Thanos w/o IG vs. Thor w/o SB

Started by quanchi11242 pages

Originally posted by Darth Thor
1. Lol no thats what he was looking for. The dialogue makes that clear.

2. Russos are not the only Directors. What they say is ultimately their opinion but the overall canon means more. Like Vaultdweller has pointed out above, if Korath knows of Captain Marvel then that changes the meaning of his line.
Nah it wouldnt kill Hela. She had been stabbed through the chest which literally did nothing to her. I know this pains you to no end but ON SCREEN FEATS trump your fantasy.

3. No. Watch the film. He only dared to think of using Surtur at the end after Odin tells him Asgard is a people not a place.

4. Whose playing mental gymnastics now. Hulk forfeited the fight by not only letting GM help him, but instantly taking advantage of it.

1. No, he was looking for a weapon capable of killing Thanos which based off the evidence is not his original hammer. Dialogue is pretty clear you are the one trying false equivocation here.

2. Feige has said for years Thanos is the biggest and best villain. Russos confirm this and Thors statement he is the most powerful being in the universe is batted over our head the entire film. Being stabbed by inferior weapons is not the same for ****s sake. Surtur proved the weapons power clearly matters. Your fantasies about her power levels are pathetic. Surtur was clearly on another level than she was as was stormbreaker the finest Asgardian weapon to date.

3. Yes, he figured it out at the end. Thor did not need Togo anywhere after Odins wisdom finally got through. Eitri was not a concept that existed to this director but that does not change the point Thor was not powerful to defeat Hela or Thanos on his own. He needed something more powerful for both ie. Surtur or Stormbreaker.

4. Hulk had no control over Gm you mouth breathing European. Hulk was not beaten and Thor clearly had enough time to best him. Thanos needed less time to demoralize Hulk because he is not a peer to the Hulk while Thor clearly is. Your opinion will never alter facts.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The point I was making is that you viewed it as legit, so why is his opinion legit and not the GM's?

Him stopping Thor definitely implies that Thor would have won, I never denied that. I was just saying that it doesn't necessarily prove it. The difference between the two is that the GM stopping Thor is a lot more ambiguous than a flat out statement about Thanos being the most powerful being in the universe. If the GM said that he stopped Thor because he knew he was going to lose, than it'd be different. Since he didn't, it's a lot more open to interpretation. Also like Quan said, Thanos' status as the most powerful being in the universe has been confirmed by other sources.

Keep in mind that I agree Thor>Hulk by the way. I'm just playing devil's advocate for the hell of it 🙂

Originally posted by Darth Thor
You and Context dont mix.

Stop getting excited over Nemebro backing you up and defend your idiotic arguments.

Having will power and being the most polished fighter and beating Hulk in H2H does not equate to Thanos having the best power set. It just makes him the best Boxer.

Hence Surtur would crush him. Hela would batter him.

Heck Mjolnir Thor would have a chance in an open arena and if he fights smart.

All statements confirm it is accurate both in and out of universe. The statements are not meant to mislead viewers. I do not care who backs me or not your bias.

The statement was clear he is the most powerful and more polished than Thor, hulk, or Loki specifically. My statement is accurate now you are trying to move the goalposts into the best powerset which I never claimed.

Your opinion is silly. They both died. They would both lose but cry to the heavens about those dead losers. They would get smoked by the avengers alone.

No, he would not according to the filmmakers. You are too biased to debate. Leave the thread since the statements are clear and backed by on screen feats and statements.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Given its talking about how hes conquered thousands of worlds, power also relates to the resources and armies at his disposal.

Stop throwing terms around like mental gymnastics in place of having a proper argument. Forum rules are ON SCREEN FEATS ONLY.

Heck youve already conceded Directors on their own are not completely reliable with your Different Directors for a Different Movie comment regarding why Thor did not go to Eitri for a Hela killing weapon in Ragnarok.

You can use Directors commentary to BACK UP those On Screen feats only. IOW Thanos beating up Hulk in H2H backed by the commentary makes it certain he would beat Thor in H2H just as quickly, and may be the best H2H fighter in the MCU. But thats it.

He has conquered thousands of worlds with HIS ARMIES. So combined with his armies he may be the most powerful villain.

But no where is it stated he has the best power set. Heck the invincible in 1 vs 1 combat was outright proven false at the end. Which proves you are quoting the Russos out of context, given its their movie so I am pretty sure they know Thor overpowered Thanos and his IG at the end.

They say he is the most powerful being in the universe not that he had the biggest army. Both are true. Now you pretend Feige has not already confirmed Thanos is the best. It is not open for discussion he is the best they have faced. Ever.

