Originally posted by Azronger
he's making him see the same vision he saw while traversing the netherworld that made him learn Dark Transfer and [i]"see the truth of things."
So now Krayt not only brought Cade back to life, but he also escaped Chaos and returned back to living world to heal himself with Dark transfer?
Nice one, Azronger. At least Krayt didn't need a bunch of Sith spirits to return to the corporeal plane. 👆
Originally posted by BestDebaterEver
Let's play a game called: post unpopular opinions relating to Krayt/Legacy. I'll go first:
Arguing the Muur > Krayt quotes refers to Dark Transfer and not Force power is comparable mental gymnastics to the SF Malak quote.
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Also couldn't care less about it to do anything about it either.
Originally posted by BestDebaterEverI had an argument about that. It makes no sense that that would entirely be Muur's power especially when Celeste was able to contend with Vader to some degree on her own. Suddenly Celeste's powers go down to zero when Muur takes over? That makes literally no sense. The force potential and power of Celeste will always be there when it's her body. Muur wanted powerful people as well, which would again make no sense if her power just went away and it was all Muur's.
Let's play a game called: post unpopular opinions relating to Krayt/Legacy. I'll go first:There's a very realistic possibility that Celeste Morne-Karness Muur is more powerful than Muur in his own body back in the day.
Muur is stacking his power onto Celeste's power.
The real speculation however begins when you consider the amulet is filled with the Darkside, and Muur may be channelling more power than he himself may have been capable of when he was alive.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
I had an argument about that. It makes no sense that that would entirely be Muur's power especially when Celeste was able to contend with Vader to some degree on her own. Suddenly Celeste's powers go down to zero when Muur takes over? That makes literally no sense. The force potential and power of Celeste will always be there when it's her body. Muur wanted powerful people as well, which would again make no sense if her power just went away and it was all Muur's.Muur is stacking his power onto Celeste's power.
The real speculation however begins when you consider the amulet is filled with the Darkside, and Muur may be channelling more power than he himself may have been capable of when he was alive.
Muur takes over Celeste in full, and from this point, Muur channel his powers through her body. Celeste is just a vessel in this situation.
And it is possible that Celeste is not strong enough for Muur to realize his full strength. This is why he saw in Darth Vader a better potential host.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDIt doesn't make sense that the force empowered host would add power to Muur's full power when he takes over?
This does not make sense.Muur takes over Celeste in full, and from this point, Muur channel his powers through her body. Celeste is just a vessel in this situation.
And it is possible that Celeste is not strong enough for Muur to realize his full strength. This is why he saw in Darth Vader a better potential host.
So if Muur took completely over, there wouldn't be a vast difference in power if he used Plo Koon as a host, compared to Darth Vader?
There was no indication that it would allow him to use more of his own power. In fact, everytime he took over it was pretty much stated that he was afforded all his own power.
He wanted Vader because of his power, and because Celeste was powerful enough on her own to hold him back for so long.
I looked through 2 issues
Here's an interesting one, which I know also happened earlier, but I didn't look through that issue yet. Celeste can draw on the power of Muur, which is common sense.
So essentially, Celeste can draw on the power of a spirit Muur, but Muur in no way can draw on the power of the real life body of Celeste that has a lot of force in herself? So basically, all her natural power goes away and any power is entirely Muur's own?
Or are you arguing that Muur can only drop in minute amounts of power because her essence isn't powerful enough? Which would still be saying that it's Celeste's power mixed with (hindered) Muur? Which would give us no way to accurately measure Muur's power on his own. So what is it that you're arguing?
And also, where was it stated that the force potential only allows more of Muur's power to come through? Where is this fact at? Because you'd think someone who's fought off Muur's possession for years would be plenty powerful. Even when he did possess her she still regain control to a degree.
Etc. A lot of assumptions, when a simple answer is that Celeste Morne + Muur = Muur's power in that arc... this is apparently a huge grasp at logic though?
Not sure where you guys are taking this line of reasoning. When Muur was alive, he also wore the Muur talisman and had access to its powers. For Celeste-Muur to be stronger than Muur, her body would have to be a superior host to his own, which is the opposite of what is suggested. It's like saying Marka Ragnos was at his strongest when he fought against Jaden Korr, because he had "both his own power and Tavion's" to draw from.
Originally posted by NewGuy01Except Muur used his amulet in life to spread the Rakghoul Plague (specualation)... if it had a use at all. The difference between it in life and death is that he transferred his entire essence into it when he "died". There's also no indication of how long he was using it in life... it's possible it was created for simply this purpose.
Not sure where you guys are taking this line of reasoning. When Muur was alive, he also wore the Muur talisman and had access to its powers. For Celeste-Muur to be stronger than Muur, her body would have to be a superior host to his own, which is the opposite of what is suggested. It's like saying Marka Ragnos was at his strongest when he fought against Jaden Korr, because he had "both his own power and Tavion's" to draw from.
It even says he relies on powerful force users so he can use their force abilities. Couple this to when he takes over and gains new powers, and more raw power...
