Originally posted by operator616I could make that argument for Thunderbolts and Graviton. He has never been portrayed at that level before or since.
Only in Godhead, Zack. They wanted to hype the new gods, that's all.At that same time, Orion was getting trashed by the minotaur and Hera. As well as getting stomped by an actual trans tier (First Born) in Azzarello's wonder woman series.
Originally posted by operator616
Only in Godhead, Zack. They wanted to hype the new gods, that's all.At that same time, Orion was getting trashed by the minotaur and Hera. As well as getting stomped by an actual trans tier (First Born) in Azzarello's wonder woman series.
Even after Godhead, Orion was treating Hal like he was nothing and orions battle with a Golem trashed a star system or whatever. Orion actually put up a decent fight with First Born. Azzarello sucks with power levels.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
I could make that argument for Thunderbolts and Graviton. He has never been portrayed at that level before or since.
Except for the fact that they're not comparable at all.
Orion being trans in Godhead is outlier because he's a herald on average. And i agree that Graviton being a skyfather is an outlier but he was still trans in several other appearances.
Originally posted by carver9
Why is First Born considered a trans tier?
Because he beat Orion and put Diana in a coma. And went on to beat Apollo even when weakened. Then proceeded to stomp Artemis, Diana, Hermes and Dionysis. And then later Hades as well.
Have you read the series?
Originally posted by Zack M
Even after Godhead, Orion was treating Hal like he was nothing and orions battle with a Golem trashed a star system or whatever. Orion actually put up a decent fight with First Born. Azzarello sucks with power levels.
Like nothing? Not sure i agree.
But yeah, i admit that i was impressed recently with Orion due to that feat. I still definitely don't think he's trans tier, but you can disagree if you like. I don't particularly care one way or another about Orion's standing.
Originally posted by operator616
Like nothing? Not sure i agree.But yeah, i admit that i was impressed recently with Orion due to that feat. I still definitely don't think he's trans tier, but you can disagree if you like. I don't particularly care one way or another about Orion's standing.
What tier is he when he's at his true form?
Originally posted by operator616
Graviton has manipulated Vision's intangible form. So intangibility is not an option either.
In a different thread, it was pointed out that there are different methods of intangibility. From vibrating atoms to entering another dimension to spreading atoms apart. It was stated that what works against one form of intangibility might not work on the others. Damn, I wish I knew what thread it was. Very interesting read.
Originally posted by operator616
Except for the fact that they're not comparable at all.Orion being trans in Godhead is outlier because he's a herald on average. And i agree that Graviton being a skyfather is an outlier but he was still trans in several other appearances.
Because he beat Orion and put Diana in a coma. And went on to beat Apollo even when weakened. Then proceeded to stomp Artemis, Diana, Hermes and Dionysis. And then later Hades as well.
Have you read the series?
Yes, even posted scans throughout KMC on the character. Wouldnt consider these trans tier fts. He did beat Orion but it Orion made him fight for it.
Originally posted by operator616Yes...but motherbox connecting to CPB is an unquantifiable showing to say the least. old school sinestro (who was considerably less powerful than current) has tapped into it as well. So did hal. Im just saying im not sure if it says anything definitive.
The motherbox actually has feats that pertain its scope being planet level, that's not the issue i had with it. I was hoping to see a feat where it specifically had a planet level gravity feat.
"Unquantifiable" move, gotcha.
Got the scans for Hal and Sinestro? It seems what a Mother Box did was different from what I remember Hal doing in EMERALD TWILIGHT (though know he did it at least one other time).
We see the scale it's manipulated energy. We see it's done telepathy on a high scale. Not a stretch to think it could do gravity on a high scale.
Originally posted by deathslash
lol, are we honestly going to act like the average black lantern was that strong? I specifically remember Batman and his family taking on multiple black lanterns with flamethrowers.
Black Lanterns were really just zombies of whoever the Power Ring reanimated, with reanimation and regeneration being all they gave. Lots of Black Lanterns were low level superhuman or even just normal humans when alive. I don't remember the Bat Family facing anybody particularly impressive. I'll need to check to see who the ones Mogo beat were, but it's not necessarily comparable.
Originally posted by operator616And he has also been a lot less, The Hypodermic, The Rock Monster, The Human Torch, Iron Man etc.
Except for the fact that they're not comparable at all.Orion being trans in Godhead is outlier because he's a herald on average. And i agree that Graviton being a skyfather is an outlier but he was still trans in several other appearances.
Originally posted by Zack M
What tier is he when he's at his true form?
What are you referring to?
Originally posted by carver9
Yes, even posted scans throughout KMC on the character. Wouldnt consider these trans tier fts. He did beat Orion but it Orion made him fight for it.
Ok, but you ignored the others he beat...
Originally posted by Delta1938
"Unquantifiable" move, gotcha.Got the scans for Hal and Sinestro? It seems what a Mother Box did was different from what I remember Hal doing in EMERALD TWILIGHT (though know he did it at least one other time).
We see the scale it's manipulated energy. We see it's done telepathy on a high scale. Not a stretch to think it could do gravity on a high scale.
And i omitted from my post the powerful beings who were capable of doing that (like parallax, maaldor, anti-monitor --- evil star iirc too since it was a very old story). And the hal instance was ET.
And telekinesis too. I never disagreed with that. I was just saying that i would like to have confirmation. I do admit that your (and DS's) stance do have merit.
Originally posted by operator616
https://imgur.com/a/Bka3RFCAnd i omitted from my post the powerful beings who were capable of doing that (like parallax, maaldor, anti-monitor --- evil star iirc too since it was a very old story). And the hal instance was ET.
And telekinesis too. I never disagreed with that. I was just saying that i would like to have confirmation. I do admit that your (and DS's) stance do have merit.
So Sinestro did it over a period of time with his sentience having been placed in the CPB(or am I wrong and he did it himself?). I'd have to say this is different from the Mother Box. I'd have to say it's the same with Hal(but a shorter period; assuming by Parallax you're talking EMERALD TWILIGHT). Haven't seen the others(or at least don't remember Anti-Monitor if it happened during COIE) but Anti-Monitor and Maaldor(if I'm remembering him right) aren't exactly some average Top-Tiers. Never seen Evil Star do it(and I guess you're not sure if he did or you're misremembering).
You mean Mother Box had a high level telekinesis example too? Not sure if that's what you meant or just it's displayed that too. Regardless of if Mother Box can effect gravity to that scale (but like I've said, we've seen it do high level scale feats in other departments), it has the ability to beat Graviton(if not countering his gravity manipulation, telepathy, and possibly other avenues), and one of the primary arguments I've seen against Orion is he's a brawler, but we've seen him fight differently against opponents that face punching or conventional blasts aren't going to work against.