Thanos Vs Superman, Captain Marvel & Wonder Woman

Originally posted by Stoic
He took hits from Omega, who happened to be more powerful than Galactus. Odin could not keep him down. So yes he was able to do so before the God Quarry.

Batman hit a baseball just recently when Superman made a bet that he wouldn't be able to. It's most certainly aim dodging by making calculations in his mind. No he isn't FTL, he can just do these types of things due to training. He will also continue to do these types of things, just like Captain America can and has dodged lasers.

So if I were to show him being rocked and affected by Groot, by BP - those showings should be ignored, correct?

Batman outruns HV, AFTER it was fired. By a bloodlusted Superman:

Think about it. Superman was trying to kill Batman - so he was deliberately aiming AT Bats. We clearly see the HV on its way to Batman - BEFORE he moves.

THEN Batman moves out of the way.

Most certainly aim dodging? I don't think so.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So if I were to show him being rocked and affected by Groot, by BP - those showings should be ignored, correct?

Batman outruns HV, AFTER it was fired. By a bloodlusted Superman:

Think about it. Superman was trying to kill Batman - so he was deliberately aiming AT Bats. We clearly see the HV on its way to Batman - BEFORE he moves.

THEN Batman moves out of the way.

Most certainly aim dodging? I don't think so.

You really want to bring low showing into this to make a weak point?
You do realize that Superman was beaten into a KO by a faux
Predator right? KO'd by... Listen, I'm not going to play the low ball
game with you.

Batman could see Superman's eyes, He was going to dodge before the
shot was fired. He knew what Kal was going to do before he did it.

It was calculated.

You're still on this too fast to get hit, or being hit thousands of times
before a reaction I see. Thanos would be able to keep pace in terms of
flight speeds. he would also in character force cube them all up before
they even took flight. All he'd have to do is push a button on his belt.

Originally posted by Stoic
You really want to bring low showing into this to make a weak point?
You do realize that Superman was beaten into a KO by a faux
Predator right? KO'd by... Listen, I'm not going to play the low ball
game with you.

Not the low-ball game. We are actually in agreement,I'm walking things through with you step by step.

Thanos has low showings. We ignore them (and rightly so. I agree 1000%).

How do we know they are low showings?

Because Thanos is capable of so,so much more.

Agreed.

Therefore,should we not ignore Supermans low showings?

Wait, DS, how can they be low showings??

Because Superman is capable of so,so much more.

Batman could see Superman's eyes, He was going to dodge before the
shot was fired. He knew what Kal was going to do before he did it.

It was calculated.

You're still on this too fast to get hit, or being hit thousands of times
before a reaction I see. Thanos would be able to keep pace in terms of
flight speeds. he would also in character force cube them all up before
they even took flight. All he'd have to do is push a button on his belt.

Except you can clearly see that Batman HASN'T moved before the HV had fired. He hasn't even moved when the HV is already halfway towards him.

He only moves AFTER HV has travelled halfway towards him. That's an insane feat.

Imagine ducking out of the way of a torch......when the light has already travelled halfway towards you. And avoiding it. Doesn't matter if you know where the lights gonna hit, lol.

Stoic, you shouldn't bother responding to Darksaint when he is like that.

He isn't debating, he is making-up shit to give a chance to his inanities to pass as arguments. It doesn't work.

That's a waste of time.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Stoic, you shouldn't bother responding to Darksaint when he is like that.

He isn't debating, he is making-up shit to give a chance to his inanities to pass as arguments. It doesn't work.

That's a waste of time.

DS. I stated all of the reasons that I believe that Thanos would not be turned into a statue, and I've based them on his showings against very powerful Herald and above characters (no citations of weaker class characters or to mention that Thanos had just woken up and was still weak).

I've explained how Captain Marvel, and Wonder Woman would likely be lacking and well below the weight class to compete when you consider his run in with Thane. Heck Annihihulk alone would probably need far more than these two when you consider how well they'd do up against a Despero level opponent one on one.

The idea that Thanos was able to keep pace with a Phoenix Avatar capable of warp speeds alone should negate the statue argument.

Then you have his tech which is capable of withstanding Galactus and above level assaults putting it on or very near the level of Captain America's shield, which he can turn outward to trap opponents as strong as a Power Gem wielding Thor for long periods of time. Odin broke out with the Odin Force. The Odin Force could crack Captain America's shield. How does a non sun amped Superman break out of this? Wonder Woman isn't doing it, and neither iis the good Captain.

Then you have TP mixed with mystical might that could play games with Kal's invulnerability level while he was encased.

I'm saying that Thanos has a good shot here. Anymore and it becomes another circular argument. These guys can be beaten. Speed is the only thing that I seem to be reading from the Superman side, while Thanos can obviously deal with speed based on previous performances against speedy characters, not to mention he's somewhat of a speedster these days himself.

