Thanos Vs Superman, Captain Marvel & Wonder Woman

Originally posted by Stoic
I wasn't able to complete my thought, I became distracted.

If Thanos were traveling at the same rate of speed as they were, they would not be able to make him seem as if he were a statue. Which is something that Batman, and the Hulk could not do. The only thing faster about them would be their punches. While this could be a hindrance to another character that did not have the TOOLS that Thanos brings to this fight (Force Cube Tech), it could be disastrous. This little fact nullifies anyone that took a hard stance on speed trumps all. This is after all what this is about right? Do you think that I'm keeping up with you yet man? Shrug/

sigh...condescending shrugs aside, this is the crux of the problem:

If Thanos were traveling at the same rate of speed as they were

😐

well, if darksaint were traveling at the same rate of speed they were he wouldn't be a statue either.... thing is, i don't think he has the speed feats they do, so i don't think we can reliably say he could achieve the same speeds as them. to suggest thanos CAN attain the same speeds, you supplied some proof of your opinion. thor has BETTER speed feats than thanos, ergo, he should more easily be able to keep up with them. if not, then a double standard applies.

you're going to fall into a discussion about thanos's offense. let's say he force cubes them all and wins. it doesn't matter to me. i'm questioning his ability to react at all to them, and the proof you use to support it. he can force cube, or take them out BECAUSE he can react to them. he can react to them because of the proof you showed. thor has better speed feats, therefore he could react to them as well. which of course leads to some crazy conclusions.

could thanos ko them? of course he would be capable of doing so. the despero showing is meaningless here. we've seen jonn go one on one with him. superman has done likewise. however, for any of his tech/attacks/gear to be able to take them out, he'd need to attack them with it. i could ask if he's ever force cubed someone moving at light or near light speed i suppose but it's sort of pointless. you think i'm trying to corner you but i never actually was. i was legit curious if you thought his speed feats were enough to contend with the speed on the team. i clearly don't but i think he brings more than just speed. you are sticking to the proof you have and saying it is enough. which means it would be enough for thor or hulk or....a load of others since it's a PERCEPTUAL/REACTIONAL issue.

anyway, i'm good. all you had to say was yes, his speed feats are enough for me. i'd have said, i think you're crazy, pointed out the flaws and been on my way having not changed your opinion. ftr i do NOT nor have i ever thought speed would be the end all in this fight. i really don't know who would win. current thanos is not something i follow. past thanos would make this interesting. if he IS more powerful, that tips the scales maybe. but i was never trying to comment on who would win, just try and figure out what you feel constituted solid proof.

Here, Runner is moving faster than thought and Thanos is still able to follow his movement and attempt to blast him with eye beams. Runner is moving significantly faster than any one of the team.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111142536/4008441-runnerthanos3.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas
sigh...condescending shrugs aside, this is the crux of the problem:

[b]If Thanos were traveling at the same rate of speed as they were

😐

well, if darksaint were traveling at the same rate of speed they were he wouldn't be a statue either.... thing is, i don't think he has the speed feats they do, so i don't think we can reliably say he could achieve the same speeds as them. to suggest thanos CAN attain the same speeds, you supplied some proof of your opinion. thor has BETTER speed feats than thanos, ergo, he should more easily be able to keep up with them. if not, then a double standard applies.

you're going to fall into a discussion about thanos's offense. let's say he force cubes them all and wins. it doesn't matter to me. i'm questioning his ability to react at all to them, and the proof you use to support it. he can force cube, or take them out BECAUSE he can react to them. he can react to them because of the proof you showed. thor has better speed feats, therefore he could react to them as well. which of course leads to some crazy conclusions.

could thanos ko them? of course he would be capable of doing so. the despero showing is meaningless here. we've seen jonn go one on one with him. superman has done likewise. however, for any of his tech/attacks/gear to be able to take them out, he'd need to attack them with it. i could ask if he's ever force cubed someone moving at light or near light speed i suppose but it's sort of pointless. you think i'm trying to corner you but i never actually was. i was legit curious if you thought his speed feats were enough to contend with the speed on the team. i clearly don't but i think he brings more than just speed. you are sticking to the proof you have and saying it is enough. which means it would be enough for thor or hulk or....a load of others since it's a PERCEPTUAL/REACTIONAL issue.

