Originally posted by carver9
Yes, he was dying and his durability was all over the place. The same Hulk got stabbed through by a stop sign.Let me guess, pole>>>Surfer blast.
Originally posted by carver9
Even tells us in the scan his durability was jacked.
Don't be an idiot.
Surfers blasts do basically nothing to high heralds but they wreck the shit out of anything lower.
If Surfer don't use Gladiators weakness against him then Gladiator would wreck Surfer.
Surfer can beat Superman only if he used red solar radiation and stayed away from Superman. But typically his usual blasting self will lose everytime.
Originally posted by abhilegendLulz. Your sanity hinging on the outcome of this thread not worrying me in the least, Surfer uses his powerset to destroy Superman.
So anymore surfer fanboys around? I'm pretty bored thrashing the usual ones again.
Originally posted by emu
In the end, it's only because Surfer is written as a pacifist that you can even argue superman against him.
The thing is that this thread specifically says bloodlusted. We have seen a bloodlusted Superman. Have we ever seen that with Surfer?
Below is a prime example of Surfer who has no control over his aggression. See Hiroim's statement of "give him another pass and we're dead". This is a group comprised of Hulk, Korg (who is about Thing level) and Heroim who is formidable himself. And this is a weakened Surfer who likewise doesn't have access to his power cosmic.
As soon as the mind control is broken, Surfer resorts to passivism mode and lets Hulk pound on him.
https://lowbrowcomics.com/2016/04/10/incredible-hulk-vs-silver-surfer-planet-hulk/
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Besides Thanos, who has [B]punched Surfer out (excluding cosmics like Overlord and Tenebrous)? [/B]
Hulk seemingly KOed Surfer in Incredible Hulk #95 but they were both were weakened to a ambiguous degree, so it's a difficult showing to gauge. That same year, just few months earlier in Captain Universe/Silver Surfer, Surfer easily shrugged off a haymaker from Uni-Powered Krosakis, who had the combined power of both Hulk and Gladiator at the time, so take it as you will.
In Fantastic Four #556, Black Panther dropped Surfer pretty quickly after draining his power with the Doomtech harness but the fact that Surfer was still standing and trying to fight after getting drained, interestingly shows how far hes come since the old days when getting drained by Doom's harness downed him completely.
Cairea's Old Power "Hulk" construct mushed Surfer into the dirt in Skaar Son of Hulk #9, but he only seemed briefly dazed, far from KOed.
I think the last time it definitively happened was his off-panel beat down from Champion in She-Hulk #8 (the 2004 series), maybe?
Originally posted by Fiendish
IIRC it's actually been quite a while since pure fisticuffs dropped a non weakened Surfer soundly.Hulk seemingly KOed Surfer in Incredible Hulk #95 but they were both were weakened to a ambiguous degree, so it's a difficult showing to gauge. That same year, just few months earlier in Captain Universe/Silver Surfer, Surfer easily shrugged off a haymaker from Uni-Powered Krosakis, who had the combined power of both Hulk and Gladiator at the time, so take it as you will.
In Fantastic Four #556, Black Panther dropped Surfer pretty quickly after draining his power with the Doomtech harness but the fact that Surfer was still standing and trying to fight after getting drained, interestingly shows how far hes come since the old days when getting drained by Doom's harness downed him completely.
Cairea's Old Power "Hulk" construct mushed Surfer into the dirt in Skaar Son of Hulk #9, but he only seemed briefly dazed, far from KOed.
I think the last time it definitively happened was his off-panel beat down from Champion in She-Hulk #8 (the 2004 series), maybe?
Yea, IH #95 is where the scans in the link above are from. In that instance, Surfer has stopped fighting and is on his knees thanking Hulk when Hulk attacks him. Surfer is pretty much unharmed by the later mush in the dirt.
The Champion issue involves one of the higher portrayals of a power gem amp. Both Gladiator and BRB are dominated by Champion while he possesses the power gem.
