently?

Originally posted by jaden101
****ing hell. Look at some of these replies. Has everybody had a sense of humour bypass recently?

Jaden is the only one not laughing...granted most of us at laughing AT HIM but still...

We need to do more for our own first. A crisis, whether we created it or not, will always be around the corner. We will always be shoveling shiit against the tide. We need to help our own in our own country

Originally posted by Raisen
We need to do more for our own first. A crisis, whether we created it or not, will always be around the corner. We will always be shoveling shiit against the tide. We need to help our own in our own country

You realise there's plenty of resources and money to do both?

The problem is that the people with all the money and all the power point at immigrants and refugees (people with no money and no power) and tell poor Americans "they're the reason you don't have any money." and stupid people lap that shit up.

Originally posted by jaden101
You realise there's plenty of resources and money to do both?

The problem is that the people with all the money and all the power point at immigrants and refugees (people with no money and no power) and tell poor Americans "they're the reason you don't have any money." and stupid people lap that shit up.

Always find it funny how it always seems to be the U.S's job to "Care" for everybody else and not the nations where all these "poor refugees" come from.

Especially when most of those countries are Oil Countries. They aint poor they are just more open about not giving a shit about others. Unlike the U.S Left who don't care any more then those nations. They just want to use those "poor refugees" to stack the deck in their favor

True Humanitarians they is..

Originally posted by jaden101
You realise there's plenty of resources and money to do both?

The problem is that the people with all the money and all the power point at immigrants and refugees (people with no money and no power) and tell poor Americans "they're the reason you don't have any money." and stupid people lap that shit up.

Cool story and true. But if we can't squeeze the money where it's being held then we need to prioritize for ourselves first. Gee

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Always find it funny how it always seems to be the U.S's job to "Care" for everybody else and not the nations where all these "poor refugees" come from.

Especially when most of those countries are Oil Countries. They aint poor they are just more open about not giving a shit about others. Unlike the U.S Left who don't care any more then those nations. They just want to use those "poor refugees" to stack the deck in their favor

True Humanitarians they is.. [/B]

Countries that have taken more refugees from the Syrian war than America

Turkey
Lebanon
Jordan
Germany
Greece
Macedonia
Serbia
Iraq
Egypt
Sweden
Canada
Croatia
Algeria
Austria
Netherlands
Denmark
Armenia
Bulgaria

Countries with the most refugees in total

Turkey
Pakistan
Lebanon
Iran
Ethiopia
Jordan
Kenya
Uganda
Chad
Sudan

So you were saying?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/09/judges-deny-trump-travel-ban-enforcement-uphold-order
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/829836231802515457

Originally posted by jaden101
Countries that have taken more refugees from the Syrian war than America

Turkey
Lebanon
Jordan
Germany
Greece
Macedonia
Serbia
Iraq
Egypt
Sweden
Canada
Croatia
Algeria
Austria
Netherlands
Denmark
Armenia
Bulgaria

Countries with the most refugees in total

Turkey
Pakistan
Lebanon
Iran
Ethiopia
Jordan
Kenya
Uganda
Chad
Sudan

So you were saying?

Every single one of those countries is closer than the US. Logistically, they are better choices than the US.

It is actually a "contiguous land" trend that you're noting.

How many Mexicans become refugees of Sweden each year?

How many Mexicans become "refugees" of the US each year?

Exactly.

Originally posted by jaden101
Countries that have taken more refugees from the Syrian war than America

Turkey
Lebanon
Jordan
Germany
Greece
Macedonia
Serbia
Iraq
Egypt
Sweden
Canada
Croatia
Algeria
Austria
Netherlands
Denmark
Armenia
Bulgaria

Countries with the most refugees in total

Turkey
Pakistan
Lebanon
Iran
Ethiopia
Jordan
Kenya
Uganda
Chad
Sudan

So you were saying?

And they are WELCOME to them.

The big lie in the west is Saudia Arabia takes none.

It doesn't consider them as refugees and has taken 2.5 million.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrians_in_Saudi_Arabia

I work with 6 and they are lovely men who all have families.

http://www.opensourceinvestigations.com/syria/gulf-states-response-to-syrian-refugee-crisis-a-myth-debunked/

But racists don't want the truth

Originally posted by dadudemon
Every single one of those countries is closer than the US. Logistically, they are better choices than the US.

It is actually a "contiguous land" trend that you're noting.

How many Mexicans become refugees of Sweden each year?

How many Mexicans become "refugees" of the US each year?

Exactly.

Your comparison is bordering on silly. How about comparing how many refugees the US takes in from all of south America and the island nations which have had their share of natural disasters, wars between government and rebel forces etc plus from the rest of the world compared to the countries on the list. Jordan has a population of less than 10,000,000 yet has taken in over 2,500,000 million refugees. Lebanon has taken in over 1/5 of its population in refugees in comparison the US has taken in less than 0.09% of its population. The US has about 260,000 currently. It still wouldn't make the top 10 despite having the broadest financial shoulder to bear the burden of refugees.

Not forgetting that the US is more responsible for creating refugees than any country on that list with its military interventions in various countries. Installation of weak puppet governments in Iraq and Afghanistan. Badly enacted attempts at nation building etc

The point is that some people have the notion that the US does more for refugees than countries in the region. It doesn't.

Admittedly I haven't looked at how much the US pays to those countries that house refugees.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Every single one of those countries is closer than the US. Logistically, they are better choices than the US.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I feel curious about why you feel this way. A lot of those countries have considerably weaker structure and resources compared to our murrica.

Are you asking why I feel a certain way about a fact?

But I didn't express my feelings. I posted facts. So why are you asking me why I "feel this way"? That doesn't make sense.

It would make more sense to ask, "What do you feel about these facts?" Or "How do you feel about these facts?" And then dive into facts about infrastructure.

And, no, sorry, Sweden is in a better off position to support refugees than the US. Again, these are facts. There are better social systems in place, in Sweden, and their standard of living is higher than the US (shhh, don't tell that to Americans, they think they are the top t*tties in the world). They are in a much better place to accept poor refugees than the US. They are also more politically stable and have far fewer enemies than the US. Safer, more social support systems, almost 0 enemies, and a higher standard of living: better place to go for refugees. 😄

Originally posted by jaden101
Your comparison is bordering on silly. How about comparing how many refugees the US takes in from all of south America and the island nations which have had their share of natural disasters, wars between government and rebel forces etc plus from the rest of the world compared to the countries on the list.

How about no? How about I don't compare that because it is ridiculous to compare that.

How about I just stick to an apples to apples comparison?

How about the fact that the US's population, of over 310 million, has 13.3% immigrants? How about that?

http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested-statistics-immigrants-and-immigration-united-states

How about Sweden's immigrant population being 15%? How about that?

It is comparable/similar. So let's stop pretending that the US is some sort of evil foreign people fearing nation. 🙂

The US Defines and accepts "refugee status" far far more strictly than these other nations. It is not an apples to apples comparison. It is a ridiculous comparison. They aren't the same numbers. Places like Sweden treat "refugees" more like we treat "immigrants."

We still take in a larger number of immigrants than any of those countries at 42 million. 😐