Classic Living Tribunal vs Ultimate Ultimates

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Classic Living Tribunal vs Ultimate Ultimates

The team (plus Eternity): http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wUDVJYaPKiE/WZT52crNe7I/AAAAAAAABro/G_6t8alfxy0NPdjPsscreV7USIM_Gt19gCHMYCw/s1600/RCO025.jpg

Who wins?

Team, imo.

After all, the Fifth Cosmos alone bound/incapacitated the First Firmament(the others weren't even required.) So yeah. /shrug

...Though I'm more curious who/what the Fourth Cosmos is intended to be... Lots of nods to Stan Lee here:

mmm

Okay well....thisnis though.....

The living tribunal is set to keep balance. A possible result of the fight is that the team (the different eternities) BREAK a cosmic balance in which case the Tribunal reigns supreme and has ultimate power to rule. In a case where the team decides to just attack the Tribunal without any balance being upset then the team might win. But the issue is that there is no real evidence of the Tribunal being killed by a multiversal being... I mean the Tribunal ahs never really died to cosmic entities or multiversal entities. There is no evidence to point out that the Tribunal can literally die.

The Beyonders killed him but that is a different thing. Completely.

I declare that the tribunal has an upper hand here (me hahaha) for the very moment these BREAK any law the Tribunal should be able to rule.

Im not sure about Infinity (7th cosmos) power. In 7th cosmos the power of "Eternity" was split between two beings (Infinity/Eternity) while in others cosmos they remain in one being?

And Josh, this team have multiple beings with Multiversal power. I agree he should beat any encarnation of cosmos alone (even the FF?). But together, im not sure.

So what are the ultimates exactly

Eternitys from the past cosmos.

Why are they more powerful

And what is the first

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
Why are they more powerful

Than who, Eternity? They're not. The First Firmament—the first universe—only managed to imprison Eternity because was weakened from the Secret Wars event. And we don't know much about the other cosmoses other than what's shown in the scan in the opening post.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Im not sure about Infinity (7th cosmos) power. In 7th cosmos the power of "Eternity" was split between two beings (Infinity/Eternity) while in others cosmos they remain in one being?

And Josh, this team have multiple beings with Multiversal power. I agree he should beat any encarnation of cosmos alone (even the FF?). But together, im not sure.

Even the FF! The Tribunal stands in top of any multiversal being.

Imo FF is more powerful than the 8th Eternity. In the last issue he was beating it in a fight...

Classic LT held two megaverses on the palm of his hand.

Originally posted by "Id"
Classic LT held two megaverses on the palm of his hand.
That was then this is retcon now.

So which one did galactus come from

he was born as the 6th iteration died and the 7th came into existence. anyway, who knows who would win this? classic lt seemed to be above any single iteration, but could he be above 7 of them working together? phukc if i know. how easily did thanos with the IG beat eternity? moderate difficulty maybe? and LT was above the IG, so...

yeah, who knows. if i were forced to pick, i'd probably say the team would wear him down and probably take him, but these types of battles are impossible to gauge. /shrug

As per latest retcon in Ultimates, LT is merely an inner function of Eternity.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EfNlsuxhQ0w/WZSDnvHGsII/AAAAAAAAsGs/WiMq6bR0wNkWf-zkcTIxGrgcXFFhmFiPACLcBGAs/s1600/061_0026.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas
he was born as the 6th iteration died and the 7th came into existence. anyway, who knows who would win this? classic lt seemed to be above any single iteration, but could he be above 7 of them working together? phukc if i know. how easily did thanos with the IG beat eternity? moderate difficulty maybe? and LT was above the IG, so...

yeah, who knows. if i were forced to pick, i'd probably say the team would wear him down and probably take him, but these types of battles are impossible to gauge. /shrug


Starlin retconned his own version of LT and Eternity as universal though. The current iteration of Eternity is the sums of all Eternities.

LT was all hype and no substance.

Why is the first firmiment called the second?

Originally posted by abhilegend
As per latest retcon in Ultimates, LT is merely an inner function of Eternity.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EfNlsuxhQ0w/WZSDnvHGsII/AAAAAAAAsGs/WiMq6bR0wNkWf-zkcTIxGrgcXFFhmFiPACLcBGAs/s1600/061_0026.jpg

Yeah, I lol'd when I read that. Evidently LT's entire purpose/function/being is wholly dependent on the health and stability of Eternity... This heavily implies that Eternity > LT. ermmnone

Ewing basically took this concept, and blanketed LT under it as well:
http://i.imgur.com/sMkFsyD.jpg

😂

I don't know if said cosmology will stick for good, but for now it IS something that needs to be considered in these discussions... leo should put it in his Cosmology thread, tbh. 🙂

yeah, maybe leo should, even though leo doesn't like it. mmm

@abhi: i didn't factor in any of the retcons because the op specifically states CLASSIC lt is the one we're using for this discussion. and while he may have jobbed from time to time, he was undoubtedly far above eternity. /shrug

Originally posted by leonidas
he was born as the 6th iteration died and the 7th came into existence. anyway, who knows who would win this? classic lt seemed to be above any single iteration, but could he be above 7 of them working together? phukc if i know. how easily did thanos with the IG beat eternity? moderate difficulty maybe? and LT was above the IG, so...

yeah, who knows. if i were forced to pick, i'd probably say the team would wear him down and probably take him, but these types of battles are impossible to gauge. /shrug

But Thanos fighted against 616 Eternity, not the Multi Eternity.

Was ever stated or hinted that LT was above Multiversal Eternity?