Originally posted by quanchi112
It is you saying a 50 percent chance without it based off anything evidence based. Baseless claim.
READ DAMN IT!
I BROKE MY HEAD TO FINALLY CHECK MATE BOTH OF YOU AND NOW YOU WANT TO BLIND YOURSELVES!
COME ON!!!!!!
I SAID THERE ARE NO PROVES TO BACK UP NONE OF OUR CLAIMS. CHANCES ARE 50 50
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
If we put it fair the chances of the Mace to be able to kill the NK is 50-50.Now if he can kill him, that still doesn't mean Sauron will win.
The Night King has the upper hand.
What upper hand? Sauron's feats and numerous abilities both with and without a body are all over the place. The Night King has one combat feat, and one tactical capability, and neither of those outstrip Sauron's capabilities in those same categories.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
LETS BE FAIR THEN.As Saber said, am a REASONABLE man.
Reasonability is debatable, considering you keep reraising the same point repeatedly in an attempt to assert you are right without providing direct proof.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Lets use math since it seems evidence and logic isn't working. ( Cause Dark's Love for Sauron Blinds Him)
I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and ignore this direct insult to me. I will only do this once, so don't push your luck.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
There is NO EVIDENCE TO Say that The Mace will be able to kill the NK. NOR there is EVIDENCE that it CAN'T.
Sure there is. The mace, not being made of common steel, but of metals forged by the Master Crafts Maiar who made the Rings of power, and empowered by that same Maiar with powerful offensive magics, smashes the mace into the thus far featless Night King's face, and he dies. The ability to freeze and shatter common metal does not protect the NK from a blast of magical forces. Nor has any walker shown immunity from injury via other means like concussive forces. Immunity to damage is a fan theory.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
MATHEMATICS would put the probability of the MACE being able to kill the WALKER at 50-50
Umm, where are you getting those numbers?
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
So the probability of SAURON winning this match is limitted to 50%
Where are you getting these numbers?
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Now, once more we need to ask OURSELVES what is the provability of SAURON winning the MATCH IF NK can die to the MACE.
IF the NK iis struck by the mace, or the sword, in any way, the magical blast alone will destroy him. This is indisputable.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The NK is a good swordsman and a good soldier. He can still defend himself pretty well i say. Also he has super strenght.
I want someone... Anyone to tell me how the NK is a good solder/warrior/swordsman without so much as one fight under his belt. The one and only combat feat he ever had was a Javelin Toss.... Thats not swordsmanship.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Now, i'll give you the benefit of the DOUBT and say that in that case SAURON WINS by a bit.
Thats not the benefit of the doubt. A benefit of the doubt would be me saying I'd assume the NK has as much combat skill as say Aragorn or Boromir. Yet we have not seen any of that yet.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Chances are 30-70.
Again, numbers without foundation is not mathematics.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
BUT. Since it is limitted within the 50% margin of probability of Sauron being able to harm the NK, then the PROBABILTY OF SAURON TO WIN IS OF: approx 40%
See above
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
EVEN if the PROBABILITY IS 100. Then again the PROBABILITY OF SAURON TO WIN THIS MATCH IS OF 50% (Which is 100% unlikely since the NK is no fool nor no COMMON FOE)
See above
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
As you can see my fellow friends. THE NK has an advantage!SO NOW PLEASE GO AND FIX YOUR IRRATIONAL VOTES!!
See above. You have eschewed the debate to favor your side based on conjecture.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
What upper hand? Sauron's feats and numerous abilities both with and without a body are all over the place. The Night King has one combat feat, and one tactical capability, and neither of those outstrip Sauron's capabilities in those same categories.Reasonability is debatable, considering you keep reraising the same point repeatedly in an attempt to assert you are right without providing direct proof.
I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and ignore this direct insult to me. I will only do this once, so don't push your luck.