So basically, some are proclaiming that Superman will do something that basically has not been done by any non-cosmic level character other than Thanos. The Krosakis fight undermines the notion of Surfer losing, much less the notion of him being dominated as Krosakis has both Gladiator's power and the Unipower combined:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CaptainUniverseSS1-10.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CaptainUniverseSS1-11.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CaptainUniverseSS1-12.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CaptainUniverseSS1-13.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CaptainUniverseSS1-14.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CaptainUniverseSS1-15.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CaptainUniverseSS1-16.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CaptainUniverseSS1-17.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CaptainUniverseSS1-18.jpg
Originally posted by TheHulksterI didn't catch OP's stips, thanks for the catch.
The thing is that this thread specifically says bloodlusted. We have seen a bloodlusted Superman. Have we ever seen that with Surfer?Below is a prime example of Surfer who has no control over his aggression. See Hiroim's statement of "give him another pass and we're dead". This is a group comprised of Hulk, Korg (who is about Thing level) and Heroim who is formidable himself. And this is a weakened Surfer who likewise doesn't have access to his power cosmic.
As soon as the mind control is broken, Surfer resorts to passivism mode and lets Hulk pound on him.
https://lowbrowcomics.com/2016/04/10/incredible-hulk-vs-silver-surfer-planet-hulk/
And yeah, I've never seen Surfer bloodlusted.
Lucky for Superman I'd think.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Who specifically? And I'm talking physical strikes from non-weapons that take Surfer down.
Like I said, a lot of characters. He was once koed by colliding with Iron Man FFS.
Are you claiming weapons aren't physical strikes somehow? Lunatik once KTFO him with his own board. That's not physical?
And you're not saying that Surfer can't withstand Superman's punches are you?
That's exactly what I am saying numbnuts. He is less durable than Superman and can't take many punches from a bloodlusted Superman.
Originally posted by emu
Lulz. Your sanity hinging on the outcome of this thread not worrying me in the least,
That's a strange way to concede.
Surfer uses his powerset to destroy Superman.
A couple of punches from Superman and Surfer turns supes molecules inside out.
You're entirely welcome to prove that by feats from Surfer.
Your imagination doesn't count.
If you want to argue that, go for it, but it's no more outlandish than your DC sponsored superman drivel.
😂
Nice one. Are you seriously thinking this is sponsored by a company?
In the end, it's only because Surfer is written as a pacifist that you can even argue superman against him.
Surfer wins, then breaks 4th wall apologising to Abhil 👆
No, it's because he isn't powerful enough to beat Superman.
You have to make up scenarios to even think how he wins.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
The thing is that this thread specifically says bloodlusted. We have seen a bloodlusted Superman. Have we ever seen that with Surfer?Below is a prime example of Surfer who has no control over his aggression. See Hiroim's statement of "give him another pass and we're dead". This is a group comprised of Hulk, Korg (who is about Thing level) and Heroim who is formidable himself. And this is a weakened Surfer who likewise doesn't have access to his power cosmic.
As soon as the mind control is broken, Surfer resorts to passivism mode and lets Hulk pound on him.
https://lowbrowcomics.com/2016/04/10/incredible-hulk-vs-silver-surfer-planet-hulk/
Hiroim saying something doesn't automatically means he was actually capable of killing Hulk. Opposite isn't true.
Originally posted by Fiendish
IIRC it's actually been quite a while since pure fisticuffs dropped a non weakened Surfer soundly.Hulk seemingly KOed Surfer in Incredible Hulk #95 but they were both were weakened to a ambiguous degree, so it's a difficult showing to gauge. That same year, just few months earlier in Captain Universe/Silver Surfer, Surfer easily shrugged off a haymaker from Uni-Powered Krosakis, who had the combined power of both Hulk and Gladiator at the time, so take it as you will.