Backed by screen feats. Quit crying you use statements all the time in Star Wars but here since you are so visibly upset Thanos is the best of all you are crying like a weak willed European.

I am saying Feige and the rest agree on Thanos. The film makes it clear he is the most powerful. Stated multiple times. Hela was not even the most powerful in her own film. Lol.

He was not just one on one against Thor since he had a weapon capable of killing him and despite the cheapshot Thanos still won. The filmmakers make it clear Thanos prevailed not Thor. The film shows Thors agony over his failure once more. Thanos won. Thor with an upgraded weapon failed after the avengers failed. He went through them all.

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
Him stopping Thor definitely implies that Thor would have won, I never denied that. I was just saying that it doesn't necessarily prove it. The difference between the two is that the GM stopping Thor is a lot more ambiguous than a flat out statement about Thanos being the most powerful being in the universe. If the GM said that he stopped Thor because he knew he was going to lose, than it'd be different. Since he didn't, it's a lot more open to interpretation. Also like Quan said, Thanos' status as the most powerful being in the universe has been confirmed by other sources.

Keep in mind that I agree Thor>Hulk by the way. I'm just playing devil's advocate for the hell of it 🙂

If the GM didn't stop the fight because he thought Thor was going to win, why did he stop the fight?

He could have just been playing it safe and didn't want to take the chance that Hulk MIGHT lose. Like I just said, it's ambiguous whereas Korath's statement isn't. Anything else you'd like me to answer for you? 🙂

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
He could have just been playing it safe and didn't want to take the chance that Hulk MIGHT lose.

Tbh this is most likely the explanation. One blast from Thor doesn't mean that Hulk was going to lose. GM was probably used to Hulk absolutely destroying all of his opponents. After seeing Thor actually being able to contend with him, he didn't want to take any chances.

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
He could have just been playing it safe and didn't want to take the chance that Hulk MIGHT lose. Like I just said, it's ambiguous whereas Korath's statement isn't. Anything else you'd like me to answer for you? 🙂

Just like Korath might have been using hyperbole in order to make a point.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Just like Korath might have been using hyperbole in order to make a point.

Fair enough, but that statement has been confirmed by other sources.

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
Fair enough, but that statement has been confirmed by other sources.

In what movie was it confirmed?

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
Fair enough, but that statement has been confirmed by other sources.

And its an ambiguous statement anyway.

How is he defining power?

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
He could have just been playing it safe and didn't want to take the chance that Hulk MIGHT lose. Like I just said, it's ambiguous whereas Korath's statement isn't. Anything else you'd like me to answer for you? 🙂

You do realize that Korath does not know every single being in the universe right?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
And its an ambiguous statement anyway.

How is he defining power?

Look up the definition. Thanos is the most powerful being in the universe both confirmed in and out of the universe. I win, cuck.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You do realize that Korath does not know every single being in the universe right?
So is the statement meant to deceive the audience?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Look up the definition. Thanos is the most powerful being in the universe both confirmed in and out of the universe. I win, cuck.

So President Trump being one of the most powerful men on the planet means he can take Mike Tyson in street fight right ?

You are pretty clueless.

ON SCREEN FEATS ONLY. If you dont like the forum rules go argue elsewhere.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So is the statement meant to deceive the audience?

It means Korath does not know everything, is imperfect and has a very high probability that he's wrong. Or do you believe everything you hear people say?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
So President Trump being one of the most powerful men on the planet means he can take Mike Tyson in street fight right ?

You are pretty clueless.

ON SCREEN FEATS ONLY. If you dont like the forum rules go argue elsewhere.

So you ignore the other statements as well which speak of his skill as a fighter.

He already had that distinction before his hunt for the stones because of his strong will. It does not say because of his army or resources. It says due to his willpower. The statement tells us why your silly little excuses saying otherwise.

On screen feats prove it as well. Without a statement declaring his superiority we would never know. This is not hard to follow along you cuck.

Originally posted by FrothByte
It means Korath does not know everything, is imperfect and has a very high probability that he's wrong. Or do you believe everything you hear people say?
Except it is reaffirmed by other characters and out of universe statements. Thanos has been described as the biggest and best villain of the MCU years ago. It is ok to admit it. It is fine that Thor is out of his depth here and needs all the help he can get still losing at the end.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Except it is reaffirmed by other characters and out of universe statements. Thanos has been described as the biggest and best villain of the MCU years ago. It is ok to admit it. It is fine that Thor is out of his depth here and needs all the help he can get still losing at the end.

Which characters?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Which characters?
Thor, Bruce Banner, need I go on.