Originally posted by Stoic
DS. I stated all of the reasons that I believe that Thanos would not be turned into a statue, and I've based them on his showings against very powerful Herald and above characters (no citations of weaker class characters or to mention that Thanos had just woken up and was still weak).

My point is, why is it a high showing for Thanos (or, an average showing as you say) and NOT a low showing for the Herald and above characters? If BATMAN can do this and that, you and I wouldn't say Batman is that fast - merely that his opponents are making him look good.

I've explained how Captain Marvel, and Wonder Woman would likely be lacking and well below the weight class to compete when you consider his run in with Thane. Heck Annihihulk alone would probably need far more than these two when you consider how well they'd do up against a Despero level opponent one on one.

The idea that Thanos was able to keep pace with a Phoenix Avatar capable of warp speeds alone should negate the statue argument.

Then you have his tech which is capable of withstanding Galactus and above level assaults putting it on or very near the level of Captain America's shield, which he can turn outward to trap opponents as strong as a Power Gem wielding Thor for long periods of time. Odin broke out with the Odin Force. The Odin Force could crack Captain America's shield. How does a non sun amped Superman break out of this? Wonder Woman isn't doing it, and neither iis the good Captain.

Then you have TP mixed with mystical might that could play games with Kal's invulnerability level while he was encased.

I'm saying that Thanos has a good shot here. Anymore and it becomes another circular argument. These guys can be beaten. Speed is the only thing that I seem to be reading from the Superman side, while Thanos can obviously deal with speed based on previous performances against speedy characters, not to mention he's somewhat of a speedster these days himself.

Based on previous performances against speedy characters just means the exact same argument for Batman. I have shown him reacting to HV AFTER it was fired. I can post him tagging Zoom. I can show him etc etc etc.

In a forum fight? If I used those showings seriously? I would get laughed at, lol.

Speed may indeed be the only thing (the team also has WW's magical lasso and her sword, btw), but it is a massive advantage.

Thanos isn't Batman. Batman isn't going to survive a black hole with only a few scratches to show for the damage taken. Thanos has a history of going up against very powerful individuals, and was by canon supposed to climb well above Odin and Zeus on the cosmic hierarchical scale.

I am undecided on how powerful Thanos is or has become, but like I've stated before, he was supposed to become a Galactus the devourer level opponent taking his place on the cosmic scale in terms of power placement, while Galactus has also grown more powerful as the Life Bringer. I've never seen him fly at those speeds before others have stated that he's done it once long ago, but then again long ago, Thanos wasn't even as powerful as he was after his first resurrection. I am undecided, but optimistic that he is at his most powerful ever unaided by an external power source.

Based on the fact that he can fly at warp speeds and Batman can't. Big difference. Mental gymnastics now DS? Seriously? You know that there is a difference. You can put the batman comparison to rest. One has practiced to be an escape artist and read fine muscular twitch motions while the other possesses TP, and is a magically charged cosmic being with futuristic alien tech, and perhaps has been infused with the power of Gods imprisoned in the God Quarry. Again not too sure about it, but we will see.

I've given my opinion. I'll allow for others to give theirs. As far as i can tell, the speed is not going to be a factor here, since Thanos isn't portrayed as a land locked opponent any longer. Anywhere that they can go he can follow. Before they fly at him he can fly away and cube them up, which would allow for him to take his time with the two weakest one on one. How does it look from your perspective? I mean if you were really looking at this with an open mind? Does Thanos have a shot or not? That's all that this boils down to, not your attempts at dragging Thanos down to street level.

Originally posted by Stoic
Thanos isn't Batman. Batman isn't going to survive a black hole with only a few scratches to show for the damage taken. Thanos has a history of going up against very powerful individuals, and was by canon supposed to climb well above Odin and Zeus on the cosmic hierarchical scale.

I am undecided on how powerful Thanos is or has become, but like I've stated before, he was supposed to become a Galactus the devourer level opponent taking his place on the cosmic scale in terms of power placement, while Galactus has also grown more powerful as the Life Bringer. I've never seen him fly at those speeds before others have stated that he's done it once long ago, but then again long ago, Thanos wasn't even as powerful as he was after his first resurrection. I am undecided, but optimistic that he is at his most powerful ever unaided by an external power source.

Based on the fact that he can fly at warp speeds and Batman can't. Big difference. Mental gymnastics now DS? Seriously? You know that there is a difference. You can put the batman comparison to rest. One has practiced to be an escape artist and read fine muscular twitch motions while the other possesses TP, and is a magically charged cosmic being with futuristic alien tech, and perhaps has been infused with the power of Gods imprisoned in the God Quarry. Again not too sure about it, but we will see.

