Classic Living Tribunal vs Ultimate Ultimates

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No. The Tribunal didn't judge. He said he couldn't cause the cosmic hierchy was being formed (basically saying that anything could be done). If he would have judge then Chaos and Order wouldn't have interfered.

Now the Tribunal appears again after Eternity is finally free. But this doesnt mean he is affected or dependent on Eternity. I'll tell you why. And it goes all back to Cosmic balance.

Eternity is one of the 4 entities of balance. Meaning before the secret wars. Every universe had an eternity. But it also had a Mistress Death, and infinity, and an
Oblivion. 4 entities representing balance in each universe and therefore balance in the multiverse.

Now moving back again to the present. Presently we have a Multiversal Eternity. But because of the nature of the Marvel Universe it can also be known that there must be a Multiversal Death, Infinity, and Oblivion. Now who is the one in charge of keeping this balance? The Living Tribunal.

So according to this. Where Eternity opposites Death, and Infinity opposites Oblivion we find the Living Tribunal in the middle representing cosmic balance. Now, this means that - as I said before - the Living Tribunal is independent from any of these characters but again dependent on them as a whole (meaning that if cosmic balance is broken to a point in where the 4 cosmic entities are affected then the LT is also).

Now. Let's create an scenario in where Eternity breaks cosmic balance. Let's say he turns dark and begins to attack Death, Infinity, and Oblivion. Cosmic balance is broken, for eternity represents eternity, and then his role is broken as "eterniy". The Tribunal can then step in and cast judgement on Multiversal Eternity and force him to his normal duties. Now if Oblivion or Death were to do the same....The Tribunal can't cast judgement. Simply because it's the nature of this beings to kill. Similar to what happened with the Beyonders, although the Tribunal stepped in he had no right nor case to stop them. Since the Beyonders wanted the destruction of everything, they were representations of Oblivion. (No cosmic balance being broken)

The LT is a hard character to understand. Mainly because cosmic balance can be interpreted in several ways.

Originally posted by abhilegend
These are your personal views and has been contradicted by on panel showings.

Tell me where. All the información there has been confirmed from several comics through the marvel continuity. Isn't opinion, is understanding the comics.
You can't just read the comic and done, you have to understand what and why things happen in the comic.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Tell me where. All the información there has been confirmed from several comics through the marvel continuity. Isn't opinion, is understanding the comics.
You can't just read the comic and done, you have to understand what and why things happen in the comic.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Show anywhere what you have said is shown on panel.

As i said my comment is based on several comics.

1st. The LT independency from Eternity.

http://http://s1266.photobucket.com/user/Josh-Alexander/media/8f40d9cc818b81cd7b66d60d06ccf92d18770fe9_hq_zpsgwc7lu62.jpg.html?sort=3&o=3

http://http://s1266.photobucket.com/user/Josh-Alexander/media/Screenshot_20170830-100849_zpsllq1ftjz.png.html?sort=3&o=1

As you can see it is specifically stated that the LT answers directly to TOAA. This disclaims what you guys have said about him depending on eternity.

2nd. The Living Tribunal represents the Multiverse.

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As seen in the panel. The Living Tribunal REPRESENTS the multiverse.
Now this is continuity info and therefore is valid. Also, you guys have been wrong to say that Multiversal Eternity represents the Multiverse.

Again this is because eternity only represents everything that is eternal in the Multiverse. The Multiverse however is representation of Eternity, Infinity, Death, Oblivion, Master Order, and the other cosmic entities. This again proves my point that now there MUST be a Multiversal Infinity, Death, etc.

3rd. The LT represents all cosmic entities (He is the balance of the Multiverse)

As you can see his faces represent the various cosmic entities. This proofs my point that the Living Tribunal lies in the middle of the cosmic entities to keep the balance of these.

Conclusion: The fact that Eternity is now Multiversal doesnt mean he is on top of LT. For eternity represents but one aspect of the Multiverse but the LT represents all aspects which creates balance in these. He is the manifestation of the Multiverse (figuratively).

Now you prove where it says that Eternity is above LT.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Show anywhere what you have said is shown on panel.

As i said my comment is based on several comics.

1st. The LT independency from Eternity.

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As you can see it is specifically stated that the LT answers directly to TOAA. This disclaims what you guys have said about him depending on eternity.

2nd. The Living Tribunal represents the Multiverse.

As seen in the panel. The Living Tribunal REPRESENTS the multiverse.
Now this is continuity info and therefore is valid. Also, you guys have been wrong to say that Multiversal Eternity represents the Multiverse.

Again this is because eternity only represents everything that is eternal in the Multiverse. The Multiverse however is representation of Eternity, Infinity, Death, Oblivion, Master Order, and the other cosmic entities. This again proves my point that now there MUST be a Multiversal Infinity, Death, etc.

3rd. The LT represents all cosmic entities (He is the balance of the Multiverse)

As you can see his faces represent the various cosmic entities. This proofs my point that the Living Tribunal lies in the middle of the cosmic entities to keep the balance of these.

Conclusion: The fact that Eternity is now Multiversal doesnt mean he is on top of LT. For eternity represents but one aspect of the Multiverse but the LT represents all aspects which creates balance in these. He is the manifestation of the Multiverse (figuratively).

