Thanos Vs Superman, Captain Marvel & Wonder Woman

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. You do understand the concept of differing levels of speed, right?

Captain America has superspeed. Quicksilver has superspeed. Silver Surfer has superspeed. Black Panther has superspeed.

BP has tagged Surfer. Pretty sure Cap has tagged QS. Doesn't make them equal. A slower character tagging a faster character is.....PIS.

Btw, I wanted to draw this point:

False. We know exactly how Superman would have treated WW, in the face of an alien threat:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/wE1NKdrA1HCdnZSypdD9bh4rwb34NdaVlEaHfJqnHJ_kJayXe8Obrj-QEqNoDyPvh774tlVoFRGW=s1600

In their FIRST ever meeting, he already acknowledges that this isn't some pretty damsel who needs looking after.

Later, when he comes back from Apokolips to fight DS, he's pissed as hell. Does he tell the others to hang back? Puff his chest out, and let DS tag him 'to get the measure of him?' See how powerful this alien despot is?

No. He had general knowledge of DS:
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And used his speed:
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No 'Hey, stand back guys, only I can handle this menace on my own!'.

Does Thanos actually have any speed feats? Combat feats are iffy - I have said this many a time, we need to take both 'space cheese' and combat feats together.

Relying on combat feats alone, turns Batman and Cap into abstracts, lol.

Heralds of Galactus can cross light years in seconds. What exactly are you saying? Let's ignore the fact that the Surfer can move this fast, and forget that this wasn't him pushing to the extent of his ability? He can actually move faster than this, because when he pushed it, he broke the time barrier. Not to mention that he was able to outrace the destruction of reality more recently. Thanos has no problem with this type of threat. Not to mention that we are going back into ways that Superman does not actually fight on panel in order to place ourselves in his shoes. Can't work like that.

Thanos at the very start, can force cube either of them, and let them out one by one to deal with one on one. Let's not forget this. What is speed then?

Originally posted by Stoic
Marvel has very fast characters as well, and while I see that you are using this argument to spark a debate that would have us bringing up the fastest from either company, I assure you that Marvel has speedsters that can keep up with Superman if not surpass his speed. Let's not pretend as if the Flash wouldn't run rings around Superman. We are talking about Superman, and not the rest of the speedy characters that exist in DC. Thanos has hit fast characters, which is something that I won't ignore.

The EMO EGGPLANT has hit fast characters but very few who are as fast as Superman. Also, as with all things the characters portrayals count. Norrin's passive nature is always a factor in his fights.

Outisde of Surfer who has The Mad Titan faced that is as definitively as fast as Superman?

Originally posted by Stoic
Heralds of Galactus can cross light years in seconds. What exactly are you saying? Let's ignore the fact that the Surfer can move this fast, and forget that this wasn't him pushing to the extent of his ability? He can actually move faster than this, because when he pushed it, he broke the time barrier. Not to mention that he was able to outrace the destruction of reality more recently. Thanos has no problem with this type of threat. Not to mention that we are going back into way that Superman does not actually fight on panel in order to place ourselves in his shoes. Can't work like that.

Flashes can outrun Death, time,light....but Batman can tag them.

Deathstroke can tag them.

Captain Boomerang, a guy with carved wooden sticks, can tag him. Professor Zoom SPEED BLITZES Flashes.

Batman tags him.

I am saying that if we only rely on combat feats, Batman and Cap become abstracts.

Does Thanos have any speed feats, that aren't against other characters? Because writers make faster characters slow to make a sexy fight. The recent Thor Odin fight was a good example of a great speed feat. Saturn to Jupiter in the time it takes to throw two punches.

That kinda thing.

Does not fight on panel? I LITERALLY showed you him speeding lol against DS.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The EMO EGGPLANT has hit fast characters but very few who are as fast as Superman. Also, as with all things the characters portrayals count. Norrin's passive nature is always a factor in his fights.

Outisde of Surfer who has The Mad Titan faced that is as definitively as fast as Superman?

He killed Hyperion. He also has force cubes.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Flashes can outrun Death, time,light....but Batman can tag them.

Deathstroke can tag them.

Captain Boomerang, a guy with carved wooden sticks, can tag him. Professor Zoom SPEED BLITZES Flashes.

Batman tags him.

I am saying that if we only rely on combat feats, Batman and Cap become abstracts.

Does Thanos have any speed feats, that aren't against other characters? Because writers make faster characters slow to make a sexy fight. The recent Thor Odin fight was a good example of a great speed feat. Saturn to Jupiter in the time it takes to throw two punches.

