How the hell can Superman beat Silver Surfer?

Originally posted by Philosophía
Enforced implies I wanted to silence you or your actions to have consequences.

This was us having a discussion in which you were wrong, and asking an objective opinion on the topic from a mod to chime in. You agreed, and once you got it, not going your way, you went all 'waaaah you're trying to silence me! oppression! SJW".

Stop playing the victim.

Next thing you'll tell me gender is a social construct [joke, btw]

Originally posted by Philosophía
Side effect is defined as secondary to the primary intent. If the intent of the action is to reduce depression [or to create a blackhole, or to punch you in the face], then reducing depression is the direct effect [or creating a black hole, or getting your face punched]. If the intent of my action isn't to have the patient lose weight [or having your girlfriend cry], it's called a side effect.

side effect is an effect, whether therapeutic or adverse, that is [b]secondary to the one intended;

What Surfer intended is to create a blackhole. There's nothing secondary about it.

Should we get a mod to rule on this stupid thing you can't understand?

It's not a side effect, and you don't know what that word means.

If I splash water on my face with the intent to clean it, my face being clean isn't the side effect.

How many example must I give you before you get it? [/B]

Now maybe when you talked to him you simply asked him for his opinion rather than a ruling on the matter, but what you led me to believe was that you were trying to get him to say that the phrase couldn't be used as a matter of law.

And because of that, I have no reason to be upset with what Pr said. To go back to my earlier example of "muslim aggression" and the SJW, if when the cop got there he said that he didn't personally like the phrase but I wasn't breaking any laws by using it I would have no real reason to be upset. After all, I was never trying to get him to force the SJW to use the phrase.

Originally posted by darthgoober
No you were very specifically seeking to get a Mod RULING, not a mods opinion. At least that's what you told me here...

Now maybe when you talked to him you simply asked him for his opinion rather than a ruling on the matter, but what you led me to believe was that you were trying to get him to say that the phrase couldn't be used as a matter of law.

And because of that, I have no reason to be upset with what Pr said. To go back to my earlier example of "muslim aggression" and the SJW, if when the cop got there he said that he didn't personally like the phrase but I wasn't breaking any laws by using it I would have no real reason to be upset. After all, I was never trying to get him to force the SJW to use the phrase.

A mod can't get you to not use a certain expression, no matter how wrong it is. In this context, mod-ruling is synonymous with 'judge' of the discussion, not 'enforcer'. What is this, China?

You can go on calling it side-effect, and nobody is stopping you. Many people on the forum go on saying the same things they've been saying for half a decade, after being corrected dozens of times, people call them stupid, and they move on - there is no enforcing.

Like I said - stop playing the oppressed victim that I'm trying to silence.

You're quite literally wasting my time. Have the last word, if it helps your wounded ego.

I'm bumping this, because it got lost in the bullshit.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
There's no doubt that the inter-Kryptonian power hierarchy at DC is riddled with inconsistencies.

Originally posted by Philosophía
A mod can't get you to not use a certain expression, no matter how wrong it is. In this context, mod-ruling is synonymous with 'judge' of the discussion, not 'enforcer'. What is this, China?

You can go on calling it side-effect, and nobody is stopping you. Many people on the forum go on saying the same things they've been saying for half a decade, after being corrected dozens of times, people call them stupid, and they move on - there is no enforcing.

Like I said - stop playing the oppressed victim that I'm trying to silence.

You're quite literally wasting my time. Have the last word, if it helps your wounded ego.

And I'm not playing the victim. Pr expressed confusion over why the issue even mattered and I gave him my assessment of the situation as it appeared from my perspective. I honestly don't know why you've turned that assessment into yet another thing to argue about. It's honestly as irrelevant a thing to turn into a fight as usage of the phrase "side effect" was in the first place.

Originally posted by RadZoa
How can a bloodlusted Superman beat a bloodlusted Silver Surfer?

He cant 🙂

Originally posted by darthgoober
I already told you exactly what I see, what aren't you getting about it?

That's just nonsense. There are no speed lines going outwards.

Later we see the debris falling in the black hole as well.

And it was never stated as an explosion.

I didn't say anything about the destruction of the planet, I said that Surfer's energy overpowered Morg's and KO'd him.

Another nonsense. It's never shown that he overpowered Morg. Just that combined power of the energy koed Morg.

Originally posted by Naija boy
He cant 🙂

Maybe not to the version of Surfer that Surfer fanboys masturbate but to claim he simply can't?

He can literally erase him from existence with a single word. Try your kryptonite, red sun and whatever nonsense but claiming he can't beat Silver Eunuch?

Sheer nonsense.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah but don't forget, by the time COIE happened, in general pre crisis Kryptonians had already lost a lot of their bluster. DC had been scailing back Supes powers for a while even before they rebooted the universe. That's not to say that they weren't still impressive, just that they weren't near the hight of their power. I mean don't forget, Post Crisis Powergirl was technically a Pre Crisis Kryptonian.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah but don't forget, by the time COIE happened, in general pre crisis Kryptonians had already lost a lot of their bluster. DC had been scailing back Supes powers for a while even before they rebooted the universe. That's not to say that they weren't still impressive, just that they weren't near the hight of their power. I mean don't forget, Post Crisis Powergirl was technically a Pre Crisis Kryptonian.

"With a punch that could shatter stars".