anyway, i'm good. all you had to say was yes, his speed feats are enough for me. i'd have said, i think you're crazy, pointed out the flaws and been on my way having not changed your opinion. ftr i do NOT nor have i ever thought speed would be the end all in this fight. i really don't know who would win. current thanos is not something i follow. past thanos would make this interesting. if he IS more powerful, that tips the scales maybe. but i was never trying to comment on who would win, just try and figure out what you feel constituted solid proof. [/B]

Where did the condescension begin? Because I'm glad that you noticed.

I gave my reasoning you've attempted to unravel it by ignoring that if he were moving or capable of moving at the same rate of travel speeds, they would not be able to render him into this statue that you have tried to place him in. The only thing that they would have is punching and kicking speeds. This will remain true.

This is why you can not compare him to the Hulk, Batman, or even Thor who would has one hand tied by holding a hammer. You're first paragraph seems baseless to me. Thanos kept pace with a Phoenix Avatar. There is no reason for you to make more of it than it is or to attempt to attack his flight speeds.

You continue with the strawman tactics. Dark Saint, Thor, Batman, and the Hulk are not in this thread. I could see if you were basing this off of a character that Thanos had a run in with in terms of aerial combat, but there is nothing that you are comparing him to. He easily reacted to the Fallen One. You bring up Batman. So we skip ahead to Thanos keeping pace with a Phoenix Avatar that was able to rapidly close the distance on a star ship moving at warp speeds. This is now not enough. In comes Thor, who has no right to even be in the topic.

You wanted to know what I felt, or believed to be more precise, on what constituted in my mind as proof that he could keep pace? Hmm. I've made the statement over and over, and have yet to change my stance. There is no mystery unless all along you ignored everything that I wrote up until this point.

I believe that the only thing that they have on him in terms of a speed advantage is punching and kicking speed. This as I mentioned can be dealt with by his tech. Are you having doubts of whether he has grown more powerful, than he was prior to entering the God Quarry? Well after successfully escaping a trap that seemed similar to the Source Wall, he appears to have grown more powerful IMO. If not, and he is the very same guy, ask yourself when the last time you saw him fly? Not levitate, but actually fly. If he could fly, why did he resort to battling the Fallen One the way that he did? Why did he use his tech chair to travel through space, etc?

You think I'm crazy for thinking this? Go ahead, I believe that you are being ignorant to the evidence being presented because of a hard stance that you took several days, but whatever.

Look closely at this Leo.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Here, Runner is moving faster than thought and Thanos is still able to follow his movement and attempt to blast him with eye beams. Runner is moving significantly faster than any one of the team.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111142536/4008441-runnerthanos3.jpg

Is it PIS, or is he reacting? So You see, my thoughts aren't so ridiculous. However, if you still feel that way, cool. Different strokes, for different folks.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Here, Runner is moving faster than thought and Thanos is still able to follow his movement and attempt to blast him with eye beams. Runner is moving significantly faster than any one of the team.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111142536/4008441-runnerthanos3.jpg

Originally posted by Stoic
Where did the condescension begin? Because I'm glad that you noticed.

I gave my reasoning you've attempted to unravel it by ignoring that if he were moving or capable of moving at the same rate of travel speeds, they would not be able to render him into this statue that you have tried to place him in. The only thing that they would have is punching and kicking speeds. This will remain true.

This is why you can not compare him to the Hulk, Batman, or even Thor who would has one hand tied by holding a hammer. You're first paragraph seems baseless to me. Thanos kept pace with a Phoenix Avatar. There is no reason for you to make more of it than it is or to attempt to attack his flight speeds.