Now you prove where it says that Eternity is above LT.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
The team (plus Eternity): http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wUDVJYaPKiE/WZT52crNe7I/AAAAAAAABro/G_6t8alfxy0NPdjPsscreV7USIM_Gt19gCHMYCw/s1600/RCO025.jpg

Who wins?

Ultimate Ultimates.

El oh el.

Above links are broken. Am looking to fix the issue sorry.

Not your fault, photobucket refuses to provide its services for free.

Find yourself a new image hosting site. Postimg, imgur, turboimagehost, whatever.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Show anywhere what you have said is shown on panel.

As i said my comment is based on several comics.

1st. The LT independency from Eternity

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As you can see it is specifically stated that the LT answers directly to TOAA. This disclaims what you guys have said about him depending on eternity.

2nd. The Living Tribunal represents the Multiverse.

[/URL][/IMG]

As seen in the panel. The Living Tribunal REPRESENTS the multiverse.
Now this is continuity info and therefore is valid. Also, you guys have been wrong to say that Multiversal Eternity represents the Multiverse.

Again this is because eternity only represents everything that is eternal in the Multiverse. The Multiverse however is representation of Eternity, Infinity, Death, Oblivion, Master Order, and the other cosmic entities. This again proves my point that now there MUST be a Multiversal Infinity, Death, etc.

3rd. The LT represents all cosmic entities (He is the balance of the Multiverse)

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As you can see his faces represent the various cosmic entities. This proofs my point that the Living Tribunal lies in the middle of the cosmic entities to keep the balance of these.

Conclusion: The fact that Eternity is now Multiversal doesnt mean he is on top of LT. For eternity represents but one aspect of the Multiverse but the LT represents all aspects which creates balance in these. He is the manifestation of the Multiverse (figuratively).

Now you prove where it says that Eternity is above LT.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not your fault, photobucket refuses to provide its services for free.

Find yourself a new image hosting site. Postimg, imgur, turboimagehost, whatever.

Manage to upload some right now. Atleast enough to prove my points xd.

Lol, do you not understand the concept of a retcon?

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, do you not understand the concept of a retcon?

I do. Do you??

He does. that's why the recent reveal is being addressed as it made all the previous scans your posting obsolete. The retcon removed the prior establishment from continuity

Wonders of comics....give it a few months and they will probably retcon the retcon

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, do you not understand the concept of a retcon?

Originally posted by -K-M-
He does. that's why the recent reveal is being addressed as it made all the previous scans your posting obsolete. The retcon removed the prior establishment from continuity

Wonders of comics....give it a few months and they will probably retcon the retcon

Incorrect.

First of all the thread is refering to the Classic Living Tribunal (Multiverse 7) against the various Eternities from the current storyline. In that aspect my panels arent obsolete.

Second of all, you got it wrong. The "classic Living Tribunal and the "current" LT are the same in every aspect. So it means that all previous feats of LT still there. Multiverse 8 LT possesses the same roles and abilities of Multiverse 7 LT.

Besides Marvel moving from Multiverse 7 to 8 didnt reboot all information just modified it. For instance, while Eternity was modified in the sence that now he became Multiversal, the samething doesnt apply for the LT. He is the same until proven otherwise.

Here i live you a link to a video on what exactly "All new All different Marvel is".

https://youtu.be/UTvrNHpmKtM

All new All different is simply the advancement of Multiverse 7 into Multiverse 8. It isnt a reboot.

True. Didn't notice it said classic LT to be honest

Originally posted by -K-M-
True. Didn't notice it said classic LT to be honest

Np. Either way as i said. The Tribunal is the same as before, nothing has changed in his character.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
As i said my comment is based on several comics.

1st. The LT independency from Eternity

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As you can see it is specifically stated that the LT answers directly to TOAA. This disclaims what you guys have said about him depending on eternity.

2nd. The Living Tribunal represents the Multiverse.

[/URL][/IMG]

As seen in the panel. The Living Tribunal REPRESENTS the multiverse.
Now this is continuity info and therefore is valid. Also, you guys have been wrong to say that Multiversal Eternity represents the Multiverse.

Again this is because eternity only represents everything that is eternal in the Multiverse. The Multiverse however is representation of Eternity, Infinity, Death, Oblivion, Master Order, and the other cosmic entities. This again proves my point that now there MUST be a Multiversal Infinity, Death, etc.

3rd. The LT represents all cosmic entities (He is the balance of the Multiverse)

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As you can see his faces represent the various cosmic entities. This proofs my point that the Living Tribunal lies in the middle of the cosmic entities to keep the balance of these.

Conclusion: The fact that Eternity is now Multiversal doesnt mean he is on top of LT. For eternity represents but one aspect of the Multiverse but the LT represents all aspects which creates balance in these. He is the manifestation of the Multiverse (figuratively).

Now you prove where it says that Eternity is above LT.

Good try.

[QUOTE=16311586]Originally posted by abhilegend
These do not show what you are trying to convey though.

Good try. [/QUdOTE]

Did you read properly. Cause they do.

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
That was then this is retcon now.

Topic States "CLASSIC" LT. If the Original Poster is referring to this incarnation of LT, than LT is the superior of the two.