Sure there is. The mace, not being made of common steel, but of metals forged by the Master Crafts Maiar who made the Rings of power, and empowered by that same Maiar with powerful offensive magics, smashes the mace into the thus far featless Night King's face, and he dies. The ability to freeze and shatter common metal does not protect the NK from a blast of magical forces. Nor has any walker shown immunity from injury via other means like concussive forces. Immunity to damage is a fan theory.
Umm, where are you getting those numbers?
Where are you getting these numbers?
IF the NK iis struck by the mace, or the sword, in any way, the magical blast alone will destroy him. This is indisputable.
I want someone... Anyone to tell me how the NK is a good solder/warrior/swordsman without so much as one fight under his belt. The one and only combat feat he ever had was a Javelin Toss.... Thats not swordsmanship.
Thats not the benefit of the doubt. A benefit of the doubt would be me saying I'd assume the NK has as much combat skill as say Aragorn or Boromir. Yet we have not seen any of that yet.
Again, numbers without foundation is not mathematics.
See above
See above
See above. You have eschewed the debate to fvor your side based on conjecture.
OHH WHERE IS YOUR SENSE OF HUMOUR. This is no fight my friend but a discussion. And yes your love (admiration if the word insults you) for SAURON BLINDS YOUR JUDGEMENT.
AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN.
NO PROVES TO BACK UP YOUR/NOR MINE POINTS. The MACE COULD or COULDN'T kill him. 50-50 THAT IS BASIC MATH. DON'T TRY TO INSTRUCT ME IN MATH.
Again its about probability. The NIGHT KING is no fool nor no normal soldier. I SAY HIS CHANCES OF WINNING IS 30-70. BECAUSE SAURON IS STRONGER.
SO IF WE JOIN BOTH PROBABILITIES THEN THE CHANCES OF SAURON WINNING IS ARROUND 40%. IN WHICH CASE NK HAS AN ADVANTAGE.
SAURON COULD STILL WIN THOUGH. 40% IS STILL A CHANCE.
I NEVER SAID THE NK WILL DEFINETLY WIN.
AGAIN me being RATIONAL....in CONTRAST with others.....
Originally posted by quanchi112
Who says it is a maybe ?? You assigning numbers of probability based off a baseless claim. Don't you realize you are backing your claims.
NO. AM SAYING MY CLAIMS AND YOURS ARE NOT BACKED UP! AM BEING RATIONAL AND HUMBLE BY NOT BACKING MY OWN CLAIM. LEAVE YOUR PRIDE PLEASE.
IT IS A MAYBE SINCE NONE OF OUR CLAIMS IS BACKED. You could be right. I could be right!
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
NO. AM SAYING MY CLAIMS AND YOURS ARE [B]NOT BACKED UP! AM BEING RATIONAL AND HUMBLE BY NOT BACKING MY OWN CLAIM. LEAVE YOUR PRIDE PLEASE.IT IS A MAYBE SINCE NONE OF OUR CLAIMS IS BACKED. You could be right. I could be right! [/B]
Cause my Claim is more backed than yours is. YET AM DOING 50 50. See?
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
OHH WHERE IS YOUR SENSE OF HUMOUR. This is no fight my friend but a discussion. And yes your love (admiration if the word insults you) for SAURON BLINDS YOUR JUDGEMENT.AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN.
NO PROVES TO BACK UP YOUR/NOR MINE POINTS. The MACE COULD or COULDN'T kill him. 50-50 THAT IS BASIC MATH. DON'T TRY TO INSTRUCT ME IN MATH.
Again its about probability. The NIGHT KING is no fool nor no normal soldier. I SAY HIS CHANCES OF WINNING IS 30-70. BECAUSE SAURON IS STRONGER.
SO IF WE JOIN BOTH PROBABILITIES THEN THE CHANCES OF SAURON WINNING IS ARROUND 40%. IN WHICH CASE NK HAS AN ADVANTAGE.
SAURON COULD STILL WIN THOUGH. 40% IS STILL A CHANCE.
