Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, but it didn't give he powers of previous hosts to the next host. Daredevil didn't became as strong as Hulk for example.
http://i.imgur.com/D9ksLYF.jpg
Is it just a coincidence that the Uni-Power had respectively bonded with Hulk and Daredevil, in that order, before X-23?
Sue was using her force fields to amp her strikes. Not her "Hulk level strength" to beat Gladiator.That's just rubbish.
http://i.imgur.com/KYPPlpM.jpg
Yes, because it wasn't provided to next hosts in any situation. Gladiator didn't become invisible after using uni power after all.When there is nothing to support the hosts getting the powers of previous hosts to begin with?
Daredevil struggled with random thugs while having uni power FFS.
That's funny.
http://i.imgur.com/yANV869.jpg
with these.
http://i.imgur.com/nz3xfji.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0kjsHp3.jpg
Perhaps. It doesn't mean Surfer was not getting hurt with mjolnir strikes. Just that he was getting rolled with it.No. It had more with the fact that Surfer was immobile when Thor headbutted him and didn't had Surfer getting ragdolled like against mjolnir strikes.
I don't think so. Karnilla brushed Surfer aside with a casual blast in the same arc.or maybe Thor is more formidable than BRB. Surfer didn't fare that well against worthy Attuma either.
Thor was continuously weakened in that arc. Even then Surfer couldn't hurt him at all and instead hurt himself when he slammed Thor on mars.
Problem for Surfer is, Superman hits harder than Thor can hope to achieve and is a lot more durable than either Surfer or Thor.This is not going to end well for Surfer.
Originally posted by Fiendish
X-23 specifically mentioned the Uni-Power making her stronger and able to hear better.
Because that's her powers. She kicked a guy in the face just on the page before that and somehow failed to even kill him with hulk level strength?
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Captain-Universe/Issue-X-23?id=110254
Don't make me laugh.
Is it just a coincidence that the Uni-Power had respectively bonded with Hulk and Daredevil, in that order, before X-23?
Yes, and it made her what, Cap level in strength?
She was also tanking all of his blows, where is she using her fields here?
Hold on, we are talking about X 23 or not? Sue never even said that she was stronger.
Do you know what invisible force field means?
Daredevil wasn't struggling with the commandos, he turned one of them into a human soccer ball but they used a flash bang which overloaded his amped senses so he had the Uni-Power leave him.
Is that so?
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Captain-Universe/Issue-Daredevil?id=110250
They were hurting him with kicks and he had to slip through chains instead of breaking them.
Way to go hulk level Daredevil.
Compare this...
http://i.imgur.com/yANV869.jpg
with these.
http://i.imgur.com/nz3xfji.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0kjsHp3.jpg
What are you trying to tell us here? That Surfer is more durable than Angrir because he was cheapshotted by a summoned mjolnir?
The headbutt ragdolled Surfer just like the hits from Mjolnir, however Surfer WAS immobile when Thor hit him with the charged up hammer strike and it still did no damage.
Uh, again what's your argument here? That Thor's headbutt is more powerful than his hammer strikes?
Surfer didn't even try to press his attack against Thor like he did with BRB, he was too busy fretting over Thor's wound.
That was after they landed on Mars.
Thor had the same World Tree wound during Fear Itself and was further injured by Cul just before his fight with Angrir and Nul started.
Yes, and his only attack worth anything comes from summoning mjolnir through Angrir chest which he didn't do against Surfer.
That may very well be, I can only speak to what I know about Surfer in this case.
Alright.
Originally posted by JBL
Surfer is FAR more powerful than superman. Surfer has more than enough power to stomp superman several different ways.
If he's far more powerful then explain why his blasts do absolutely nothing to high heralds? Unless you can show scans were his blasts wrecks high heralds.
And what are his strength feats?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Eh what? There are a lot of instances like that. Even Thing knocked him out in his very first appearance. Some random rock troll oneshotted him.[B]
Your understanding is poor, so I will reiterate. We are speaking of someone punching him out in a fight. Like Thanos does. Unless specified, a battleboard doesn't count sucker punches when deciding who wins between two characers. Ben sucker punches Surfer from behind. You have yet to cite a single instance of Surfer being punched out and KOed against an opponent he is actively engaged in battle with.