Guess who stalemated that same version of Superman while bloodlusted?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Seriously? This is how COIE literally ended.

"With a punch that could shatter stars".

Guess who stalemated that same version of Superman while bloodlusted?

Originally posted by panthergod
No she wasn't. She was retconned into being an Atlantean post Crisis and then was futher weakened. After getting surgery iirc. She only slowly regained Kryptonian power levels in Johns JSA, Superman Ending Battle storyline opener by Johns she's effected by Kryptonite, in Superman/Batman #4 by Loeb refers to that Ending Battle instance , and Supergirl 1-5 Loeb storyline while proximity to Post Birthright Kara as art of the Earth 2 reveal culminating in JSA Classified 1-3 and Infinite Crisis with the Return of Kal-L

Superman has survived black holes and held them too. I don't think Surfers blasts are going to do a lot to Superman.
Both are fast, Superman has better reaction feats though. Superman has shown the ability to multitask his powers on multiple occasions.

Superman should win more often than not unless Surfer uses Red sun radiation. Then the fight goes slightly into his favor.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes retconned, but for a time she was officially a Pre Crisis Kryptonian and wasn't exactly portrayed as being close to the level of silver age Supes at the height of his portrayels.

One that I recall and those are direct comparisions to Byrne era Superman are

Pocket Superboy with the pre crisis legion and Andromeda. Maybe also Mon El.

But for sure Pocket Superboy was portrayed as a powerful pre crisis kryptonian and that was a direct comparison to Byrne Superman.

IIRC he was capable of withstand the energies to destroy the pocketverse and still had enough power to time travel before dying.

Pocketverse Superboy was a beast and even so Clark knew that the only way He will lose it will be by Pocket verse killing him.
So even Byrne era Superman on a direct comparision with pocket verse Superboy suggest that the only way a Pre crisis kryptonian will defeat Byrne Superman was only with the use of deadly force.

And this pre crisis kryptonian that was directly compared to Byrne Era Superman was capable to conduct the energies to destroy a pocket verse and still being able to time travel while deadly injured.

That is how powerfull they were exactly at the moment of the direct comparision with Byrne Superman.

Originally posted by panthergod
Why would she? She's from Earth 2. She's Golden Age Kryptonian level. Roughly half as powerful as Earth 1 Kryptonian. And Even Pre Crisis Kryptonians ceased to be s ridiculous in he Bronze Age.

That's my point. People have a tendency to act like any showing that has a Pre Crisis Kryptonian on the other side is automatically uber in nature. I've simply been pointing out that by the time the Crisis rolled around such was not the case. That doesn't mean the showings aren't impressive, they're just not automatically staggering in nature. Mention the words "Pre Crisis Kryptonian" and a lot of people's minds immediately go to Silver Age Supes's best portrayals without acknowledging that fact.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
One that I recall and those are direct comparisions to Byrne era Superman are

Pocket Superboy with the pre crisis legion and Andromeda. Maybe also Mon El.

But for sure Pocket Superboy was portrayed as a powerful pre crisis kryptonian and that was a direct comparison to Byrne Superman.

IIRC he was capable of withstand the energies to destroy the pocketverse and still had enough power to time travel before dying.

Pocketverse Superboy was a beast and even so Clark knew that the only way He will lose it will be by Pocket verse killing him.
So even Byrne era Superman on a direct comparision with pocket verse Superboy suggest that the only way a Pre crisis kryptonian will defeat Byrne Superman was only with the use of deadly force.

And this pre crisis kryptonian that was directly compared to Byrne Era Superman was capable to conduct the energies to destroy a pocket verse and still being able to time travel while deadly injured.

That is how powerfull they were exactly at the moment of the direct comparision with Byrne Superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Seriously? This is how COIE literally ended.

"With a punch that could shatter stars".

Guess who stalemated that same version of Superman while bloodlusted?

With hands that could juggle suns.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19644404/Original_Sin_-_Hulk_vs._Iron_Man_004-002.jpg.html

Originally posted by carver9
With hands that could juggle suns.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19644404/Original_Sin_-_Hulk_vs._Iron_Man_004-002.jpg.html

That's not what that says.

Originally posted by darthgoober
That's golden age Supes, which means an alternate universe version of the character. My point is that just a character is a "PC Kryptonian" it doesn't mean that they should automatically be considered equal to silver aged Supes at the height of his power. even Pre Crisis characters function on a broad range. Post Crisis Powergirl and Superboy Prime are both Pre Crisis Kryptonians after all.

And Superboy Prime had some of the most insane showings out there.

Originally posted by carver9
With hands that could juggle suns.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19644404/Original_Sin_-_Hulk_vs._Iron_Man_004-002.jpg.html

😬

Originally posted by darthgoober
Pocketverse=Alternate universe=not directly comparible.

Pocket verse Superboy was a direct comparasion to a PC Kryptonian in case you didn't knew.

He wasn't a PC Kryptonian from earth 1 universe but he was the equivalent according to Byrne of a Pre Crisis Kryptonian.

Also Jurgens pitted Byrne Superman vs Pre Crisis Kryptonians and by that time Superman was able to take on forces that disrupted space and time as he was charged with chronal energies from the linear men IIRC.

It doesn't look good for Surfer that even Byrne Superman was able to take on this guys portrayed at those power levels.