Should we let children transition? A transgender thread.

Originally posted by NemeBro
No I don't, but then "mentally health" isn't a valid combination of words because "mentally" is an adverb, and an adverb modifies the meaning of an adjective, so it would be impossible for me to think that without being a stupid moron.

But no, I don't think sexual reassignment surgery should be performed on children in any circumstance.

No, for ****'s sake. They're children, and they aren't mature enough to make such life-altering decisions for themselves.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
No, for ****'s sake. They're children, and they aren't mature enough to make such life-altering decisions for themselves.

Yeah well if you think that you're probably going to be disturbed by this:

YouTube video

So surgery should absolutely be off the table, if a child can't consent to sex then they can't consent to genital mutilation.

As for the so often touted and proposed hormone therapy, that's a shit idea too. Psychological studies indicate that most children with gender dysphoria do not remain gender dysphoric by the age of 18. Considering the identity struggle transgender people go through and the high suicide rate of transgender people, then if a given child with gender dysphoria is statistically likely to settle into the gender of their biological sex by the time they're adults then it would be honestly cruel to obfuscate that development by pumping a bunch of hormones into their body.

Let us put some numbers to it, the suicide rate of what is supposed to be the most oppressed race in this country(blacks) is like 5.

The transgender suicide rate is 40.

Oh yeah and here's the relevant psychological studies for most gender dysphoric children settling into their birth sex:
http://psycnet.apa.org/?&fa=main.doiLanding&doi=10.1037/0012-1649.44.1.34
http://dx.doi.org/10.1097/CHI.0b013e31818956b9

In the UK, underaged kids can get psychotherapy, counselling and hormonal suppressors, then by age 17, are able to receive more permanent treatments i.e. hormone replacement therapy and gender reassignment surgery. Given all the arguments that have been raised in this thread, this seems to be the best policy. 👆

Psychotherapy and counselling absolutely, hormone suppression no.

The hormonal and developmental process of a child should not be obstructed when the process of puberty is involved in the majority of gender dysphoric children settling into their birth gender.

Right and what about those who don't?

If it's too early to tell what the unobstructed outcome will be, then it's too early to **** with their hormones and developmental processes.

If they end up not settling into their birth gender, then it's time for the treatment if that's what they choose to do.

At the cost of subjecting them to potentially life-threatening trauma by denying them proven to be effective treatment, yeah.

There may be some truth in what you claim (provided you can back it up with evidence) but cruelty in reality would be refusing treatment when it could result in serious and life-saving improvements to the patient's well-being. I don't see an argument for the state having a right to deny medical treatment to trans minors to be honest considering those potential benefits.

I did I linked the psychological studies. Children resolving their gender dysphoria is generally linked with puberty, but if you want to retard their biological and hormonal development then feel free to hold that position just don't expect me to agree with it.

Right, I never once said you are not entitled to your opinion on the matter, and if you ever have a child that ends up identifying as trans, you should retain that right. 👆

What I said is that when it concerns treatment that could have potentially life-saving implications for the patient (and at the very least spare them from serious life-impacting trauma) the state has no right to intervene in the decision, and should butt out.

Nonetheless spotted those links (my bad for missing them), and I have to say the results are rather sketchy, at least for the narrative you are pushing.

In the first study they only polled 25 people, which leaves a fairly large margin for error, and in the second study though they polled over twice as much, 30% of the pool didn't report back, and almost a third of those who did still identified as trans! Moreover, the initial polling in both cases took place at a mean age of around 8, both of those studies failing to glean whether or not all those individuals ceased to identify as gender dysphoric by the onset of puberty. Be aware that some of these kids are as young as five. Finally, the second study found that "children with persistent GID are characterized by more extreme gender dysphoria in childhood than children with desisting gender dysphoria" - so your claim that "it's too early to tell" pre-puberty doesn't appear to hold water.

Certainly parents should be made aware of these facts, but it's certainly not sufficient grounds to deny treatment altogether.

I fail to see the benefit at humoring mass delusion.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
I fail to see the benefit at humoring mass delusion.

Some peoples feelings might be hurt by pointing out they are delusional. Sparing those hurt feelings seem to be the only benefit.

Meanwhile the suicide rate is at 40, but shh just blame society.

Oh Surt, your barely concealed disgust for the trans community is showing again. 😂

I don't really see how this is an issue...It isn't like you need an OPERATION to change your sex when all you really need is just the POWER OF

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Oh Surt, your barely concealed disgust for the trans community is showing again. 😂

Okie dokie, you've done your whole "try to deflect from any argument by suggesting this person hates all trans people" thing. Was there anything else you wanted to try today? Perhaps try something that actually works this time.

Given you're too much of a pussy to argue what you truly believe in not sure what "argument" you're referring to. 🙁

Oh it's the whole "these folk are mentally ill look at their rate of suicide" thing.