You continue with the strawman tactics. Dark Saint, Thor, Batman, and the Hulk are not in this thread. I could see if you were basing this off of a character that Thanos had a run in with in terms of aerial combat, but there is nothing that you are comparing him to. He easily reacted to the Fallen One. You bring up Batman. So we skip ahead to Thanos keeping pace with a Phoenix Avatar that was able to rapidly close the distance on a star ship moving at warp speeds. This is now not enough. In comes Thor, who has no right to even be in the topic.

You wanted to know what I felt, or believed to be more precise, on what constituted in my mind as proof that he could keep pace? Hmm. I've made the statement over and over, and have yet to change my stance. There is no mystery unless all along you ignored everything that I wrote up until this point.

I believe that the only thing that they have on him in terms of a speed advantage is punching and kicking speed. This as I mentioned can be dealt with by his tech. Are you having doubts of whether he has grown more powerful, than he was prior to entering the God Quarry? Well after successfully escaping a trap that seemed similar to the Source Wall, he appears to have grown more powerful IMO. If not, and he is the very same guy, ask yourself when the last time you saw him fly? Not levitate, but actually fly. If he could fly, why did he resort to battling the Fallen One the way that he did? Why did he use his tech chair to travel through space, etc?

You think I'm crazy for thinking this? Go ahead, I believe that you are being ignorant to the evidence being presented because of a hard stance that you took several days, but whatever.

Look closely at this Leo.

Is it PIS, or is he reacting? So You see, my thoughts aren't so ridiculous. However, if you still feel that way, cool. Different strokes, for different folks.

Originally posted by JBL
So true. Runner would make anyone on that team look like a dead snail in the speed and reflex department.

It was stated that with the Space Gem he could reach the ends of the universe in an instant, so... Yeah most likely.

You hear that Leo? I guess you're getting destroyed.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Here, Runner is moving faster than thought and Thanos is still able to follow his movement and attempt to blast him with eye beams. Runner is moving significantly faster than any one of the team.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111142536/4008441-runnerthanos3.jpg

So you posted a scan of him failing....and that's.....proof?

WW was tracking Zoom. Same exact Zoom who was treating bloodlusted amped Wally like a child.

This is ignoring the Big S.

And the guy who is meant to be his equal (and who JBL for example has argued in the past is DEF his equal).

Zoom and Flash were fighting at lightspeed. Flash had to be amped to reach lightspeed in an instant to catch up to Zoom. Superman, WW and Captain Marvel were all frozen in place. So we know for a fact that none of them can blitz at that speed or fight at that speed. So common sense should tell you that WW was tracking a FAR slower moving Zoom. Thanos knew that Runner speed atleast doubled, so yes, Thanos tracked him at faster than light. Good job Stoic, you nailed it, caused a panic, but you nailed it.

Originally posted by JBL
Zoom and Flash were fighting at lightspeed. Flash had to be amped to reach lightspeed in an instant to catch up to Zoom. Superman, WW and Captain Marvel were all frozen in place. So we know for a fact that none of them can blitz at that speed or fight at that speed. So common sense should tell you that WW was tracking a FAR slower moving Zoom. Thanos knew that Runner speed atleast doubled, so yes, Thanos tracked him at faster than light. Good job Stoic, you nailed it, caused a panic, but you nailed it.

Ah,good catch.

So your argument is that characters don't perform at 100% in EVERY single appearance.

Makes sense.

How fast was Runner when he was literally running rings around Thanos?

How fast was Fallen One when he was stopped by Thanos?

After all,like you yourself said, and brought up,there's this whole fresh new concept, that characters don't go all out in every appearance.

Thanos says his instrumentation tracks him at double the speed. Double....what?

Originally posted by Stoic
There is no reason for you to make more of it than it is or to attempt to attack his flight speeds.

i haven't attacked anything. i'm not even sure what you are talking about. i said many characters have similar or better feats but that doesn't mean they can keep up with superman/glads/runner type characters. somehow it seems they ARE enough for thanos though.

You continue with the strawman tactics. Dark Saint, Thor, Batman, and the Hulk are not in this thread.

they aren't strawmen at all. i asked you a very simple and direct question, and you STILL haven't answered it in all your posts.