I've given my opinion. I'll allow for others to give theirs. As far as i can tell, the speed is not going to be a factor here, since Thanos isn't portrayed as a land locked opponent any longer. Anywhere that they can go he can follow. Before they fly at him he can fly away and cube them up, which would allow for him to take his time with the two weakest one on one. How does it look from your perspective? I mean if you were really looking at this with an open mind? Does Thanos have a shot or not? That's all that this boils down to, not your attempts at dragging Thanos down to street level.

I'm NOT dragging Thanos down to street level. No, no, no.

I am saying, all the arguments you have posed for Thanos, can be posed for Batman as well. He too has gone up against powerful individuals etc etc etc.

My point is, combat feats ALONE are not the way to go. I can show his durability feats next if you want. But the point remains. Combat feats ON THEIR OWN are iffy, because writers don't care about power levels. They care about writing/drawing sexy fights.

Muscle twitch motions etc means jack all, lol. You are seriously arguing, in effect, that Batman is seriously able to dodge HV AFTER it has been fired, and AFTER it has moved 50% of the distance, towards him. Doesn't matter how trained you are - if I point a torch at you (so you know 100% where the beams will go), you're seriously suggesting one can become so trained, after I switch it on, and after it has traveled half the distance, you are able to jump out of the light?

Come on.

Like usual, Superman will rush at Thanos and get a backhand...

So will the other characters...

Thanos wins easily.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm NOT dragging Thanos down to street level. No, no, no.

I am saying, all the arguments you have posed for Thanos, can be posed for Batman as well. He too has gone up against powerful individuals etc etc etc.

[b]My point is, combat feats ALONE are not the way to go. I can show his durability feats next if you want. But the point remains. Combat feats ON THEIR OWN are iffy, because writers don't care about power levels. They care about writing/drawing sexy fights.

Muscle twitch motions etc means jack all, lol. You are seriously arguing, in effect, that Batman is seriously able to dodge HV AFTER it has been fired, and AFTER it has moved 50% of the distance, towards him. Doesn't matter how trained you are - if I point a torch at you (so you know 100% where the beams will go), you're seriously suggesting one can become so trained, after I switch it on, and after it has traveled half the distance, you are able to jump out of the light?

Come on. [/B]

You're using one instance as a basis of your entire argument. Not good enough. I'm also not concerned about your opinion of what you may believe is behind every writer. They all know how powerful Thanos is, some have attempted to write him below average even, but his average is to be able to combat Odin level opponents. He may have been on the losing end back in the day, but the difference between them seemed more like the difference between Namor and the Hercules.

Thanos has always been portrayed as being able to deal with High Herald threats with ease, and now he's even more powerful. You bringing up what could have been a PIS moment doesn't have to extend to every other character out there. You even attempted to low ball, do mental gymnastics and other strange things in order to prove something that can't be proven. You can not prove that a blitz will occur, or more importantly that it will work against a guy that has shut them down in the past. Force cube tech is something that none of them have a defense against, then onto the mind rape session, and the mystical torture laced with molecular and cosmic might. All have been used by Thanos.

I'm not buying the writers love sexy fights. i'm talking about guidelines that they must adhere to in order to portray characters properly, or should Thanos be Captain America level in one book, and Odin level in the next? You have yet to answer whether or not Thanos has a shot here, because you're still on this too fast for you notion. Keep going with it. I don't agree based on his performances, and calling PIS every time you don't like an outcome isn't enough to justify the ruling 100% of the time. I'm not buying it. maybe others will. Not to mention that like I said several times. Thanos has other ways of dealing with the blitz. it's up to you to accept it... Or not.

Seems like I'm not the only one having this kind of argument against Darksaint and lol, he is using Batman yet again. WTF man.

Originally posted by carver9
Seems like I'm not the only one having this kind of argument against Darksaint and lol, he is using Batman yet again. WTF man.

The next "argument" he will use will be that John Constantine is real...

He never gets tired.

The fact that Batman has better speed feats than Thanos, Thor, Hulk etc. and the troll-gang can do nothing about it is hilarious.

It's like watching children get told Santa isn't real.

Originally posted by Stoic
You're using one instance as a basis of your entire argument. Not good enough. I'm also not concerned about your opinion of what you may believe is behind every writer. They all know how powerful Thanos is, some have attempted to write him below average even, but his average is to be able to combat Odin level opponents. He may have been on the losing end back in the day, but the difference between them seemed more like the difference between Namor and the Hercules.

One instance? Batman has tagged Zoom, been suckerpunched by a bloodlsuted WW (with her GoW amp, and when he was half naked), destroyed creatures Flash couldn't even touch....

Oh wait, maybe you're saying one character?

