How the hell can Superman beat Silver Surfer?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Plus, the way that Surfer gets fed up in today's issue and one-shots Warrior Zero (formally Warrior One) in direct confrontation, causing shockwaves with the punch shows that Surfer probably holds back more than any other character. Warrior One gives Surfer hell in the previous volume.

Not to mention Warrior one used his own life force to catch up with Surfer so he was somewhat weakened.

Originally posted by emu
I didn't catch OP's stips, thanks for the catch.
And beautiful scans 👆
Watch it get scrutinized into non existence, and then see a dynamic strength, mental block removed, hidden reserves fueled monster running around in this very same thread.

And yeah, I've never seen Surfer bloodlusted.
Lucky for Superman I'd think.

We have seen a bloodlusted Surfer before. Nothing out of extraordinary. A bloodlusted Superman though? He is going to straight up punch a hole in surfer or rip him in half.

Originally posted by JBL
Surfer is FAR more powerful than superman. Surfer has more than enough power to stomp superman several different ways.

He is versatile but that's not the measure of raw power.

Superman easily overpowers him in any contest of raw power.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Heh, he really isn't.

He is versatile but that's not the measure of raw power.

Superman easily overpowers him in any contest of raw power.

Originally posted by JBL
No he won't. But let's not debate this Because when other superman fans come with their insults, you know what happens next. Let's just agree to disagree.

And yes he is. It doesn't matter what you say.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where is any insult there?

And yes he is. It doesn't matter what you say.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Krosakis only had Gladiator's powers BTW. Not hulk's.

The Uni-Power was replicating the powers of the superheroes it was bonding with at the time.

http://imgur.com/a/rPUpB

It bonded with Hulk in Captain Universe/Hulk and Gladiator in Captain Universe/Invisible Woman. Krosakis had their combined power via the Uni-Power as well as directly feeding on Gladiator and the countless aliens aboard his ship.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And he doesn't has so many losses because he hasn't gone against any heavy hitter in a prolonged fight. The last major fight was against Thor who who was ragdolling him and even dented his forehead with a headbutt.

The story was pretty much the same before when Surfer fought BRB, except Surfer clearly didn't hold back to the ridiculous degree he did with Thor.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like I said, a lot of characters. He was once koed by colliding with Iron Man FFS.

Concession accepted. I asked you for instances of characters punching him out. Not a collision that takes both combatants out. There are not "a lot" because you have failed to name one.

Are you claiming weapons aren't physical strikes somehow? Lunatik once KTFO him with his own board. That's not physical?

We're talking about punches and or kicks, elbows, etc. Superman doesn't have weapons as part of his standard power-set. Lunatik gains access to the board via a sucker punch and Surfer having to fight Skreet as well. None of this relates to a fair one on one fight between Surfer and your truly beloved. Directly one on one, he handles up on Lunatik including knocking him from the tropics to the planets north pole.

That's exactly what I am saying numbnuts. He is less durable than Superman and can't take many punches from a bloodlusted Superman.

And as you're proven to be wrong as always, you'll continue to cry more and cry often.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Warrior one was amped by the gravity of entire planet in earlier volume.

Not to mention Warrior one used his own life force to catch up with Surfer so he was somewhat weakened.]

He cannibalizes his warp engines and compares Surfer's punches to the previous punches. Except for the last one of course, which causes shockwaves not caused by the punches in the previous battle.

[B]Yeah, Surfer beats on a weakened Hulk. Big deal.

Surfer goes through the portal well after Hulk does, thus is more weakened when they battle. Heck, Surfer is more weakened initially by the portal than Hulk was.

We have seen a bloodlusted Surfer before. Nothing out of extraordinary. A bloodlusted Superman though? He is going to straight up punch a hole in surfer or rip him in half.

When have we seen a bloodlusted Surfer?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you claiming Superman can't KO Surfer? Just say it so marvel zombie.

For the most part, especially since he is never KOed from the assault from Tenebrous and Aegis. Superman would be dead.
Surfer soon after endure Crunch energy.

And LOL at Bruce and Jane with a bit of armor being as durable as Superman.

Bruce's armour is Apokoliptian. Luthor designed, with a Motherbox inside it.

Plus, it's Batman.

Out of his armour, he has taken beastly beatings:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Yeah, but she's mind controlled, so we should discount that!

