Originally posted by h1a8
The post was to show the double standard that was already created.
He had Thor fighting in ways he rarely showed and argued against Kara doing the same
Except with Thor it's really not as rare as you make out. But you were against using close to 50% of his showings but in favour of using around 5% of Kara's showings instead.
Originally posted by h1a8Frequency doesn't matter as both rarely use those abilities right off the bat.
Of course frequency matters. That's how we determine what's "in character".
And again, it's really not that "rare" for Thor.
Originally posted by h1a8
But taking SG at her highest then she would view Thor almost frozen.
I don't suppose you have any examples of her doing that for a sustainable amount of time, or whilst attacking at forces which seem to great for Thor to handle? I.e. Combat showings on a level above Thor.
Because we can show Lightning with less output than Thor's putting Kara down
Originally posted by FrothByte
Most average untrained females can only generate punches of around 50 psi. Are you telling me that this means they can't lift more than 50 lbs?In any case, before you respond to this post please respond first to Vault's quotes of your hypocrisy.
Notice how he completely ignored the quotes I posted, where he previously argued that non-striking strength feats are "irrelevant" to striking, even using Supergirl as an example? And then still accuses other people of double-standards.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Notice how he completely ignored the quotes I posted, where he previously argued that non-striking strength feats are "irrelevant" to striking, even using Supergirl as an example? And then still accuses other people of double-standards.
Actually since you've posted that he has completely stopped replying to our ongoing debate regarding strength.
Originally posted by Darth ThorIt's also possible Thor had the hammer charged before the scene.
It was never even a double standard that I used. He said Thor needs a few seconds to fire Lightning. I posted a video proving him wrong. Then he backtracked and said it was rare and he was pointing out my double standard.
Originally posted by FrothByteAgreed! 😄
If we take Supergirl at her highest then we should also take Thor at his highest no?
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I'll just leave these here. From Bane vs Winter Soldier. Carry on.Also, funny thing is that the first quote there was in response to a post where I mentioned more striking than non-striking feats.
In the second post you quoted has nothing to do with anything here. It simply refers to using a feat to define another feat. For example, SG lifting a million tons has nothing to do with how much force she used on someone else in the show. We are arguing using feats to define forum characters, not other feats.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Then using highest feats, Thor can unleash city busting lightning strikes. Something that no other Supergirl character has ever been able to do.Feel free to post Supergirl's highest end striking/offensive feat.
Supergirl can casually lift a million tons. She is fast enough to view Thor frozen. She kills Thor the first microsecond before Thor moves an inch.
Originally posted by h1a8
In this thread we are using a characters highest showings as the standard.
Lifting feats, where a force is exerted by a single arm, can be used to give a lower bound to striking strength (in a forum fight).
This is not what you were arguing when Winter Soldier's metal arm was being discussed. You dismissed any and all non-striking feats as irrelevant.
Originally posted by h1a8
In the second post you quoted has nothing to do with anything here. It simply refers to using a feat to define another feat. For example, SG lifting a million tons has nothing to do with how much force she used on someone else in the show. We are arguing using feats to define forum characters, not other feats.
So, your entire argument is based on Supergirl performing in a manner she has never actually been shown to perform in combat onscreen?
Also, who decided high-end non-combat feats are being used as standards, instead of actual combat feats? I see nothing of the sort in the OP, which sets the rules for the fight. In fact, from what I can recall, you were the one who tried to weasel that stipulation into the thread.
Originally posted by h1a8
City busting strikes? Clips?Supergirl can casually lift a million tons. She is fast enough to view Thor frozen. She kills Thor the first microsecond before Thor moves an inch.
Strike at 3:28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltYa8I16HR0
Now, how bout you post clips of Supergirl being fast enough that she views her opponent as frozen. Post clips of Supergirl killing an opponent as durable as Thor in the first microsecond.
I'm still waiting for you to show a high-end combat feat from Supergirl. You keep mentioning the key feat as if your bench press weight is going to determine whether you win in a fight against a trained fighter or not.
Originally posted by h1a8
It's also possible Thor had the hammer charged before the scene.
The point is that you argued against SG doing something and at the same time argued for Thor doing something (he did once).Agreed! 😄
In this thread we are using a characters highest showings as the standard.