But I like how physical collision between Iron Man and him are excluded for some reason.
Because that is not an example of him being punched out. Both characers are KOed. Are you arguing that he and Superman would double KO each other? If IM is standing over him after that collision, you may have a point.
He doesn't needs to use weapons to KTFO Surfer. His punches carry enough force as it is.
No they don't.
You ask for straight up Koes. Not straight up wins. Why whining though?
No I don't. Your understanding is poor. I specified being punched out in a fight. You're the main one who cries "sucker punched" when it meets your fanboy desires, yet you are constantly citing sucker punches here. Are you arguing that Superman can knock Surfer out with a sucker punch from behind? Make a thread on it.
Which Lunatik shrugged off and Surfer commented that they are equally powerful.
And the original beat Superman senselessly.
And Lunatik gets killed by Drax next he appears. How powerful of Surfer.
An entirely different version that even looks different.
[B]I take your concession.
You take your L. Now continue to cry undisturbed.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So straight up lying now, eh?And Surfer was faking.
Lying about what? It says in the scan that he cannibalizes the engine and why did you leave out the next page:
He states that he has felt Surfer's punches before. Those punches are affecting him not more than the punches in the previous volume. All except the last big punch. So clearly Surfer holds back. Cry about it.
Yeah, shockwaves are the real measure of power.GTFOH.
That's the point of the scene. To show how much different that punch is compared to the previous ones under the same writer against the same opponent.
Yes, but that shows Surfer is less powerful than Hulk to begin with.
We don't know why the portal affected Surfer more. But then again, Hulk's power is infinitely dynamic unlike Superman's.
Hulk is weakened as well and beats the shit out of Surfer.
Your desperation is comical. Both being weakened makes it a wash, and evidence supports that Surfer is more weakened since he goes through the portal well after. Hulk is much closer to 100%. And you again rave over Hulk attacking a kneeling, passive Surfer who is thanking him when just before, a Surfer absent the Power Cosmic is beating him and three others in physical combat.
Against Super skrull in SS 103.
That's no bloodlust. That's an angry, despaired Surfer who is lashing out, yet makes it very, very clear that he is refraining from taking any lives. And still he totally dominantes Super Skrull while holding back when coming close to killing him.
Bloodlust means make an all out effort to kill your opponent. Did you not know that?
Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]Is that so? Aegis koed him in two attacks earlier and Surfer was straight up dying from their attacks later.
We're talking about the later fight and Surfer is still conscious and able to initiate an attack that works.
By two skyfather level beings? ***** please, he takes attacks like that without missing a beat.
Skyfather? LOL. You have two Galactus level beings.
By endure you mean got killed and shattered, right?
I mean endure and mount a winning assault, duh.
If only that happened. Bruce was KTFO with the minimal power Molly had and Jane was koed even after Superman shielded her.
Yes, two normal humans, LOL.
He is not puny surfer who gets shattered by two skyfathers.
You mean two Galactus level beings. Superman is manhandled by the below Skyfather Darkseid.
Originally posted by cdtm😂
Beta Ray Bill and Nova Prime, certainly high heralds.
I take it your definition of 'high herald' is 'everybody above Iron Man', otherwise this is laughable.
If you want to see Surfer fighting high-heralds, check out his fights against Thor, where he either stalemates or gets his shit pushed in.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, but that shows Surfer is less powerful than Hulk to begin with.Hulk is weakened as well and beats the shit out of Surfer.
Unlike the Hulk, Surfer was really happy with his new gladiator slave life.
Norrin has completely lost himself in battle and was loving every second of it, while the Hulk tried to reason with him. When that didn't work, he smashed Eunuch like the POS he is.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Lying about what?
That he didn't use his own life force to warp and hence was weakened.
It says in the scan that he cannibalizes the engine and why did you leave out the next page:
Yes, Surfer was faking. What's the point?
