Thanos Vs Superman, Captain Marvel & Wonder Woman

Originally posted by -Pr-
If we do that, the amount of instances of Superman using his superspeed in a way that showcases his reactions would make the argument for him win.

We can make statistics, I have no issues with that.

Let's show:

1) How many times Superman has been fighting.

Defence:

2) How many times he has been punched without being able to block/avoid per fight.

3) How many times he has been able to punch an opponent and show speed feats of the said opponent to see if he is fast in combat.

Attack:

4) How many attacks Superman has been able to land on an opponent

5) How many attacks that Superman failed to land on an opponent.

Mods have been through this before: He has superspeed. The comics support this. It's to the degree that's to be measured, just like we do with things like strength, durability and so on.

To deny that the man has impressive combat speed (relatively), is to be as obtuse as to say Cyclops doesn't shoot red beams out of his eyes.

How am I denying superspeed when:

A) Superman fails to avoid/ block attacks all the time in 75 years of carrer.

B) Throws like 3 all-out attacks of quick punches in 75 years of carreer.

C) Has only a few showings of speed against SLOW characters: Mongul, etc...

D) I totally agree that Superman has super-speed when it comes to running or flying but when it's about combat that's not really the case...

I can even bring his fights against Grundy, Shadowdragon, Doomsday, Darkseid...

It's a lot more than three, which is your problem right there and where the lowballing comment comes from.

The rules of the forum take in to account things like PIS/CIS.

Not to mention the fact that Superman has shown himself more than willing to take a punch if it means someone else doesn't have to.

He has combat speed. This has been shown more than enough times to be not just an outlier.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It's a lot more than three, which is your problem right there and where the lowballing comment comes from.

The rules of the forum take in to account things like PIS/CIS.

Not to mention the fact that Superman has shown himself more than willing to take a punch if it means someone else doesn't have to.

He has combat speed. This has been shown more than enough times to be not just an outlier.

I have no problem changing my view if you, or anyone, prove me wrong.

The arguments showed in their proper context, of course, and Superman being consistently fast against fast characters.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
I have no problem changing my view if you, or anyone, prove me wrong.

The arguments showed in their proper context, of course, and Superman being consistently fast against fast characters.

Sounds like you're saying one thing then contradicting it a moment later, unless I'm mistaken. We have an actual Superman respect thread on this site bursting with speed feats. We have PIS/CIS rulings in the forum rules themselves that account for exactly this kind of argument.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Sounds like you're saying one thing then contradicting it a moment later, unless I'm mistaken. We have an actual Superman respect thread on this site bursting with speed feats. We have PIS/CIS rulings in the forum rules themselves that account for exactly this kind of argument.

Where am I contradicting myself ?

I am asking for proofs.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Where am I contradicting myself ?

I am asking for proofs.

Proof that Superman has combat speed, right?

I can't copy and paste everything, but here's the thread you can read them in:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t601613.html

Originally posted by -Pr-
Proof that Superman has combat speed, right?

I can't copy and paste everything, but here's the thread you can read them in:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t601613.html

Travel speed ? 😂

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Travel speed ? 😂

Did you not read the combat speed ones?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Did you not read the combat speed ones?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Did you not read the combat speed ones?

You would have to search high and low. After a fairly extensive look, I found the Lobo fight. I’m familiar with three more or so that may be somewhere on it, but overwhelmingly you see non-combat and flight speed.

Superman’s combat speed is almost always short duration flurries of less powerful punches that throw his opponents off balance. Below is what’s typical of those rare instances.

Pretty much. DC and Marvel combat speed showings are pretty bad tbh. Especially when you have to use flurry hands as an indication of someone having high end speed showings in combat.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
You would have to search high and low. After a fairly extensive look, I found the Lobo fight. I’m familiar with three more or so that may be somewhere on it, but overwhelmingly you see non-combat and flight speed.

Superman’s combat speed is almost always short duration flurries of less powerful punches that throw his opponents off balance. Below is what’s typical of those rare instances.

You don't have to search high and low. The respect thread has plenty.

Originally posted by carver9
Pretty much. DC and Marvel combat speed showings are pretty bad tbh. Especially when you have to use flurry hands as an indication of someone having high end speed showings in combat.

You're only saying that so you can plug DBZ.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You don't have to search high and low. The respect thread has

The thread you linked to is what I was searching. I stopped after a while but the speed sections I looked at produced the Lobo fight. Its easy to see how someone looking through it will see only flight and non-combat speed feats.

Originally posted by carver9
Pretty much. DC and Marvel combat speed showings are pretty bad tbh. Especially when you have to use flurry hands as an indication of someone having high end speed showings in combat.

This is probably one of the more impressive ones. This is actual sustained fighting a hyper speed while the world around them is frozen.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
You would have to search high and low. After a fairly extensive look, I found the Lobo fight. I’m familiar with three more or so that may be somewhere on it, but overwhelmingly you see non-combat and flight speed.

Superman’s combat speed is almost always short duration flurries of less powerful punches that throw his opponents off balance. Below is what’s typical of those rare instances.

That's pretty much what I've said in my conversation with Pr.

Superman has around 3 showings like that in 75 years...

And a flurry of punch is an all-out attack, Superman usually isn't able to block or avoid attacks...

Originally posted by TheHulkster
This is probably one of the more impressive ones. This is actual sustained fighting a hyper speed while the world around them is frozen.

Weren't they fighting inside Reed's ship which had his own time bubble thus making that speculation null and void ?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
The thread you linked to is what I was searching. I stopped after a while but the speed sections I looked at produced the Lobo fight. Its easy to see how someone looking through it will see only flight and non-combat speed feats.

Can't say I agree.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
That's pretty much what I've said in my conversation with Pr.

Superman has around 3 showings like that in 75 years...

And a flurry of punch is an all-out attack, Superman usually isn't able to block or avoid attacks...

Try this instead:

https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/3ovxvl/respect_superman_complete_postcrisis/

He has FAR more than 3 showings of combat speed in 75 years.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Weren't they fighting inside Reed's ship which had his own time bubble thus making that speculation null and void ?

Reed doesn’t have a ship. They are in a Shi’ar Ship. The entire area is eveloped in a time bubble created by Galactus that slows down time. Reed has his crew to strap on devices that offset the time bubble and Gladiator senses them to be moving at hyper speeds so he went into hyper speed mode to fight them.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Can't say I agree.

Try this instead:

https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/3ovxvl/respect_superman_complete_postcrisis/

He has FAR more than 3 showings of combat speed in 75 years.

Under the section entitled combat feats, there are actually 3 non-flight speed combat feats. One flurry on Mongul and 2 on probes. All similar to the one shown above against Equus.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Under the section entitled combat feats, there are actually 3 non-flight speed combat feats. One flurry on Mongul and 2 on probes. All similar to the one shown above against Equus.

By what metric are you measuring combat speed?

Because by the forum's definition, there's a lot more than 3.