I could see if you were basing this off of a character that Thanos had a run in with in terms of aerial combat, but there is nothing that you are comparing him to. He easily reacted to the Fallen One. You bring up Batman. So we skip ahead to Thanos keeping pace with a Phoenix Avatar that was able to rapidly close the distance on a star ship moving at warp speeds. This is now not enough. In comes Thor, who has no right to even be in the topic.

he has a right because i asked explicitly, several times, if the SAME proof that counts for thanos, would count for thor and mean he could keep up with these guys.

Is it PIS, or is he reacting? So You see, my thoughts aren't so ridiculous. However, if you still feel that way, cool. Different strokes, for different folks. [/B]

ds addressed that scan. he blatantly says his instruments are tracking him. i can imagine what the peanut gallery would say if a dc guy tried to use that same scan for support. lol but imagine instead of the eye beams he tried force cubing him. it would have failed imo. now imagine there are 3 of him. not sure how the minimal proofs of speed you showed for thanos are enough to suggest he could fight the runner, or anyone like him. your recourse is to conclude thanos is more powerful. to which i say--ok, maybe he is, and maybe a rematch would go differently. but that is speculation.

Originally posted by Damborgson
You hear that Leo? I guess you're getting destroyed.

sometimes you're the hammer.... 🙁

Originally posted by Stoic
Bios are fine in order to get a glimpse at what a characters powers are. H1 didn't seem to know what powers the Fallen one possessed. The very same Fallen One that was damaging Galactus.

I was using the most current version of the character. You didn't seem to have any problem with it from the beginning.

Superman still isn't out to kill., no matter which way you want to flip it.

They have general knowledge and will still get the force cube treatment.

Does he have THIS level of speed? Still, no evidence.

Wisdom that will do them no good when they are cubed up.

Is Superman immune to TP? Besides who said anything about taking control of them?

Highly resistant, yes.

Martian Manhunter gets thrown out by his unconscious:
https://imgur.com/a/TrlgF

Maxima:
http://i.imgur.com/bKfNqK0.jpg

Brainiac:
https://imgur.com/a/VCnVG

Eradicator:
http://i.imgur.com/pIxzHY4.jpg

Even Maxwell Lord:
http://i.imgur.com/Y1oio8F.jpg

But of course, for some reason, you're giving Thanos prep, and he mindreads every one before the match starts, to know their intentions.....lol.

And what happens if they do reach him? Thanos has taken a hit from an exploding super gas giant without sustaining more that torn garments. He's now even more powerful than he was then.

It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

Is Wonder Woman or Captain Marvel supposed to hit harder than Odin?

You were tossing aside what happens in comics or attempting to by saying that forum fights shouldn't be based on feats, or was that someone else that was talking about how writers aren't concerned with power levels, only sexy looking battles? I can agree with you up to an extent, but I'd never want to take such a hard stance when I have no idea what was on any particular writers mind.

On a forum? He'd annihilate the three I've just mentioned in a heartbeat.

None of them are immune to TP. resistant, but not immune. Unless Starro is a special case, or Eclipso for that matter. How about Max Lord? Or, are all of those times PIS? There are probably more as well Like KC Captain Marvel, but that may not count, even though he has the very same enchantments on him. And if it didn't work, it still doesn't negate the fact that they aren't one shotting him. To the contrary, Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel are light weights in comparison to current Thanos. [/B]

WW is immune, after she became the Goddess of Truth:
https://imgur.com/a/hICNw

You post bios, but that's an actual power of hers. Bluewaterrider can possibly be more thorough, though.

With regards to the speed scans - so far, I have seen only two.

Fallen One:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111279017/5099207-5024907053-28577.jpg

And Runner:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111142536/4008441-runnerthanos3.jpg

Correct?

First one, we both know I could show that that is not concrete proof. Why? Because everyone who fight heralds...has tagged heralds, lol. Batman has tagged heralds PLUS. Thor has tagged heralds. Thanos has tagged Thor. BP has tagged Thanos.

Therefore, BP is FTL++++, right?

Runner? He actually STOPS in front of Thanos, right after his 'faster than light, faster than thought!' speech. Then runs again, literally running rings.

