Originally posted by Surtur
Is it WRONG to do it? No. Do I believe they are all mentally ill? No. Do I believe mental illness can indeed lead to someone who feels they are female even though they are male? Yes.If I was anti trans, I would say they don't even have a right to be trans.
Okay, all fair points and I don't think that even an argumentative person from the Trans community would disagree with you.
Originally posted by Surtur
Mostly I just don't want tax payer money spent on sex re-assignment though(for now mostly it is not). If they gotta be trans, be trans via their own dollaz.
On this topic, I'm conflicted. I am open to arguments for supporting tax payer money going towards transitions.
Pay $20k to $50k over 2-4 years in tax payer money vs. losing $1.2 million in taxes collected and economic contributions from a happy productive member of society? I like to look at the big picture and happy functioning taxpayers put more into the economy than depressed or suicidal ones.
So I do see a good argument for paying for some transitions that have Medical Intervention involved.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Okay, all fair points and I don't think that even an argumentative person from the Trans community would disagree with you.On this topic, I'm conflicted. I am open to arguments for supporting tax payer money going towards transitions.
Pay $20k to $50k over 2-4 years in tax payer money vs. losing $1.2 million in taxes collected and economic contributions from a happy productive member of society? I like to look at the big picture and happy functioning taxpayers put more into the economy than depressed or suicidal ones.
So I do see a good argument for paying for some transitions that have Medical Intervention involved.
Yeah, but then couldn't a chick say she has small boobies and is depressed over it? This legit happens. Point is, does she get implants via the tax payers?
Originally posted by Surtur
Yeah, but then couldn't a chick say she has small boobies and is depressed over it? This legit happens. Point is, does she get implants via the tax payers?
If they are clearly lopsided, sure! She can pass that off as a medical problem and it is covered under medical stuff.
Same thing with breast reductions. My aunt got breast reduction surgery and it was covered as medically necessary. Her back and neck had problems.
But small boobs? I don't see that flying. There is no entry in DSM-V about small-breast-disorder like there is for some kinds of Transgenderism situations.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
**** no. If the standard of consent is that children cannot legitimately consent to sexual behavior, then they shouldn't be allowed to consent to genital mutilation.If you cannot legally consent to an adult fondling you, then you shouldn't be able to legally consent to an adult surgically altering your genetalia.
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Originally posted by dadudemon
Are you anti-Trans? I can help you answer that question: do you think someone who is transgender is severely mentally ill and that people who transition are wrong to go against their biological sex?
Originally posted by Surtur
If calling someone the wrong pronoun on purpose causes that much trauma that just backs up my "transgenders are mentally ill" line of thought.
Originally posted by Surtur
Yes, though I do not know anyone who has actually gotten the surgery. Thankfully this state hasn't gone that insane yet.But whether or not you even know a trans person doesn't change the fact there is no actual cure for this.
It's not being an ******* to not want to pay for their sex change, they flat out don't deserve it and I'm glad at least it's just one crazy state doing it.
I empathize with them because I think they are mentally ill. I'm not saying round them up and put them in a camp, just have them pay for their own sex changes. I think it's a crazy world if you're a dick because you want someone to pay for their own sex change.
Don't pay any heed to Surtur's attempts to make his viewpoints on trans people seem less offensive, or whatever he's doing. He has often used "mentally ill" as a shorthand for "trans people". Which is weird, since "mentally ill" could mean much more than trans.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Don't pay any heed to Surtur's attempts to make his viewpoints on trans people seem less offensive, or whatever he's doing. He has often used "mentally ill" as a shorthand for "trans people". Which is weird, since "mentally ill" could mean much more than trans.
Yes, I do remember some of his other more incendiary posts against the Trans community and that was why I wasn't giving him any mulligans in my lengthy reply. I also allow people to change their position or have a calm discussion that is not so full of hyperbole.
Originally posted by DeadlineSo are you a troll, or just extremely stupid? I haven't interacted with you much so I'm having a little trouble getting a read on you.
The answer is no obviously, this is child abuse and the people pushing want this to happen because they want to abuse children. Again, psychotic liberals.
Originally posted by NemeBro
So are you a troll, or just extremely stupid? I haven't interacted with you much so I'm having a little trouble getting a read on you.
So you think it is mentally health to encourage people to get surgeries that cut off and reshape parts of their bodies and then have to take chemicals and medicines to artificially induce a false sense of feeling in themselves?
Originally posted by FlyattractorNo I don't, but then "mentally health" isn't a valid combination of words because "mentally" is an adverb, and an adverb modifies the meaning of an adjective, so it would be impossible for me to think that without being a stupid moron.
[b]So you think it is mentally health to encourage people to get surgeries that cut off and reshape parts of their bodies and then have to take chemicals and medicines to artificially induce a false sense of feeling in themselves? [/B]
But no, I don't think sexual reassignment surgery should be performed on children in any circumstance.
Excellent arguments by both sides.
Kids aren't adults, they are not mature enough to know the consequences of their own decisions. They aren't allowed to vote, go to stripbars and nightclubs alone, or even travel on their own. So why give them the freedom to undergo SRS, knowing full well that they may regret it someday? Wait until they reach 18, then let them decide what they want to do with their own bodies. They can be pornstars if they wanted; Nobody has the right to prevent them to alter their physical or mental ideals as fully-grown adults.