In Fantastic Four #556, Black Panther dropped Surfer pretty quickly after draining his power with the Doomtech harness but the fact that Surfer was still standing and trying to fight after getting drained, interestingly shows how far hes come since the old days when getting drained by Doom's harness downed him completely.
Cairea's Old Power "Hulk" construct mushed Surfer into the dirt in Skaar Son of Hulk #9, but he only seemed briefly dazed, far from KOed.
I think the last time it definitively happened was his off-panel beat down from Champion in She-Hulk #8 (the 2004 series), maybe?
And he doesn't has so many losses because he hasn't gone against any heavy hitter in a prolonged fight. The last major fight was against Thor who who was ragdolling him and even dented his forehead with a headbutt.
He performed worse than Namor against worthy attuma, he performed worse than Nova against Lord Marvel and Thanos. Heck, he was out fought by ****ing Thing in his own comic.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Yea, IH #95 is where the scans in the link above are from. In that instance, Surfer has stopped fighting and is on his knees thanking Hulk when Hulk attacks him. Surfer is pretty much unharmed by the later mush in the dirt.The Champion issue involves one of the higher portrayals of a power gem amp. Both Gladiator and BRB are dominated by Champion while he possesses the power gem.
So basically, some are proclaiming that Superman will do something that basically has not been done by any non-cosmic level character other than Thanos. The Krosakis fight undermines the notion of Surfer losing, much less the notion of him being dominated as Krosakis has both Gladiator's power and the Unipower combined:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CaptainUniverseSS1-10.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CaptainUniverseSS1-11.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CaptainUniverseSS1-12.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CaptainUniverseSS1-13.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CaptainUniverseSS1-14.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CaptainUniverseSS1-15.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CaptainUniverseSS1-16.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CaptainUniverseSS1-17.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CaptainUniverseSS1-18.jpg
Unipower was weakened in that mini and Gladiator is pocket chump compared to Superman. But I guess this means Surfer can't even hurt Superman.
Originally posted by Galan007
You know 'reading' entails more than just looking at the pretty pictures, and coming up with a 'carverized' version of the dialogue, right? 😂El.Oh.El.
1.) Molly's only priority was to DESTROY Superman and ALL super-powered beings throughout creation. She(and The Timeless) viewed them as an abomination --a threat to creation itself on a fundamental level-- and wanted them extinct at all costs. She made her intentions abundantly clear on multiple occasions... As did Tempus himself:
*Suggesting a character with that sort of nihilistic mentality(and whom was also enraged during the fight) would inextricably hold back against the very being(s) she sought to destroy is utterly laughable.
2.) It was only stated that Molly wasn't going all-out AFTER her connection to the Timeless' machines was severed -- which makes sense, as she was literally incapable of operating at full power:
http://i.imgur.com/GxHV4QO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/m70MXqA.jpg3.) Prior to losing her connection to said power sources, however, Molly was clearly going all-out...
Superman soaked Molly's initial attacks without so much as a scratch to show for it:
Supes and Molly continued battling for a few more pages. The next time we see Superman, his suit is ripped a bit, but he's otherwise none the worse for wear:
*This is quite impressive considering her blasts also contained [extremely] high-level magics, in addition to the energy of the Speed Force AND the GL CPB.
The faux-smartass banter only works when you actually know what you're talking about. When you're flat-out wrong(as you are here), and still trying to act like an arrogant asshat, it just makes you look like even more of a dumbass.
#TheMoreYouKnow 😉
Are you claiming Superman can't KO Surfer? Just say it so marvel zombie.
Originally posted by abhilegendSurfer is FAR more powerful than superman. Surfer has more than enough power to stomp superman several different ways.
That's a strange way to concede.You're entirely welcome to prove that by feats from Surfer.
Your imagination doesn't count.
😂
Nice one. Are you seriously thinking this is sponsored by a company?
No, it's because he isn't powerful enough to beat Superman.
You have to make up scenarios to even think how he wins.