Imagine I have a sports car. Hey, look, it's top speed is 200 mph! I park the car. Then race YOUR car. And win.

If I win the race against your car...does that mean your car is 190mph?? 180mph? Course not.

All it means, is that the top speed of MY car is 200mph, and THAT speed is faster than yours. Says nothing about the top speed of your car - simply that you are too slow for MINE.

After I beat you, I drive off, laughing at you. Then return, to rub your face in it (or maybe I forgot my jacket). Your instrumentation (which, btw, I didn't know you had in all your races, but that's another argument) says that I returned at 2x the speed.

Not you - you were incapable of tracking me. It was your instruments. Like a policeman with a radar gun - according to your and others' arguments, that cop is able to react to a speeding car smashing into him. Lol.

But by the by.

Just because I returned at 2x the speed....doesn't mean my car is suddenly 400mph, lol. All it means is that I was 2x the speed I drove off - which, no matter what, was still too fast for your car.

*mic drop*

I like how the 3 times Superman resisted TP are put on the table while the hundred times he has been pwned by it are ignored...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

With regards to the speed scans - so far, I have seen only two.

Fallen One:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111279017/5099207-5024907053-28577.jpg

And Runner:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111142536/4008441-runnerthanos3.jpg

are those REALLY the only speed feats that have been shown?

he mentioned something else about fighting phoenix thane. i assume it happened in thanos 11 since that's where the battle took place. maybe this one?

https://imgur.com/a/5ojU1

😕

i dunno. there were no speed feats to speak of in that book so maybe he meant something else?

anyway, reacting to fallen one? here thor reacts to what is called an INSTANTANEOUS assault. from none other than phoenix:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/34486/1348198-pheonix_s_blasts.jpg

hulk v sentry:

https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/world-war-hulk-vs-the-sentry-6.jpg

sentry has speed feats that can equal most heralds.

i feel like i could show a hundred speed scans better than those, but if i were to use them to support the idea that they show enough to challenge the speed feats the dc guys have i'd be laughed (rightly) off the forum. if someone finds those feats enough, good for them i guess. just not sure how they rationalize it is all.

i'm not actually certain people fully realize how fast superman is. could use an abhi scan blitz or a phil blitz for a reminder. if no one throws some things down i'll post a couple of my faves later on. using those scans to support an argument that thanos can keep up with superman? not seeing it.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
I like how the 3 times Superman resisted TP are put on the table while the hundred times he has been pwned by it are ignored...

There's more.

J'onn, in the same series and under the same writer where he insta scans every human on Earth to find a very specific piece of information, was unable to locate Supermans mind when he assumed his Clark Kent identity. It was explained as subconscious mental blocks.

It makes sense for a character with a dual identity to be capable of protecting that secret from rogue telepathy.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
I like how the 3 times Superman resisted TP are put on the table while the hundred times he has been pwned by it are ignored...

What people are try to dismiss is the fact that superman is NOT the fastest character in comics. People know how fast superman is.. how fast has superman been clocked?? We know he cannot blitz at anywhere near light, he has been a statue to speedsters himself. Surfer has been clocked, Gladiator has been clocked and both have feats on record of light year travel while Superman had NOTHING on record.. NOTHING. Not even 1 light year speed feat. Thanos could not care less about supermans speed when he find out that the likes of surfer and gladiator would leave him in the dust.

Originally posted by JBL
What people are try to dismiss is the fact that superman is NOT the fastest character in comics. People know how fast superman is.. how fast has superman been clocked?? We know he cannot blitz at anywhere near light, he has been a statue to speedsters himself. Surfer has been clocked, Gladiator has been clocked and both have feats on record of light year travel while Superman had NOTHING on record.. NOTHING. Not even 1 light year speed feat. Thanos could not care less about supermans speed when he find out that the likes of surfer and gladiator would leave him in the dust.

True 👆

Strange that Zoom the guy who previously left Superman frozen, admits that Supey's speed rivals his own.

After Superman reacts to him.

I guess this means that Superman is Zoom level? Well, Zoom thinks so: