Originally posted by h1a8
If we take the key feat as her strength level then she can clearly hit with millions of tons of force or more.Since you don't know how to quantify bi-frost level then you can't say that she can't punch with more than bi-frost level.
Since you're too much of a coward to answer my question, I'll answer it for you.
No, Supergirl has never been shown to hit with that level of force.
I'll just leave these here. From Bane vs Winter Soldier. Carry on.
Originally posted by h1a8
All you did was show that the arm is super strength. We all know this. What you haven't shown is it giving more than 4 times more force than Batmans best. Bane no sold a superhuman. Also strength feats doesn't equate to punching feats. Most feats you posted are irrelevant to his striking feats.
Originally posted by h1a8
You missed my point. I wasn't arguing that you can't equate a feat with the representation of a forum character. I was arguing that you can't equate a showing with another showing. Totally different. For example, Supergirl casually lifting 500 million tons doesn't mean she punched someone with that same force (assuming she used all her might).
Also, funny thing is that the first quote there was in response to a post where I mentioned more striking than non-striking feats.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Fixed your link 😛
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Originally posted by h1a8
You missed my point. I wasn't arguing that you can't equate a feat with the representation of a forum character. I was arguing that you can't equate a showing with another showing. Totally different. For example, Supergirl casually lifting 500 million tons doesn't mean she punched someone with that same force (assuming she used all her might).
Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't claim you can use lifting strength to determine striking power. I claimed that striking force is always larger than lifting force.For example, if you can lift 50lb with one hand then we can't determine striking force. But we can say that striking force will be greater than 50lb. This is because the force exertion will be the same but with added initial momentum.
The true definition of force is change of momentum over change in time.
To stop her punch requires both to stop the momentum of the strike and to overpower her pushing strength behind the strike (which is equal to her strength).
Most average untrained females can only generate punches of around 50 psi. Are you telling me that this means they can't lift more than 50 lbs?
In any case, before you respond to this post please respond first to Vault's quotes of your hypocrisy.
Originally posted by h1a8
It takes Thor multiple seconds to generate lightning. When she uses her speed then 1 second would be like an hour or more to her. She would easily hit Thor first and it would be over.
You obviously haven't seen most of Thor's fights. He's called down lightning with single, fast movements multiple times (like his AOE against Loki).
Originally posted by Darth ThorThor doesn't automatically use lightning right off the bat against a single enemy.
No, not fighting in character. She hardly ever hits first, and consistently gets hit by people far slower than Thor.Also Thor doesn't need multiple seconds to fire lightning:
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^ You shouldn't just make things up about characters you're arguing against.
She has super speed and will use it. She has super perception and can see bullets in super slow motion. Her getting tagged by slower enemies is irrelevant as we are using her highest showings as the standard. This contradicts the times she gets tagged, not strike first, not exert millions of tons, etc.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
No, not fighting in character. She hardly ever hits first, and consistently gets hit by people far slower than Thor.Also Thor doesn't need multiple seconds to fire lightning:
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^ You shouldn't just make things up about characters you're arguing against.
You are using a double standard. 99% of the time it takes Thor several seconds to summon lightning. Perhaps that is his weakest lightning or he already charged his hammer before the scene.
If you argue that Thor didn't charge his hammer before the scene then
1. You are using a rare showing as the standard and arguing against Supergirl using speed and perception ability and not striking first (when she has done so several times) is a double standard.
2. How do you explain away all the times he had to charge the hammer with lightning from the sky before shooting it forward?
Originally posted by h1a8
Thor doesn't automatically use lightning right off the bat against a single enemy.She has super speed and will use it. She has super perception and can see bullets in super slow motion. Her getting tagged by slower enemies is irrelevant as we are using her highest showings as the standard. This contradicts the times she gets tagged, not strike first, not exert millions of tons, etc.
Supergirl also doesn't use her superspeed against an enemy right off the bat. In fact, Thor uses his lightning far more often than Supergirl uses her speed..
Originally posted by h1a8She has super speed and will use it. She has super perception and can see bullets in super slow motion. Her getting tagged by slower enemies is irrelevant as we are using her highest showings as the standard. This contradicts the times she gets tagged, not strike first, not exert millions of tons, etc.
They fight in character, so it's not just about best showings.
But by all means, show me SG's best combat showing and let's compare.
Originally posted by h1a8
You are using a double standard. 99% of the time it takes Thor several seconds to summon lightning. Perhaps that is his weakest lightning or he already charged his hammer before the scene.If you argue that Thor didn't charge his hammer before the scene then
1. You are using a rare showing as the standard and arguing against Supergirl using speed and perception ability and not striking first (when she has done so several times) is a double standard.
2. How do you explain away all the times he had to charge the hammer with lightning from the sky before shooting it forward?
The double standard is on you as well, as you're arguing against Thor she will use her speed right from the outset.
However fighting in character even if Thor takes a few seconds to charge up, SG still gets hit.
He presumably charges the hammer for more powerful blows. However his standard discharge should be enough to hurt SG, given her durability showings against Livewire. It also gives him time to charge Lightning, or release torandos, or smack her wig Mjolnir, or whatever he wants.
There are also plenty instances where Thor uses lightning strikes without charging. His AOE attack against Loki in the first Thor movie, his lightning groundslam in his opening fight in Thor:TDW. Even that massive ground breaker he used against the Frost giants didn't show any form of charging his hammer. He basically called down lightning and rammed Mjolnir on the ground. That's not charging. Actually now that I think about it, there are only very few instances where I recall him actively charging a lightning strike.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thor doesn't automatically use lightning right off the bat against a single enemy.She has super speed and will use it. She has super perception and can see bullets in super slow motion. Her getting tagged by slower enemies is irrelevant as we are using her highest showings as the standard. This contradicts the times she gets tagged, not strike first, not exert millions of tons, etc.
It's interesting that you're complaining people are having Thor act OOC, when your entire argument is based on SG fighting OOC.
Do you know what "double standards" mean?
Originally posted by Silent Master
It's interesting that you're complaining people are having Thor act OOC, when your entire argument is based on SG fighting OOC.Do you know what "double standards" mean?
The post was to show the double standard that was already created.
He had Thor fighting in ways he rarely showed and argued against Kara doing the same.
Originally posted by FrothByteFrequency doesn't matter as both rarely use those abilities right off the bat. Supergirlis inconsistent. One moment she is operating at high speed and can see things in super slow motion and in another moment she doesn't have the ability to. But taking SG at her highest then she would view Thor almost frozen.
Supergirl also doesn't use her superspeed against an enemy right off the bat. In fact, Thor uses his lightning far more often than Supergirl uses her speed..
Originally posted by h1a8
The post was to show the double standard that was already created.
He had Thor fighting in ways he rarely showed and argued against Kara doing the same.Frequency doesn't matter as both rarely use those abilities right off the bat. Supergirlis inconsistent. One moment she is operating at high speed and can see things in super slow motion and in another moment she doesn't have the ability to. But taking SG at her highest then she would view Thor almost frozen.
The post clearly showed your double standards.
Originally posted by h1a8
The post was to show the double standard that was already created.
He had Thor fighting in ways he rarely showed and argued against Kara doing the same.Frequency doesn't matter as both rarely use those abilities right off the bat. Supergirlis inconsistent. One moment she is operating at high speed and can see things in super slow motion and in another moment she doesn't have the ability to. But taking SG at her highest then she would view Thor almost frozen.
If we take Supergirl at her highest then we should also take Thor at his highest no?