I NEVER SAID THE NK WILL DEFINETLY WIN.
AGAIN me being RATIONAL....in CONTRAST with others.....
I do have a sense of humor, but I do not find circular debates funny... I do not have blinkers on for any franchise, and you can ask Quan that if you don't believe me. Quan and I have had wars uncounted in these debating forums. I have no favouritism at all because favouritism is meaningless drivel.
But your posting seems to have degenerated into capslock and mudslinging. You are not calm, and you are not in a good state to be debating right now.
Wrong. I did prove it. Quan proved it earlier. The mace is magical. The Walkers have not shown invulnerability to magic. In fact, you never answered my earlier question in what makes Dragonglass or Valyrian Steel special against White Walkers. Since you don't know the answer, I will tell you. It is fire magic. Fire magic is what allows the Valyrian Steel and Dragonglass to kill the Walkers. And since it is fire magic, a power greater than Dragonfire, such as an Ainur's Flame Imperishable, will kill a Walker even more handidly.
You are asserting 50/50 odds of the mace working based on nothing, hence why the math fails. The mace WILL work, because there is no reason to assume it does not. the magical field the mace generates alone is enough to prove my point. Your assertion of 50-50 falls off the rails of suspension of disbelief. I'm not instructing you how to math, I'm asking you to base it on something more real than "because I said so".
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderYou don't know what a baseless claim is. Your entire point is backed by conjecture. You need to prove it.
NO. AM SAYING MY CLAIMS AND YOURS ARE [B]NOT BACKED UP! AM BEING RATIONAL AND HUMBLE BY NOT BACKING MY OWN CLAIM. LEAVE YOUR PRIDE PLEASE.IT IS A MAYBE SINCE NONE OF OUR CLAIMS IS BACKED. You could be right. I could be right! [/B]
Originally posted by quanchi112
It is you saying a 50 percent chance without it based off anything evidence based. Baseless claim.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
What upper hand? Sauron's feats and numerous abilities both with and without a body are all over the place. The Night King has one combat feat, and one tactical capability, and neither of those outstrip Sauron's capabilities in those same categories.Reasonability is debatable, considering you keep reraising the same point repeatedly in an attempt to assert you are right without providing direct proof.
I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and ignore this direct insult to me. I will only do this once, so don't push your luck.
Sure there is. The mace, not being made of common steel, but of metals forged by the Master Crafts Maiar who made the Rings of power, and empowered by that same Maiar with powerful offensive magics, smashes the mace into the thus far featless Night King's face, and he dies. The ability to freeze and shatter common metal does not protect the NK from a blast of magical forces. Nor has any walker shown immunity from injury via other means like concussive forces. Immunity to damage is a fan theory.
Umm, where are you getting those numbers?
Where are you getting these numbers?
IF the NK iis struck by the mace, or the sword, in any way, the magical blast alone will destroy him. This is indisputable.
I want someone... Anyone to tell me how the NK is a good solder/warrior/swordsman without so much as one fight under his belt. The one and only combat feat he ever had was a Javelin Toss.... Thats not swordsmanship.
Thats not the benefit of the doubt. A benefit of the doubt would be me saying I'd assume the NK has as much combat skill as say Aragorn or Boromir. Yet we have not seen any of that yet.
Again, numbers without foundation is not mathematics.
See above
See above
See above. You have eschewed the debate to favor your side based on conjecture.
You know what guys. I realize this now.
Anyone could win this thing.
I DON'T LIKE THIS THREADS cause then they put the ANSWER to WHAT-IFS and MAYBE'S. ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN.
THE MACE MAY SHATTER/IT MIGHT NOT. THE MACE COULD KILL THE NK/IT COULDN'T.
THERE ISN'T REAL/CLEAR EVIDENCE as to prove a VICTOR.