He states that he has felt Surfer's punches before. Those punches are affecting him not more than the punches in the previous volume. All except the last big punch. So clearly Surfer holds back. Cry about it.
Yes, Surfer holds back. What a big shock?
Where is it shown that he holds back more than most characters as you stated?
And Surfer beat a weakened Warrior zero who wasn't drawing power from a planet. Hardly impressive.
That's the point of the scene. To show how much different that punch is compared to the previous ones under the same writer against the same opponent.
Same opponent who is weakened and not drawing power from a planet?
Surfer beats characters when not holding back. Superman kills them in such situations.
Maybe you are literate to understand the difference. I doubt it though.
We don't know why the portal affected Surfer more. But then again, Hulk's power is infinitely dynamic unlike Superman's.
Yes, we do. Surfer is shit against power draining.
Maybe. But Superman is infinitely dynamic compared to Surfer too.
Your desperation is comical. Both being weakened makes it a wash, and evidence supports that Surfer is more weakened since he goes through the portal well after.
That's not supported as Surfer arriving later made him weaker than hulk.
You're just making shit up.
Hulk is much closer to 100%. And you again rave over Hulk attacking a kneeling, passive Surfer who is thanking him when just before, a Surfer absent the Power Cosmic is beating him and three others in physical combat.
No he wasn't. Surfer headbutted him once and hit him with a mace when Hulk approached him as a friend.
Hardly physically beating him.
You're the one who thinks beating someone with a weapon is not physically beating them, right?
That's no bloodlust. That's an angry, despaired Surfer who is lashing out, yet makes it very, very clear that he is refraining from taking any lives. And still he totally dominantes Super Skrull while holding back when coming close to killing him.
Bloodlusted doesn't means you actually need to kill someone. It means you're not holding back.
Bloodlust means make an all out effort to kill your opponent. Did you not know that?
No, it means not holding back. Not killing someone isn't a sign of such behavior.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
We're talking about the later fight and Surfer is still conscious and able to initiate an attack that works.
So you lied again about Surfer not being koed?
Skyfather? LOL. You have two Galactus level beings.
Who was a skyfather level being under DnA. Below Galactus Engine who was himself less powerful than Elder Gods many angled ones.
What did Galactus do under DNA that was so impressive and above skyfather level?
I mean endure and mount a winning assault, duh.
Not under his own power.
Yes, two normal humans, LOL.
Still crying about that eh?
Good to know.
You mean two Galactus level beings. Superman is manhandled by the below Skyfather Darkseid.
Darkseid is above devourer Galactus these days.
Galactus is merely skyfather level under DnA.
Cry more.
Originally posted by cdtm
Norrin wrecked Beta Ray Bill and Nova Prime, certainly high heralds.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
I thought BRB and Thor have typically been portrayed as equals. Of course, there is Uber Cable, Krosakis, Gladiator and Hulk.Nova Prime was originally portrayed as high herald level, and quickly was watered down a lot with the eventual excuse of Worldmind holding his power back.
Cable was burning out. He hasn't fought Gladiator. As for Krosakis, Superman has overpowered beings who have the power of every JLA member ever including Superman himself.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Overpowers Composite Superman trying to restrain him who had the powers of the whole justice league.
Composite Superman was strong enough to tear himself into half even with all that durability and without any leverage.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That he didn't use his own life force to warp and hence was weakened.Yes, Surfer was faking. What's the point?
Yes, Surfer holds back. What a big shock?
Where is it shown that he holds back more than most characters as you stated?
And Surfer beat a weakened Warrior zero who wasn't drawing power from a planet. Hardly impressive.
Same opponent who is weakened and not drawing power from a planet?
Surfer beats characters when not holding back. Superman kills them in such situations.
Maybe you are literate to understand the difference. I doubt it though.
Yes, we do. Surfer is shit against power draining.
Maybe. But Superman is infinitely dynamic compared to Surfer too.
That's not supported as Surfer arriving later made him weaker than hulk.
You're just making shit up.
