Nihilus vs. Palpatine.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Funny how Palpatine was utterly overwhelmed by Ragnos and a few other, lesser spirits and nearly died. Requiring a bacta tank to heal himself no less.

Originally posted by AncientPower
He hasn't even proven Sidious fought those spirits.

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Originally posted by The_Tempest

He's only more powerful than someone who can, though.

Indeed. To labor your metaphor, Sidious would be in the MLB whereas Nihilus is probably off somewhere in Kansas swinging a bat around in his church intramural league.

^ Darthbane, chop, chop!

DB77, as one of the leading members of the Vitidiot cause, do you have something to shit on Sheev with, so that we could turn it around and panegyrize His Imperial Majesty further?

Originally posted by darthbane77
Not really, given Nihilus did the same thing he did on Katarr to several other planets. He's stated as having consumed more than one planet, not just Katarr. In fact, iirc, the phrase "web or worlds" was used at one point to describe Nihilus' eating habits. I'll have ti find the specific quote for that though.

Uh-huh, yeah, these other worlds which according to TCSWE, he drained only after attacking them with orbital bombardment. So not like Katarr at all, unless you agree that he used his ships to attack it first.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
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The spirits in reference are actual dark lords, he was trying to claim it was thousands of lesser Sith spirits. But in fact it was literally just the Sith summoning the same Force zombies that Kun fought prior to Nadd collapsing a tomb on him.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
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Originally posted by AncientPower
The spirits in reference are actual dark lords, he was trying to claim it was thousands of lesser Sith spirits. But in fact it was literally just the Sith summoning the same Force zombies that Kun fought prior to Nadd collapsing a tomb on him.

Citation needed that they're merely "Force zombies".

It seems pretty clear to me:

- Sidious arrives on Korriban around ANH, fights basically everyone on Korriban, almost dies.
- Sidious arrives on Korriban in EE, basically all the spirits are gone and those who remain are deferential and apparently afraid of Sidious.

Explanations:

1. The Sith spirits just happen to fade in the two or so decades between ANH and EE, by sheer coincidence, after having stayed there for thousands of years, and for some reason those that remain are the weaker ones.

2. Sidious killed almost all of them and the few survivors are too scared to resist him.

Explanation 2 is far more logical given the evidence; explanation 1 is utterly manufactured.

Put it on ignore already, Ell, Jesus Christ lol

So Nihilus dies.

That isn't what happens though, rofl. He demands knowledge from the dark lords and he gets 'cowed' in return. He almost dies, has to be rescued by Droga and is placed in a bacta tank to recover.

The rest of your argument is quite irrelevant.

Originally posted by The Merchant
So Nihilus dies.

As utterly and memetically as Vitiate.

Indeed he does. Still waiting for that Sheev lowballing so we could reverse it to make this thread worthwhile.

Originally posted by The_Tempest

He's only more powerful than someone who can, though.

Indeed. To labor your metaphor, Sidious would be in the MLB whereas Nihilus is probably off somewhere in Kansas swinging a bat around in his church intramural league.

Originally posted by AncientPower
That isn't what happens though, rofl. He demands knowledge from the dark lords and he gets 'cowed' in return. He almost dies, has to be rescued by Droga and is placed in a bacta tank to recover.

The rest of your argument is quite irrelevant.

But you still haven't explained why almost all the spirits are gone and those who remain are afraid of him in EE...

Thousands attacked him the first time, only a few scared ones are left the second time, it's pretty obvious that he killed them all, lol.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Uh-huh, yeah, these other worlds which according to TCSWE, he drained only after attacking them with orbital bombardment. So not like Katarr at all, unless you agree that he used his ships to attack it first.

There's nothing claiming there were thousands of lesser Sith spirits attacking him nor is there anything claiming they were gone the second time around. It's literally just Az reaching again.

Originally posted by darthbane77
The bombardment argument has been debunked, but as I said in the above comment I made, I don't have all the quotes I need. So I'll get back to this as soon as I can.

Debunked where? The only time we hear about the other planets is in TCSWE, which is where it's explicitly said that he fed on planets that he had bombarded.

The idea of bombarding Katarr was the only one in dispute, but whatever you make of it, it's clearly not something he's replicated again, which to me suggests circumstantial aid.

It says he blasted them, not bombarded, rofl. That could be interpreted a thousand way.

Originally posted by SunRazer
She also says that he uses the same technique as the assassins, who use their powers on the Exile and co. just fine but obviously don't win.

Nihilus hasn't ever shown Drain against a more powerful opponent

even against lesser enemies he seems to like stunning his opponents before draining them, which is odd if he can just do it and kill them.

Katarr is a blatantly circumstantial feat given that he's been put in similar situations (TCSWE's various other planets, Telos IV)

OT: Sidious wins.

Originally posted by AncientPower
There's nothing claiming there were thousands of lesser Sith spirits attacking him

There were thousands of them on Korriban and they're supposed to attack intruders, sooo...

nor is there anything claiming they were gone the second time around. It's literally just Az reaching again.

But they are gone, you can see it...

The Korriban sith try to attack Palpatine the first time, then the second time only a few remain and they're scared of him. It's not too difficult to connect the dots.