US Immigration/Refugee Issue

Originally posted by dadudemon
How about no? How about I don't compare that because it is ridiculous to compare that.

How about I just stick to an apples to apples comparison?

How about the fact that the US's population, of over 310 million, has 13.3% immigrants? How about that?

http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested-statistics-immigrants-and-immigration-united-states

How about Sweden's immigrant population being 15%? How about that?

It is comparable/similar. So let's stop pretending that the US is some sort of evil foreign people fearing nation. 🙂

The US Defines and accepts "refugee status" far far more strictly than these other nations. It is not an apples to apples comparison. It is a ridiculous comparison. They aren't the same numbers. Places like Sweden treat "refugees" more like we treat "immigrants."

We still take in a larger number of immigrants than any of those countries at 42 million. 😐

So comparing immigrants moving solely for a better chance at finding better paid work to refugees fleeing genocide, persecution and natural disasters is comparing apples to apples but comparing refugees to refugees is "ridiculous"?

If you say so.

Nice strawman with the "evil foreign people hating nation" given that I never said anything of the sort and was correcting fly who said

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Always find it funny how it always seems to be the U.S's job to "Care" for everybody else and not the nations where all these "poor refugees" come from.
. [/B]

Originally posted by jaden101
So comparing immigrants moving solely for a better chance at finding better paid work to refugees fleeing genocide, persecution and natural disasters is comparing apples to apples but comparing refugees to refugees is "ridiculous"?

If you say so.

Nice strawman with the "evil foreign people hating nation" given that I never said anything of the sort and was correcting fly who said

Yeah. Why should they stat and try to fix their counties problems instead of moving and fudging up some other country by bringing the same problems with them.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Yeah. Why should they stat and try to fix their counties problems instead of moving and fudging up some other country by bringing the same problems with them. [/B]

God forbid eh?

Don't want refugees? Stop creating refugees!

Originally posted by dadudemon
Are you asking why I feel a certain way about a fact?

But I didn't express my feelings. I posted facts. So why are you asking me why I "feel this way"? That doesn't make sense.

It would make more sense to ask, "What do you feel about these facts?" Or "How do you feel about these facts?" And then dive into facts about infrastructure.

And, no, sorry, Sweden is in a better off position to support refugees than the US. Again, these are facts. There are better social systems in place, in Sweden, and their standard of living is higher than the US (shhh, don't tell that to Americans, they think they are the top t*tties in the world). They are in a much better place to accept poor refugees than the US. They are also more politically stable and have far fewer enemies than the US. Safer, more social support systems, almost 0 enemies, and a higher standard of living: better place to go for refugees. 😄

I guess all refugees from everywhere should be sent to Sweden from now on. To astnerd's penthouse, specifically.

Originally posted by dadudemon
So I see two points with the American Left that contradicts itself:

1. They make fun of conservatives because they are pro-life but then don't do anything about the babies once they are born. They don't adopt those babies and invite them to their homes after they are born.

2. But at the same time, they are guilty of the same. They want to invite all of these immigrants to the US but none of them want to adopt those immigrants and invite them to their homes once they are here.

At least American conservatives are consistent in that they don't give a shit about babies once they are born and they don't give a shit about immigrants once they are here. 😐

But we already knew that American Liberals are a bunch of hypocritical self-righteous whiners and that American Conservatives were a bunch of callused assholes. 😐

Originally posted by jaden101

God forbid eh?

Don't want refugees? Stop creating refugees!

That's a main problem with many Americans, especially self described Conservatives/Republicans, they absolutely refuse to acknowledge that American's doings around the world can create these situations.

Originally posted by jaden101
So comparing immigrants moving solely for a better chance at finding better paid work to refugees fleeing genocide, persecution and natural disasters is comparing apples to apples but comparing refugees to refugees is "ridiculous"?

That's a logical fallacy: appeal to emotion. Almost none of them are fleeing genocide. And how many are taking droves of refugees from natural disasters?

