Originally posted by carver9
With hands that could juggle suns.http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19644404/Original_Sin_-_Hulk_vs._Iron_Man_004-002.jpg.html
Originally posted by carver9
With hands that could juggle suns.http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19644404/Original_Sin_-_Hulk_vs._Iron_Man_004-002.jpg.html
Lol.
No, THIS is how you juggle suns.
You're really sucking Batman's d!ck lately, aren't you?
Originally posted by Magnon
The Sun has a mean density of 1.4 g/mL. Assuming, generously, that the Hulk's handfuls are equal to 10 L your scan implies that the Hulk can lift at least 14 kg.
No. His scan implies Hulk can JUGGLE 14kg. Generously.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, WTF? Kal-L was actually weaker than Earth 1 Superman.And Superboy Prime had some of the most insane showings out there.
Handfuls of the suns. Try to read sometimes.😬
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Pocket verse Superboy was a direct comparasion to a PC Kryptonian in case you didn't knew.He wasn't a PC Kryptonian from earth 1 universe but he was the equivalent according to Byrne of a Pre Crisis Kryptonian.
Also Jurgens pitted Byrne Superman vs Pre Crisis Kryptonians and by that time Superman was able to take on forces that disrupted space and time as he was charged with chronal energies from the linear men IIRC.
It doesn't look good for Surfer that even Byrne Superman was able to take on this guys portrayed at those power levels.
Surely you guys aren't going to continue when even panthergod acknowledges that Kryptonians where toned down before the Crisis...
Originally posted by panthergod
Why would she? She's from Earth 2. She's Golden Age Kryptonian level. Roughly half as powerful as Earth 1 Kryptonian. And Even Pre Crisis Kryptonians ceased to be s ridiculous in he Bronze Age.
If a Pre Crisis Kryptonian does something impressive in a Post Crisis setting I have no problem acknowledging it as being impressive. What I'm saying is that things aren't automatically impressive just because they involve a Pre Crisis Kryptionian.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Surely you guys aren't going to continue when even panthergod acknowledges that Kryptonians where toned down before the Crisis...If a Pre Crisis Kryptonian does something impressive in a Post Crisis setting I have no problem acknowledging it as being impressive. What I'm saying is that things aren't automatically impressive just because they involve a Pre Crisis Kryptionian.
This Kryptonian in particular was portrayed as being able to withstand the energies to keep a pocket verse safe and time travel while deadly injured.
I gave you pretty much a power level at which the pre crisis kryptonians Byrne Superman faced. And they were certantly not portrayed as weaklings. The power levels at which they were displayed pretty much indicates that they were really powerful and not "power girl level" but guys who can actually time travel while deadly injured.
I have no problem if you believe SS wins just don't try to say that the pre crisis kryptonians Byrne era Superman faced were "power girl level" when they were actually portrayed as pretty powerful.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
This Kryptonian in particular was portrayed as being able to withstand the energies to keep a pocket verse safe and time travel while deadly injured.I gave you pretty much a power level at which the pre crisis kryptonians Byrne Superman faced. And they were certantly not portrayed as weaklings. The power levels at which they were displayed pretty much indicates that they were really powerful and not "power girl level" but guys who can actually time travel while deadly injured.
I have no problem if you believe SS wins just don't try to say that the pre crisis kryptonians Byrne era Superman faced were not "power girl level" they were actually pretty powerful.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I have no problem with you bringing up a showing against an impressive opponent. My only issue was with the groups impressiveness being attributed to them because they were Pre Crisis Kryptonians. I'm not trying to downplay Supes's feat here, I'm just trying to dispel the notion that anything involving a Pre Crisis Kryptionian is automatically uber in nature. Each Pre Crisis Kryptonian needs to be judged by feats and showings just like everybody else and not rely on cherry picking the best feats of the race as a whole.
Fair enough, but in this particular case the pre crisis kryptonians that faced Byrne Superman were portrayed as pretty powerful. Especially pocket verse superboy
Originally posted by darthgoober
Surely you guys aren't going to continue when even panthergod acknowledges that Kryptonians where toned down before the Crisis...If a Pre Crisis Kryptonian does something impressive in a Post Crisis setting I have no problem acknowledging it as being impressive. What I'm saying is that things aren't automatically impressive just because they involve a Pre Crisis Kryptionian.