And i respect your POINTS OF VIEWS. Isn't our fault that there isn't enough evidence to better SUPPORT our claims. But it is still funny to IMAGINE ways and use half evidence to STRENGHTEN our ideas. XD 🙂
I Respect your answers.
LETS PUT IT 50/50. Anything could happen. NO REAL ADVANTANGE, BECAUSE THERE IS NO REAL EVIDENCE.
It was funny discussing with your. Good job, you are STUBBORN BASTARDS!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! JUST LIKE I AM! Nice to have people which will fight their points.
*excuse the bad word is mere use of language/no insult ment/ don't take it the wrong way.
And sorry Dark if you felt offended by me saying you love Sauron. Was just kidding.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderThere is usually never going to be a scientific manner in which to prove with 100 percent certainty what happens when two characters from two separate universes with two separate power sets when they clash. The evidence supports Sauron at this time for both greater magic and greater combat feats with the mace. Just accept that Sauron wins. It'll make you feel better.
You know what guys. I realize this now.Anyone could win this thing.
I DON'T LIKE THIS THREADS cause then they put the ANSWER to WHAT-IFS and MAYBE'S. ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN.
THE MACE MAY SHATTER/IT MIGHT NOT. THE MACE COULD KILL THE NK/IT COULDN'T.
THERE ISN'T REAL/CLEAR EVIDENCE as to prove a VICTOR.
And i respect your POINTS OF VIEWS. Isn't our fault that there isn't enough evidence to better SUPPORT our claims. But it is still funny to IMAGINE ways and use half evidence to STRENGHTEN our ideas. XD 🙂
I Respect your answers.
LETS PUT IT 50/50. Anything could happen. NO REAL ADVANTANGE, BECAUSE THERE IS NO REAL EVIDENCE.
It was funny discussing with your. Good job, you are STUBBORN BASTARDS!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! JUST LIKE I AM! Nice to have people which will fight their points.
*excuse the bad word is mere use of language/no insult ment/ don't take it the wrong way.
And sorry Dark if you felt offended by me saying you love Sauron. Was just kidding.
Yeah this threads are TIRESOME but funny.
I use the UPPER CASE to highlight info, not because am angry/molested/upset.
Sorry if your misunderstood my use of characters.
I am very impartial when doing threads. I like to be showed evidence. The same way i give evidence. I've read and watched all these sifi series, books, and movies. My knowledge is enough to defend myself. And i don't doubt you guys have done your research too.
I respect that.
Originally posted by quanchi112
There is usually never going to be a scientific manner in which to prove with 100 percent certainty what happens when two characters from two separate universes with two separate power sets when they clash. The evidence supports Sauron at this time for both greater magic and greater combat feats with the mace. Just accept that Sauron wins. It'll make you feel better.
YEAH but at least in some cases evidence is enough to show a more clear victory. Like in comics you have tons of desplays of the characters abilities and weaknesses. Here we have only few instances.
The NK is still a very mysterious character.
HAHAHAHAHA NEVER. 50 50. I can agree to that.
I don't want to pursue this thread. It is too tiresome. And there is lack of evidence everywhere.
Ill focus more on the Bo5A vs GoT. That one is getting interesting.
And so Dark can has his head clear so he can give me some advices how to use the forces. He claimed to have played several strategic games! HE SOUNDS LIKE A SORT OF TYRION! HAHAHA.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderNight King hasn't shown enough to say he can best Sauron IMO. Sauron's abilities, power, and magic seem too much for the Night King. Let's face it save the dragons the most of the regular soldiers are inferior to the regular soldiers of Lotr.
YEAH but at least in some cases evidence is enough to show a more clear victory. Like in comics you have tons of desplays of the characters abilities and weaknesses. Here we have only few instances.The NK is still a very mysterious character.
HAHAHAHAHA NEVER. 50 50. I can agree to that.
Even your super strong Mountain would be utterly raped by Bolg to the point it wouldn't be close by any stretch of the imagination. And yet he's a big deal in GoT.