Lifting feats, where a force is exerted by a single arm, can be used to give a lower bound to striking strength (in a forum fight).In the second post you quoted has nothing to do with anything here. It simply refers to using a feat to define another feat. For example, SG lifting a million tons has nothing to do with how much force she used on someone else in the show. We are arguing using feats to define forum characters, not other feats.
Prove that Thor had Mjolnir charged before the scene.
Originally posted by h1a8
It's also possible Thor had the hammer charged before the scene.
You're just making that up.
But even if that were true, it would mean Mjolnir is readily charged most of the time.
Originally posted by h1a8
The point is that you argued against SG doing something and at the same time argued for Thor doing something (he did once).
No, the point is you claimed Thor needs to spend a few seconds charging up his Hammer every time he fires, which clearly isn't true.
Originally posted by Darth ThorThor has shot lightning at a single enemy the first second of the fight without having to charge it from the sky more than once? Really?
^ And Thor's done that more than once Lol.You now need to show us SG speed blitzing beyond Thor's capability to take and/or react to.
Thor wasn't shown with beyond human level reactions or speed. SG is far faster. This is not debatable. You act as if they will fight at similar speeds or something. 😕
Originally posted by Silent Master
Prove that Thor had Mjolnir charged before the scene.
He had to or it would contradict all the times it was shown for him to charge the hammer from the sky before shooting lightning forth. Thus he simply had some charge left in the hammer prior to the scene.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Strike at 3:28https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltYa8I16HR0
Now, how bout you post clips of Supergirl being fast enough that she views her opponent as frozen. Post clips of Supergirl killing an opponent as durable as Thor in the first microsecond.
I'm still waiting for you to show a high-end combat feat from Supergirl. You keep mentioning the key feat as if your bench press weight is going to determine whether you win in a fight against a trained fighter or not.
That is not a city busting strike. Several blocks in radius, short of a mile. But the feat is irrelevant to this fight. That was a ground attack. It will not affect beings who can fly.
I don't have to. It's common sense based off all the times she used super speed. She even matched flash several times.
Strength and speed will ko (or kill) Thor in the first microsecond.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
This is not what you were arguing when Winter Soldier's metal arm was being discussed. You dismissed any and all non-striking feats as irrelevant.So, your entire argument is based on Supergirl performing in a manner she has never actually been shown to perform in combat onscreen?
Also, who decided high-end non-combat feats are being used as standards, instead of actual combat feats? I see nothing of the sort in the OP, which sets the rules for the fight. In fact, from what I can recall, you were the one who tried to weasel that stipulation into the thread.
There was no lifting feats mentioned. If there were then I was wrong. Please use any force exerting feats by WS to prove his minimum striking strength (from the same limb of course).
Your logic that a character can't exert similar forces (or anywhere close) in a combat situation as they do in a non combat situation is asinine. If I can exert 100lb with my arm in a non combat situation then by what logic can't I do the same in a combat situation?
Originally posted by Darth Thor
You're just making that up.But even if that were true, it would mean Mjolnir is readily charged most of the time.
No, the point is you claimed Thor needs to spend a few seconds charging up his Hammer every time he fires, which clearly isn't true.
If you are arguing that characters WILL DO things in a forum fight, things they normally do, then THOR DOES NEED A FEW SECONDS TO SHOOT LIGHTNING. If you are arguing events (however rare) to be what will happen in a forum fight then you are correct, Thor doesn't need a few seconds to fire lightning. But don't argue against the rare things SG has done either. You can't have it both ways.
Originally posted by h1a8
Your logic that a character can't exert similar forces (or anywhere close) in a combat situation as they do in a non combat situation is asinine. If I can exert 100lb in a non combat situation then by what logic can't I do the same in a combat situation?
I said that she never has onscreen. Unless stated otherwise by the OP, CIS is active, and consistent combat showings are used to determine how characters perform in Versus threads. Considering the Flash's high end feats, getting tagged onscreen by non-speedsters is idiotic but, unless it is specified in a thread OP that CIS is off and that he is operating at peak, all those showings where non-speedsters tag him are fully usable in threads. Just like Supergirl's onscreen punches packing way less than a million tons of force is in this one.
If other people want to indulge your peak-as-standard argument, I can't stop them. But as CIS is not disabled in the OP, and there is no mention of peak feats being used as standard, she is operating at the level she consistently does in onscreen fights.