And, technically, every female living in a moderate to conservative majority Muslim nation is "persecuted" so they could count as refugees, too, by some definitions.

Originally posted by jaden101
Nice strawman with the "evil foreign people hating nation" given that I never said anything of the sort and was correcting fly who said

The criticism is of the US supposedly keeping its doors shut to refugees based on the definitions other nations are used for refugees which is just not a fair comparison. It isn't a strawman because you're trying to paint the picture of the US being heartless and having closed doors to refugees when that isn't the case at all. It is far more accurate to just compare immigrants, which refugees are, than just a pure refugee number.

The US: tens of millions of people are here from other nations. We are such a benevolent and inviting nation, aren't we? 😄

Originally posted by jaden101

God forbid eh?

Don't want refugees? Stop creating refugees!

Here's a better and more recent picture of Baghdad (2016):

Here's another one from Republic Street:

Looks pretty good, right?

But, yes, I agree with you. The US needs to really STOP with creating refugees with our stupid wars.

Originally posted by Robtard
That's a main problem with many Americans, especially self described Conservatives/Republicans, they absolutely refuse to acknowledge that American's doings around the world can create these situations.

Do you consider Obama to be a Conservative/Republican with his warmongering actions?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Here's a better and more recent picture of Baghdad (2016):

Here's another one from Republic Street:

Looks pretty good, right?

But, yes, I agree with you. The US needs to really STOP with creating refugees with our stupid wars.

Amazing what can happen after us lot **** off eh? 😂 they'd get on a lot quicker if we actually paid for their oil though 😁

It looks good, but holy shit that is a lot of people in the street in that second picture.

Anyways, you can pretty much blame the Military Industrial Complex for this and our constant need to be engaged in some sort of conflict. Which funny enough the term was coined(or became more popular) during a warning given by the guy who helped create it in the first place(Eisenhower).

Originally posted by Surtur
It looks good, but holy shit that is a lot of people in the street in that second picture.

Look how they go all the way back. All those people. And they love us. They love our country. But they hate AMERICA. GET SMART. #MAGA

Where is he? Stand up. Beautiful, great people. We shouldnta gone in. We shouldnta got out.

Originally posted by jaden101
Look how they go all the way back. All those people. And they love us. They love our country. But they hate AMERICA. GET SMART. #MAGA

Where is he? Stand up. Beautiful, great people. We shouldnta gone in. We shouldnta got out.

I too am high right now.

I wish I was

I wish you were to. You aint no fun when you aint.

You wouldn't recognize fun even if you got fox news-clickbaited into it.

Originally posted by jaden101
Look how they go all the way back. All those people. And they love us. They love our country. But they hate AMERICA. GET SMART. #MAGA

Where is he? Stand up. Beautiful, great people. We shouldnta gone in. We shouldnta got out.

That is why we should stop the Immigrants from coming here. THIS PLACE SUCKS!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
You wouldn't recognize fun even if you got fox news-clickbaited into it.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
You wouldn't recognize fun even if you got fox news-clickbaited into it.

That's a pretty strong insult. Maybe too much. That kind of insulting power should not be held by just one person.

So what about these recent surges in ICE raids? Even though they are claiming they aren't surges. Also it seems like 90% of those getting arrested and deported are illegals who committed crimes here in addition to just being illegal.

I'm sure some have heard the story of the 35 yr. old mother of two who was deported? Thing is, she was a convicted felon. Not for a violent crime, but a convicted felon nonetheless.

Originally posted by Surtur
So what about these recent surges in ICE raids? Even though they are claiming they aren't surges. Also it seems like 90% of those getting arrested and deported are illegals who committed crimes here in addition to just being illegal.

I'm sure some have heard the story of the 35 yr. old mother of two who was deported? Thing is, she was a convicted felon. Not for a violent crime, but a convicted felon nonetheless.

Well...it is tough for me to argue against that but since I am a virtue ethicist and not a deontologist, I'd prefer positively contributing members of society be given immediate permanent residency. Millions, all at once. But that would probably get me strung up and beaten by many Oklahomans.