Superman withstood Pre Crisis Kryptonian power, and they were well beyond top tier. They weren't at SBP uber Skyfather levels in relative power. Likely since he can access the u'll potential since he read Silver Age comics.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Fair enough, but in this particular case the pre crisis kryptonians that faced Byrne Superman were portrayed as pretty powerful. Especially pocket verse superboy
Originally posted by panthergod
My point doesnt contradict theirs.Superman withstood Pre Crisis Kryptonian power, and they were well beyond top tier. They weren't at SBP uber Skyfather levels in relative power. Likely since he can access the u'll potential since he read Silver Age comics.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Surely you guys aren't going to continue when even panthergod acknowledges that Kryptonians where toned down before the Crisis...If a Pre Crisis Kryptonian does something impressive in a Post Crisis setting I have no problem acknowledging it as being impressive. What I'm saying is that things aren't automatically impressive just because they involve a Pre Crisis Kryptionian.
Silver age Superman was essentially skyfather level.
But even COIE Superman and Supergirl could tussle with the likes of Blackstarr who rearranged the entire universe under her power. So it's not like "hurr, durr bronze age Superman sucks".
Originally posted by Endless MikeSuperman and Supergirl fight Blackstarr, an extremely powerful cosmic reality warper. Feats for them include flying at warp speed, surviving gravity shockwaves from black holes, Supergirl surviving simultaneous blasts from multiple quasars (one quasar can emit as much energy as an entire galaxy), Superman surviving being blasted back by the force of a million gravities and smashing a planet apart as a result, Superman breaking through a "concentrated light beam" that would destroy anyone else, both of them attacking at FTL speed and moving so fast that they would pass thousands of light - years in an instant, flying through dimensions, flying to the edge of the universe, surviving a gravitational blast that reached across the entire universe and expanded it back to its normal size, keeping an eye on Blackstarr from across the universe the whole time, and flying back after the universe had expanded. What's even more amazing is that all of this was Bronze Age (immediately Pre - Crisis), where Superman and Supergirl were officially depowered and much weaker than they were in the Silver Age.
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Originally posted by darthgoober
Then it's impressive because THEY were impressive, not because of the title attributed to them.
👆 I think we are just going into semantics here.
But if its better for you then; yes, because they were portrayed as impresive regardless of being PC K or not. At the end what matters is that Byrne SM was able to face guys like pocket verse superboy.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You are acting like we are hive minds somehow.Silver age Superman was essentially skyfather level.
But even COIE Superman and Supergirl could tussle with the likes of Blackstarr who rearranged the entire universe under her power. So it's not like "hurr, durr bronze age Superman sucks".
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
👆 I think we are just going into semantics here.But if its better for you then; yes, because they were portrayed as impresive regardless of being PC K or not. At the end what matters is that Byrne SM was able to face guys like pocket verse superboy.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I never said that Kryptonians sucked right before the Crisis. I specifically said that taking them on was still impressive, I was just acknowledging that taking on a PC Kryptonian wasn't automatically as impressive as taking on Supes at the height of his portrayels. You really seem to be arguing just to argue at this point.
Fact is, Superboy had all his adventures with the Legion intact. He could time travel under his own power and was stronger than Mon-El who had all his pre-crisis power levels too.
To argue that Superboy wasn't a pre-crisis power level is to twist the very story reason for why he was created in the first place.
I suggest you read it first before making any more comments. Heck, Superman considered them capable of destroying whole universes.
Originally posted by abhilegend
The pocket dimension kryptonians could've laid waste to entire universeS according to superman.Uber.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And you're arguing just for the sake of lowballing.Fact is, Superboy had all his adventures with the Legion intact. He could time travel under his own power and was stronger than Mon-El who had all his pre-crisis power levels too.
To argue that Superboy wasn't a pre-crisis power level is to twist the very story reason for why he was created in the first place.
I suggest you read it first before making any more comments. Heck, Superman considered them capable of destroying whole universes.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I haven't said a single thing to lowball anyone. I've only taken issue with the title of Pre Crisis Kryptonian being used as a notation of power. The title means nothing, it's what they accomplish that matters. By the same token, a "Herald of Galactus" means nothing on it's own beyond what the herald in question demonstrates and beating any given human being doesn't necessarily mean you can beat Batman or Captain America.
But enough bellyaching from you.
The fact is Surfer can't beat Superman with sheer raw power.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, you have.But enough bellyaching from you.
The fact is Surfer can't beat Superman with sheer raw power.
