Rank These Characters Based On Strength

Originally posted by NemeBro
Done using his grappling hook, not with his strength. He weighed more than the crate so he let it toss him for him.

Don't think it was too outside the realm of possibility, nor above Bane's one-handed lifting of Batman or his breaking of the mask.

Think that was a vertical suplex chokeslam, which is well-within the realms of possibility, and not nearly as impressive as Bane keeping Batman in the air with one hand on his neck. No human being can manage that IRL.

That wall was made of like quarter inch drywall lol.

Honestly? Not really. I just watched the entire fight, and nothing there really puts him solidly above Bane. No feat is better than lifting a 200+ pound armoured man and holding him up there while walking with him, using a single hand on his neck. Nor does he break something as durable as, say, Batman's mask, by punching it.

Agree with this. Batfleck is a much better martial artist than Bane or anyone in the Nolanverse, but I'm gonna wait until Justice League to gauge whether he is actually stronger than Bane or not.

I really don't like Bane, or any other character from the Nolanverse when it comes to fight scenes. But in this thread I'd have to say Bane does have better strength feats than Batman. Every strength feat Batfleck has is either doable in real life by a really strong person or was assisted in some way by a gadget (physics be damned).

I'd also like to add in my 2 cents that Loki is stronger than MCU Spiderman. When Cap kicked Loki, Loki's durability would have stopped him from getting hurt but the fact that he wasn't knocked back much is a strength feat,not a durability feat. We can give Spiderman Asgardian-level durability but I doubt he can tank a full kick from Cap without at least getting blasted backwards.

Toby and Garfield Spidey is a different matter.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'd also like to add in my 2 cents that Loki is stronger than MCU Spiderman. When Cap kicked Loki, Loki's durability would have stopped him from getting hurt but the fact that he wasn't knocked back much is a strength feat,not a durability feat. We can give Spiderman Asgardian-level durability but I doubt he can tank a full kick from Cap without at least getting blasted backwards.

It is also a durability feat to a degree, considering it's easier to stand your ground against something if it hurts you less to do so. It's a natural instinct to shy away from pain. Also, Loki was knocked back by a repulsor blast, just like Cap, Bucky and Falcon was. So, the knockback showings are contradictory. Plus, using that logic, a metal arm haymaker from Winter Soldier should at least have made him slide back, yet Spidey's arm (or the rest of him) didn't budge at all when he caught the fist. Considering Cap had to use both his legs to overpower Bucky's metal arm in TWS, Spiderman should be able to catch Cap's leg and stop it dead. And Cap only managed to knock Spiderman back when he was either airborne or already off balance. Falcon knocked him back when he slammed into him with both legs, while using his pack for thrust. But similar kicks did the same to Iron Man, and even knocked a helicopter off course and made it start to go into a tailspin.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
It is also a durability feat to a degree, considering it's easier to stand your ground against something if it hurts you less to do so. It's a natural instinct to shy away from pain. Also, Loki was knocked back by a repulsor blast, just like Cap, Bucky and Falcon was. So, the knockback showings are contradictory. Plus, using that logic, a metal arm haymaker from Winter Soldier should at least have made him slide back, yet Spidey's arm (or the rest of him) didn't budge at all when he caught the fist. Considering Cap had to use both his legs to overpower Bucky's metal arm in TWS, Spiderman should be able to catch Cap's leg and stop it dead. And Cap only managed to knock Spiderman back when he was either airborne or already off balance. Falcon knocked him back when he slammed into him with both legs, while using his pack for thrust. But similar kicks did the same to Iron Man, and even knocked a helicopter off course and made it start to go into a tailspin.

There's no proof that Cap needed both his legs to overpower Bucky's metal arm. He used both his legs because it's hard to put a leg lock with just one leg.

Catching/blocking someone's hit and not budging is not the same thing as getting hit and not budging. Catching or blocking a hit (like Spidey did to WS) implies that you are ready for the hit and are able to exert effort of your own to counter it. Actually getting hit implies that the hit slipped under your defenses and you are not in the best position to counter it.

And Cap getting knocked back by a repulsor ray like Loki did has nothing to do with this, since we can simply assume IM's repulsor blasts have varying degrees of power/strength basing from it's varying degrees of destructive output.

Originally posted by FrothByte
There's no proof that Cap needed both his legs to overpower Bucky's metal arm. He used both his legs because it's hard to put a leg lock with just one leg.

Catching/blocking someone's hit and not budging is not the same thing as getting hit and not budging. Catching or blocking a hit (like Spidey did to WS) implies that you are ready for the hit and are able to exert effort of your own to counter it. Actually getting hit implies that the hit slipped under your defenses and you are not in the best position to counter it.

And Cap getting knocked back by a repulsor ray like Loki did has nothing to do with this, since we can simply assume IM's repulsor blasts have varying degrees of power/strength basing from it's varying degrees of destructive output.

He has consistently failed to do it with both his arms, the latest example being in Civil War itself.

It doesn't change the fact that Cap never knocked him around while he had firm footing (like Loki did), or that Falcon's kicks packed significant superhuman force. And, besides, you have given only your opinion on what would happen if he got kicked while having Asgardian durability. You have not presented proof of this being the case. Also, combat experience teaches you to ride hits better than if you are a noob, like Spiderman. Loki has been fighting throughout the Nine Realms, against opponents in his own league, for centuries. Whereas Civil War was likely the first fight where Spiderman went up againt anyone other than street thugs.

He knocked several different individuals the same distance with the same attack, and one of them he was outright bloodlusted against, and it was not Loki. If you want to claim he hit Loki with a with different levels of to the others, then you would need to prove it.