That kinda thing.

Does not fight on panel? I LITERALLY showed you him speeding lol against DS.

Batman not even a month ago had a bet that he could hit a baseball that Superman pitched. Guess who won the bet? I really hope that you're not making it seem as if the Surfer is slow in comparison to any of these guys besides perhaps the Flash, but then again, Superman isn't as fast as the Flash is he? You see?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Flashes can outrun Death, time,light....but Batman can tag them.

Deathstroke can tag them.

Captain Boomerang, a guy with carved wooden sticks, can tag him. Professor Zoom SPEED BLITZES Flashes.

Batman tags him.

I am saying that if we only rely on combat feats, Batman and Cap become abstracts.

Does Thanos have any speed feats, that aren't against other characters? Because writers make faster characters slow to make a sexy fight. The recent Thor Odin fight was a good example of a great speed feat. Saturn to Jupiter in the time it takes to throw two punches.

That kinda thing.

Does not fight on panel? I LITERALLY showed you him speeding lol against DS.

If he hit them in a story, it means that he can hit them.

You don't have to try to be clever in a round about fashion in order for me to know what you're driving at here either. You're trying to say that Superman never has to be hit here, but I'm telling you that according to what we see on panel, he would be hit. This is not Mammoth that he's facing. Thanos has other means of slowing a speedy character. He has tech, telepathy, magic, and several other powers to even the odds. You're only bringing speed to the table at this point.

Oh, and Thanos can fly now as well. Very fast i might add.

Originally posted by Stoic
Batman not even a month ago had a bet that he could hit a baseball that Superman pitched. Guess who won the bet? I really hope that you're not making it seem as if the Surfer is slow in comparison to any of these guys besides perhaps the Flash, but then again, Superman isn't as fast as the Flash is he? You see?

Exactly.

So am I allowed to say Batman is faster than or equal to Flash? Superman? Because Batman has reacted to both?

Superman, btw, tagged Flash. Just a combat feat, but as a cheese feat,used Flashs own cosmic treadmill to travel through time.

He's is the same league as Flash, pardon the pun.

So again, my question. Does Thanos have any speed feats that aren't combat? Because combat feats alone are not a good indicator of a characters speed.

Originally posted by Stoic
If he hit them in a story, it means that he can hit them.

You don't have to try to be clever in a round about fashion in order for me to know what you're driving at here either. You're trying to say that Superman never has to be hit here, but I'm telling you that according to what we see on panel, he would be hit. This is Mammoth that he's facing. Thanos has other means of slowing a speedy character. He has tech, telepathy, magic, and several other powers to even the odds. You're only bringing speed to the table at this point.

Because it doesn't matter how many methods you have.

Scarlet Witxh can do everything and anything with magic. But she has human level reactions. QS has only speed.

Guess who'd win in a forum fight, zero prep, no auto shields?

You can give me a magical gun from the future that freezes time and farts magic ESP rainbow unicorns...won't help me do anything against a bullet, lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Exactly.

So am I allowed to say Batman is faster than or equal to Flash? Superman? Because Batman has reacted to both?

Superman, btw, tagged Flash. Just a combat feat, but as a cheese feat,used Flashs own cosmic treadmill to travel through time.

He's is the same league as Flash, pardon the pun.

So again, my question. Does Thanos have any speed feats that aren't combat? Because combat feats alone are not a good indicator of a characters speed.

Batman doesn't use speed, he uses calculations to hit faster opponents, just like Deathstroke, and Captain America. This is what they train for. Batman among them all is the greatest escape artist on DC Earth when Mister Miracle isn't around.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

So, PIS,. Got ya.

Because it doesn't matter how many methods you have.

Scarlet Witxh can do everything and anything with magic. But she has human level reactions. QS has only speed.

Guess who'd win in a forum fight, zero prep, no auto shields?

You can give me a magical gun from the future that freezes time and farts magic ESP rainbow unicorns...won't help me do anything against a bullet, lol. [/B]

Unlike these other characters, Thanos can take hits from Sky Father level beings, and beyond and get up and fight. he can also place a force cube around his opponent heads and shift into his cosmic form. he can also fly as fast as a Phoenix Avatar, which was able to effortlessly catch up to a star ship.

So it was PIS that Thanos consistently hits faster characters while they are fighting in character? Not PIS. CIS. And maybe not even that. Perhaps he is just fast enough to do so, or has methods of slowing them down so that he can hit them. You can't out range TP, or magic dude.