No he wasn't. Surfer headbutted him once and hit him with a mace when Hulk approached him as a friend.
Hardly physically beating him.
You're the one who thinks beating someone with a weapon is not physically beating them, right?
Surfer was as angry and not holding back as can be.
Bloodlusted doesn't means you actually need to kill someone. It means you're not holding back.
No, it means not holding back. Not killing someone isn't a sign of such behavior.
Where did I say that he didn't draw from his life force?
Both Hulk and Surfer have weapons, so it's a wash. The headbutt involves no weapon and Hulk is attacking.
Characters are weakened by the portal. Surfer goes through it quite a while after Hulk does. It takes time for strength to be regained. Surfer has less time. Do the math. Of get someone smarter to do it for you.
Bloodlust is going for the kill. That is different from not holding back. Cry more.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So you lied again about Surfer not being koed?
Never lied at all. You are projecting. I was referencing a specific fight where alone he faces two Galactus level beings.
Who was a skyfather level being under DnA. Below Galactus Engine who was himself less powerful than Elder Gods many angled ones.What did Galactus do under DNA that was so impressive and above skyfather level?
What does DnA have to do with two issues written by Keith Giffen?
Darkseid is above devourer Galactus these days.
Nah.
Galactus is merely skyfather level under DnA.Cry more.
Why are you referencing DnA?
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Your understanding is poor, so I will reiterate. We are speaking of someone punching him out in a fight. Like Thanos does.
Hold on, didn't you just say that Surfer hitting Hulk with a mace is him beating Hulk physically?
Why such a U turn marvel zombie?
Unless specified, a battleboard doesn't count sucker punches when deciding who wins between two characers. Ben sucker punches Surfer from behind. You have yet to cite a single instance of Surfer being punched out and KOed against an opponent he is actively engaged in battle with.
Oh that?
Because that is not an example of him being punched out. Both characers are KOed. Are you arguing that he and Superman would double KO each other? If IM is standing over him after that collision, you may have a point.
I'm pretty sure Superman is a lot more durable than Iron Man.
Are you saying Surfer being KOed by a collision with Iron man in a fight means he can't be koed by Superman?
No they don't.
Of course they do. Want to see what Superman can do with his punches?
No I don't. Your understanding is poor. I specified being punched out in a fight. You're the main one who cries "sucker punched" when it meets your fanboy desires, yet you are constantly citing sucker punches here. Are you arguing that Superman can knock Surfer out with a sucker punch from behind? Make a thread on it.
Are you certain you want to claim Superman can't ko Surfer with punches? That's a very tall order to achieve marvel zombie.
And the original beat Superman senselessly.
Lobo? Superman overpowered him and Valor at the same time. AOS 464 is due to Superman being mindcontrolled.
An entirely different version that even looks different.
Nothing is stated to be different.
You take your L. Now continue to cry undisturbed.
😂
Hush now child.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Where did I say that he didn't draw from his life force?
Oh you didn't? So Warrior zero was weakened? Then what is this?
Originally posted by TheHulkster
[B]He cannibalizes his warp engines and compares Surfer's punches to the previous punches. Except for the last one of course, which causes shockwaves not caused by the punches in the previous battle.Surfer goes through the portal well after Hulk does, thus is more weakened when they battle. Heck, Surfer is more weakened initially by the portal than Hulk was.
When have we seen a bloodlusted Surfer?
Both Hulk and Surfer have weapons, so it's a wash. The headbutt involves no weapon and Hulk is attacking.
A headbutt which Hulk shrugged off is Surfer beating Hulk?
Characters are weakened by the portal. Surfer goes through it quite a while after Hulk does. It takes time for strength to be regained. Surfer has less time. Do the math. Of get someone smarter to do it for you.
The portal drained characters. Nothing more.
It's not specified that Hulk had regained his strength. He was also in a lot of fight and had not regained his power back which he was drained by the portal.
Bloodlust is going for the kill. That is different from not holding back. Cry more. [/B]
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Hush now child. It's clear you don't know what you're talking about.