Anyway, like I said, I don't really care enough about this discussion to keep dragging it on. Regardless of who is stronger physically (and I think it is close either way), Loki is definitely the more formidable overall opponent of the two at this point, which is what matters more IMO. So, I will leave it at that.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
He has consistently failed to do it with both his arms, the latest example being in Civil War itself.

It doesn't change the fact that Cap never knocked him around while he had firm footing (like Loki did), or that Falcon's kicks packed significant superhuman force. And, besides, you have given only your opinion on what would happen if he got kicked while having Asgardian durability. You have not presented proof of this being the case. Also, combat experience teaches you to ride hits better than if you are a noob, like Spiderman. Loki has been fighting throughout the Nine Realms, against opponents in his own league, for centuries. Whereas Civil War was likely the first fight where Spiderman went up againt anyone other than street thugs.

He knocked several different individuals the same distance with the same attack, and one of them he was outright bloodlusted against, and it was not Loki. If you want to claim he hit Loki with a with different levels of to the others, then you would need to prove it.

Anyway, like I said, I don't really care enough about this discussion to keep dragging it on. Regardless of who is stronger physically (and I think it is close either way), Loki is definitely the more formidable overall opponent of the two at this point, which is what matters more IMO. So, I will leave it at that.

I had a whole bunch of answers ready but it you say you don't care enough about the discussion, I thought I'd just back off.

Originally posted by h1a8
The pillars were actually made of limestone since they used the landmark as a basis for the feat.

Since you want to go the IRL route, IRL the column was made out of drywall/plaster.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Since you want to go the IRL route, IRL the column was made out of drywall/plaster.

Originally posted by h1a8
The intentions were that the columns were the same columns from the actual site. In the scenes before Bane busted the column, we see that the same column is of a different material (it's the true material). It's not until the cutscene where Bane busts the column does the appearance change. This means that they inserted prop material to give the special effect that Bane actually busted through the column.

I don't care about your opinion, either post proof or don't bother responding.

Originally posted by h1a8
The intentions were that the columns were the same columns from the actual site. In the scenes before Bane busted the column, we see that the same column is of a different material (it's the true material). It's not until the cutscene where Bane busts the column does the appearance change. This means that they inserted prop material to give the special effect that Bane actually busted through the column.

False. The intentions were that the columns would be what they were made to look like. If the director wanted them to be pure concrete or marble then they had more than enough budget to make them look like concrete or marble.
Bottom line is that column didn't look like marble/concrete therefore the director's intentions were that it wasn't concrete/marble.

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
Predator
Loki
Luke Cage
Spiderman
Captain America
Bane
Engineer (Prometheus)
Batman (Batman Vs Superman)
Olympics Bench Presser

Otherwise
Loki/Spidey
Schumacher Bane
Cage
Cap/Mech Suit Batman
Batman
Bench Presser
Hardy Bane

Spiderman (Toby, since it's the one I'm most familiar with)
Loki (hanging with Thor could put him above Toby but I've always been of the mind that Thor holds back immensely on his brother in hand to hand)
Captain America
Engineer
Predator
Bane
Batman
Olympic powerlifter

My list:
Loki
Luke Cage~Spider Man
Cap
Engineer/Predator
Bane
Batman
Olympic Bench Presser
I agree on powerscaling Loki should be stronger

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Same Spider-Man who was owned by Captain America, same Cap who looked like a child against Loki?

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Luke and Loki ARE stronger than Cap. Strength feats aren't the only criteria to gauge a persons strength.

Originally posted by NemeBro
By contrast, a Predator was "merely" capable of knocking around Arnie in a physical confrontation.

Originally posted by NemeBro
and nothing there really puts him solidly above Bane. No feat is better than lifting a 200+ pound armoured man and holding him up there while walking with him, using a single hand on his neck. Nor does he break something as durable as, say, Batman's mask, by punching it.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
He literally went from struggling to bend a piece of railing in CA:TFA to out-muscling a helicopter in CA:CW.

I wish people would stop using Civil War fights for comparison and just look at raw strength feats - because in Civil War power levels flip flop between fights, or even within the same fight
For example, in the first Bucky vs Panther fight. Bucky is struggling to hold back Panther's arm with his metal arm but he is able to do the same thing with his normal arm despite his metal arm being supposedly stronger. You could chalk that up to position. Then when they fight again, T'challa with suit pries the metal arm off his throat, and even without the suit, shakes off a punch from the metal arm, ignores a punch from Buck's normal arm and armbars the metal arm. BP also utterly demolishes Bucky in H2H. And Bucky has been shown to be pretty even with Cap with the metal arm being stronger. So we would expect a fight betweet Cap and BP would be in Panther's favor. Then what happens? They grapple equally and Cap beats him down while fending off War Machine
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Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
I don't think Cap struggled to bend the railing in TFA. It wasn't effortless but to me it didn't look strenous either. His much bigger feats like holding up that car in AOU, or lifting that metal beam off Bucky or the helicopter looked strenous, with the latter two appearing to recquire a herculean effort on Cap's part

His face was scrunched up with the effort of trying to bend the railing. He even braced his legs to help him. And the thing was already halfway bent to begin with. Based on later feats, he should have been able to do that extremely easily. Which is the point I was making. He's had a power creep as the films progressed, especially from TWS onward.

The power creep wasn't that huge in TWS. I actually argued with a guy at Reddit that most things Cap did in TWS looks doable when you carefully observe his TFA and MTA feats

The power creep wasn't that huge in TWS. I actually argued with a guy at Reddit that most things Cap did in TWS looks doable when you carefully observe his TFA and MTA feats. The real jump was in AOU.