Running/Flying =/= Fighting in close-combat.

I don't get what is so hard to understand.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Running/Flying =/= Fighting in close-combat.

I don't get what is so hard to understand.

Your premise and the examples you've given to support them DON'T make sense THAT is why it is hard to understand.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Your premise and the examples you've given to support them DON'T make sense THAT is why it is hard to understand.

I mean that some people use the speed of the characters when they run or fly as an argument to say that they would be quick in a hand-to-hand situation when both doesn't correlate.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's why I argue for both 'space cheese' (which shouldn't be ignored) and combat feats.

TBH it doesn’t matter because the sane shit gets ignored every time

Originally posted by RealityWarper
I mean that some people use the speed of the characters when they run or fly as an argument to say that they would be quick in a hand-to-hand situation when both doesn't correlate.

Superman can and has thrown dozens or more punches per second. it isn't Flash level, but it is super speed punching. Diana also has this capability. I mean if she can deflect machine gun fire without being hit once, I'd say that she can throw dozens of punches per second. The thing here is that Thanos can take dozens of punches per second and still be able to perform rudimentary tasks, like pushing the button on his belt to throw up shields, or place someone within a force cube.

Originally posted by Stoic
Batman doesn't use speed, he uses calculations to hit faster opponents, just like Deathstroke, and Captain America. This is what they train for. Batman among them all is the greatest escape artist on DC Earth when Mister Miracle isn't around.

So no, not aim dodging. He's actually dodging lightspeed attacks.

By your logic, that makes Batman FTL. Assuming we only use combat feats.

Unlike these other characters, Thanos can take hits from Sky Father level beings, and beyond and get up and fight. he can also place a force cube around his opponent heads and shift into his cosmic form. he can also fly as fast as a Phoenix Avatar, which was able to effortlessly catch up to a star ship.

And if we use your logic, Thanos has also been beaten down by War Machine, by Groot. Does that make them Skyfather beyond? Does Thanos have combat durability and space cheese durability? No! It means PIS, right?

Originally posted by Stoic
Thanos at the very start, can force cube either of them, and let them out one by one to deal with one on one. Let's not forget this. What is speed then?

Using speed, they can avoid this. Remember he is a statue in their perception.

Originally posted by h1a8
Using speed, they can avoid this. Remember he is a statue in their perception.

In your mind only. He has hit characters as fast. You also showed up right on time. His force fields will take anything that they can throw at him. They are most certainly comparable to Captain America's shield. A Galactus level character is about what it would take to fracture Cap's shield (the Serpent was able to do so, King Thor buckled it, etc). Thanos' shield tolerance also max out at about this level (being able to take hits from Galactus, Omega, Odin, PG Thor, etc).

Thanos has very fast travel speed feats that makes the statue argument less weighty. It allowed for him to keep pace with a Phoenix Avatar that was capable of overtaking a star ship effortlessly. Please stop bringing it up, you're wrong.

Thanos in character, would immediately BFR one or two of them from the start, or force cube them up like he did to PG Thor, and attempted to do to Odin. There is an unknown about his current power level, but he was able to contend with a character that ripped Gladiator to shreds in moments. You do remember Annihihulk right? Well I believe that Thanos has grown even more powerful these days since he fought evenly against a Phoenix avatar. One fifth of this power was able to ruin Gladiator. Thane possessed a larger portion. Wonder Woman, and Captain Marvel should in all actuality be fodder here, in terms of power, or the lacking of power to contend.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Batman outreacts HV AFTER it has been fired. By a bloodlusted Superman.

So no, not aim dodging. He's actually dodging lightspeed attacks.

By your logic, that makes Batman FTL. Assuming we only use combat feats.

Has he done this before the God Quarry? I know you see this as an amp, which makes it in admissible.

And if we use your logic, Thanos has also been beaten down by War Machine, by Groot. Does that make them Skyfather beyond? Does Thanos have combat durability and space cheese durability? No! It means PIS, right?

He took hits from Omega, who happened to be more powerful than Galactus. Odin could not keep him down. So yes he was able to do so before the God Quarry.

Batman hit a baseball just recently when Superman made a bet that he wouldn't be able to. It's most certainly aim dodging by making calculations in his mind. No he isn't FTL, he can just do these types of things due to training. He will also continue to do these types of things, just like Captain America can and has dodged lasers.