Spiderman has hurt Angrir, an amped Thing. Survived a beating from Colossus, a class...60?70? guy, when he had the Cytorrak amp AND the Phoenix 5 amp. Survived a beating from Magik, who also had the P5 amp, AND was a Hell Lord. Beat a herald too, cleanly, with just his fists. Hurt the Hulk, etc etc.

There. Based on his combat feats, Spiderman (so not DC) is herald/trans level.

But I do like how you say I am clinging to ONE instance, when your only speed feat for Thanos is......the fight with Thane. Lol.

You can not prove that a blitz will occur, or more importantly that it will work against a guy that has shut them down in the past.

Force cube tech is something that none of them have a defense against, then onto the mind rape session, and the mystical torture laced with molecular and cosmic might. All have been used by Thanos.

I'm not buying the writers love sexy fights. i'm talking about guidelines that they must adhere to in order to portray characters properly, or should Thanos be Captain America level in one book, and Odin level in the next? You have yet to answer whether or not Thanos has a shot here, because you're still on this too fast for you notion. Keep going with it. I don't agree based on his performances, and calling PIS every time you don't like an outcome isn't enough to justify the ruling 100% of the time. I'm not buying it. maybe others will. Not to mention that like I said several times. Thanos has other ways of dealing with the blitz. it's up to you to accept it... Or not.

It happens. Some guys are written to look good. Just because they perform well, doesn't necessarily mean they are that good - sometimes, the writer is dumbing the others down.

Originally posted by carver9
Seems like I'm not the only one having this kind of argument against Darksaint and lol, he is using Batman yet again. WTF man.

Changed it up to abstract level Spiderman, just for you buddy 👆

Originally posted by Philosophía
The fact that Batman has better speed feats than Thanos, Thor, Hulk etc. and the troll-gang can do nothing about it is hilarious.

It's like watching children get told Santa isn't real.

Honestly that's logical that Batman has better speed feats in hand to hand than Thanos.

Batman relies on finesse and Thanos in a combination of hard punches.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Changed it up to abstract level Spiderman, just for you buddy 👆

Can Spider-man beat real life John Constantine ? 👆

Originally posted by carver9
Seems like I'm not the only one having this kind of argument against Darksaint and lol, he is using Batman yet again. WTF man.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

One instance? Batman has tagged Zoom, been suckerpunched by a bloodlsuted WW (with her GoW amp, and when he was half naked), destroyed creatures Flash couldn't even touch....

Oh wait, maybe you're saying one character?

Spiderman has hurt Angrir, an amped Thing. Survived a beating from Colossus, a class...60?70? guy, when he had the Cytorrak amp AND the Phoenix 5 amp. Survived a beating from Magik, who also had the P5 amp, AND was a Hell Lord. Beat a herald too, cleanly, with just his fists. Hurt the Hulk, etc etc.

There. Based on his combat feats, Spiderman (so not DC) is herald/trans level.

But I do like how you say I am clinging to ONE instance, when your only speed feat for Thanos is......the fight with Thane. Lol.

I showed him using it against Darkseid, when he had general knowledge of him.

As have speed, WW's lasso, and her sword. She used both (along with her skill and speed) against Darkseid when they first met - no posturing, no holding back, she stabbed him in the eye, and choked him with the lasso.

They don't adhere to guidelines, lol. Cho can cause Richter 123 class earthquakes in one comic, then a couple weeks later, fail to break a rock, even with substantial help. Kingpin can be a 'normal' human - but break steel doors down. Spiderman can take out people with the power of Thor.

It happens. Some guys are written to look good. Just because they perform well, doesn't necessarily mean they are that good - sometimes, the writer is dumbing the others down. [/B]

Batman isn't in this thread. Nor does he have anything in common with Thanos who has been consistently portrayed as more than a team wrecker. Up until now he made very few appearances. This means that his average is high. Why did I have to explain this to you? Oh yeah back to the head games right? No? Then answer the question. Does Thanos have a shot?

This is Thanos, not Darkseid. Thanos employs other methods to win. Like his tech for instance. Wonder Woman wouldn't have the chance to stab him in the eye when she was encased in pure force.

The Hulk has differing levels of strength. Cho Hulk again isn't Thanos. Thanos once again if you didn't understand it the first time, has been portrayed pretty much on the high end on average. Unless of course you want to bring in the times that he was in a weakened state. Oh, but you did that already.

The writer dumbing the others down... LOL. That would mean something if Thanos wasn't constantly portrayed on the high end. You have nothing. Not one bad showing to call on when it comes to Thanos, because he wasn't a mainstream character up until more recently when he got his own book, and in it, it shows what he had accomplished in the future. I'd say that it was pretty impressive. Or should we look at Thanos the way that we look at the Rhino, so that you can attempt to make a point of it? Again, you won't find one poor showing when he is on his A Game. not even one.

So again, does he have a shot?