Remember, even with her bracelets on, she was stronger and faster:

[b]So a bloodlusted, out for the kill, WW with GoW upgrade, was unable to kill or even KO an injured, sick Batman, without his Batsuit, even with a suckerpunch.

[/B]

Bat-Luthor:

With Motherbox:

Hal has beat supermans ass. Surfer can but if its jobber surfer supes punch him out

Is this Apokoliptian armor?

Originally posted by JBL
you really don't insult, it's certain superman fans that do yet I get warned when I respond back without insulting them. But surfer would strike superman down in a number of ways.

Originally posted by Fiendish
The Uni-Power was replicating the powers of the superheroes it was bonding with at the time.

http://imgur.com/a/rPUpB

Maybe you should read what is written there first before jumping to any conclusion.

Unipower needed to download the information from its previous hosts to regain its power.

It bonded with Hulk in Captain Universe/Hulk and Gladiator in Captain Universe/Invisible Woman. Krosakis had their combined power via the Uni-Power as well as directly feeding on Gladiator and the countless aliens aboard his ship.

That's not what happened. Unipower itself was weakened and Krosakis forcibly took it to himself.

He was powered by Gladiator and Unipower only. Not with Hulk and Daredevil and whatever else Unipower bonded with previously.

That's neither stated nor specified.

Considering what Fraction had Thor doing in Fear Itself that same year, soloing Angrir and Nul, AFTER being hurt by Cul.

Yes, his Thor was powerful. We're talking about Superman here though. Even new 52 Superman was ridiculous in that department.

He had Mjolnir punching a hole clean through Angrir with ease, yet the numerous hurls from Thor ONLY ragdolled Surfer, he just shrugged each one off without a scratch and immediately retaliated to every attack.

He summoned mjolnir through his chest. His own attacks didn't put a hole through Angrir.

And Thor was weakened and in pain due to the scar from world tree.

The headbutt was the only attack that had any kind of noticeable effect, and it was only a brief effect as the dent healed in moments.

But it indicates he isn't more durable than Thor.

If Thor can dent his forehead, Superman is going to crumple him like tinfoil.

The story was pretty much the same before when Surfer fought BRB, except Surfer clearly didn't hold back to the ridiculous degree he did with Thor.

And cheapshotted Bill. He cheapshotted Thor too but Thor just shrugged it off and started hammering that ass all over.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Concession accepted. I asked you for instances of characters punching him out. Not a collision that takes both combatants out. There are not "a lot" because you have failed to name one.

Eh what? There are a lot of instances like that. Even Thing knocked him out in his very first appearance. Some random rock troll oneshotted him.

But I like how physical collision between Iron Man and him are excluded for some reason.

We're talking about punches and or kicks, elbows, etc. Superman doesn't have weapons as part of his standard power-set.

He doesn't needs to use weapons to KTFO Surfer. His punches carry enough force as it is.

Lunatik gains access to the board via a sucker punch and Surfer having to fight Skreet as well. None of this relates to a fair one on one fight between Surfer and your truly beloved.

You ask for straight up Koes. Not straight up wins. Why whining though?

Directly one on one, he handles up on Lunatik including knocking him from the tropics to the planets north pole.

Which Lunatik shrugged off and Surfer commented that they are equally powerful.

And Lunatik gets killed by Drax next he appears. How powerful of Surfer.

And as you're proven to be wrong as always, you'll continue to cry more and cry often.

I take your concession.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
He cannibalizes his warp engines and compares Surfer's punches to the previous punches.

So straight up lying now, eh?

And Surfer was faking.

Except for the last one of course, which causes shockwaves not caused by the punches in the previous battle.

Yeah, shockwaves are the real measure of power.

GTFOH.

Surfer goes through the portal well after Hulk does, thus is more weakened when they battle. Heck, Surfer is more weakened initially by the portal than Hulk was.

Yes, but that shows Surfer is less powerful than Hulk to begin with.

Hulk is weakened as well and beats the shit out of Surfer.

When have we seen a bloodlusted Surfer?

Against Super skrull in SS 103.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
For the most part, especially since he is never KOed from the assault from Tenebrous and Aegis.

Is that so? Aegis koed him in two attacks earlier and Surfer was straight up dying from their attacks later.

Superman would be dead.

By two skyfather level beings? ***** please, he takes attacks like that without missing a beat.

Surfer soon after endure Crunch energy.

By endure you mean got killed and shattered, right?

And LOL at Bruce and Jane with a bit of armor being as durable as Superman.

If only that happened. Bruce was KTFO with the minimal power Molly had and Jane was koed even after Superman shielded her.

He is not puny surfer who gets shattered by two skyfathers.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Maybe you should read what is written there first before jumping to any conclusion.

Unipower needed to download the information from its previous hosts to regain its power.

That's not what happened. Unipower itself was weakened and Krosakis forcibly took it to himself.

He was powered by Gladiator and Unipower only. Not with Hulk and Daredevil and whatever else Unipower bonded with previously.

That's neither stated nor specified.

Yes, his Thor was powerful. We're talking about Superman here though. Even new 52 Superman was ridiculous in that department.

He summoned mjolnir through his chest. His own attacks didn't put a hole through Angrir.

And Thor was weakened and in pain due to the scar from world tree.

But it indicates he isn't more durable than Thor.

If Thor can dent his forehead, Superman is going to crumple him like tinfoil.

And cheapshotted Bill. He cheapshotted Thor too but Thor just shrugged it off and started hammering that ass all over.

Thor stated multiple times his intention to kill Surfer and was the aggressor the vast majority of the time, Fraction was beating the reader over the head with the fact that Thor was out for blood, yet all Thor's efforts were failing miserably.

Originally posted by Fiendish
It's repeatedly reiterated that the Uni-Power wanted to download and replicate the various hero's abilities/powers, it was stated in the recap narration in every issue up until Captain Universe/Silver Surfer.

Yes, but it didn't give he powers of previous hosts to the next host. Daredevil didn't became as strong as Hulk for example.

The Uni-Power was specifically looking to "[B]replicate the appropriate super-human abilites ". By the time it got to Invisible Woman it was enough to allow her to physically go toe-to-toe with and ultimately beat Gladiator.

Sue was using her force fields to amp her strikes. Not her "Hulk level strength" to beat Gladiator.

That's just rubbish.

Are you saying that because Krosakis forcibly took the Uni-Power he didn't have access to the powers collected from the previous bondings?

Yes, because it wasn't provided to next hosts in any situation. Gladiator didn't become invisible after using uni power after all.

That's a contrivance that's not supported by a single thing I can find in the issue, or any of issues leading up to it.

When there is nothing to support the hosts getting the powers of previous hosts to begin with?

Daredevil struggled with random thugs while having uni power FFS.

The only other attack Thor hit Angrir with was a glancing blow at the beginning.

That's funny.

I guess it's possible Fraction intended for Mjolnir just getting summoned to be a more formidable attack than a straight up hurl, after all he did have Thor's headbutt dent Surfer when numerous hammer throws and a charged up hammer strike didn't leave a mark at all.

Perhaps. It doesn't mean Surfer was not getting hurt with mjolnir strikes. Just that he was getting rolled with it.

Yet the only attack that had any effect on Surfer was the physical headbutt, not the numerous attacks from Mjolnir. Is weakened Thor more powerful than Mjolnir?

No. It had more with the fact that Surfer was immobile when Thor headbutted him and didn't had Surfer getting ragdolled like against mjolnir strikes.

Perhaps, if you go only by that and ignore that in that same arc numerous solid hits from Mjolnir had nowhere near that effect. Maybe Surfer has high level resistance to magical weapons these days?

I don't think so. Karnilla brushed Surfer aside with a casual blast in the same arc.

Surfer had so many chances to do to Thor what he did to BRB, yet his only real effort was a simple cosmic bolt 😕 and when that ****ed up Thor's Stellar Armor and revealed the World Tree wound, Surfer went concerned caring friend mode and immediately stopped the fight.

Or maybe Thor is more formidable than BRB. Surfer didn't fare that well against worthy Attuma either.

Thor stated multiple times his intention to kill Surfer and was the aggressor the vast majority of the time, Fraction was beating the reader over the head with the fact that Thor was out for blood, yet all Thor's efforts were failing miserably. [/B]

Thor was continuously weakened in that arc. Even then Surfer couldn't hurt him at all and instead hurt himself when he slammed Thor on mars.

Problem for Surfer is, Superman hits harder than Thor can hope to achieve and is a lot more durable than either Surfer or Thor.

This is not going to end well for Surfer.