Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Thor is WAY WAY WAY more muscular and heavier than Hela.You are clearly trolling now. I have unveiled your attempts at lowballing.
Cap wins, Thor ain't longer the biggest fish in the tank. GET IT OVER WITH.
Later Froth, Thor threads just ruin your judgement fellow.
In other words, you think muscle size is the only factor to indicate greater strength.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Just look how all of you conveniently and utterly ignored my argument where I posted the clips (which I posted like 5pgs ago).You accuse me of not bringing evidence when in reality you are just ignoring.
If that ain't fanboyism then what is it? Trolling?
And you still FAIL to bring evidence to contradict Odin's words. You are just playing blind mind fellows.
P.S. You are still failing to bring sustancial evidence to contradict Odin's words.
I've addressed it, so why are you still whining?
Still accusing all of us (including Imped) of Trolling and Fanboysim? Just because we're not blindly accepting what you're claiming is fact? Wow.
I've already mentioned you don't know the specifics of Odins enchantment. Ergo you require On Screen Feats to support Odins words. Otherwise you are simply imagining Worthy Cap having abilities he's never demonstrated.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I've addressed it, so why are you still whining?Still accusing all of us (including Imped) of Trolling and Fanboysim? Just because we're not blindly accepting what you're claiming is fact? Wow.
I've already mentioned you don't know the specifics of Odins enchantment. Ergo you require On Screen Feats to support Odins words. Otherwise you are simply imagining Worthy Cap having abilities he's never demonstrated.
Until now. After 5 pages. Okay, I'll remove the fanboy tag from you, since finally you've decided to seriously debate.
I'm accusing you all of closing your eyes at my evidence whilst bringing NONE of your own.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well did he not hold his ground against a full on Mjolnir strike from Thor?You see where you are bringing Please, I'm actually drawing On screen comparisons.
No, not really, it's basic physics in sport and combat, and I learned the hard way from experience as well, running to someone to hit them, and I easily got knocked back and floored by a hit, by someone who wasn't massively stronger or anything.
Your'e not addressing the 1:00 mark compared to the 0:27 mark. Did Thor get a strength boost, or was he simply just fighting better?
Which shield blows? And which attacks? Point to them in the video, and remember it better be some HUGE difference given you are claiming like a 100* strength amp at minimum.
And me and others are suggesting that perhaps the Thor like power imbued in Mjolnir is his Thunder powers, and control over Mjolnir.
You need Clear On Screen Feats to take the argument any further.
Except he was crouching against a VERTICAL blow. No one would expect him to fly away, it ain't a horizontal blow. Also, who is saying he held his ground? He was standing up all hurt after the cutscene. He obviously felt down by the blow, a shame the cutscene leaves that out.
You are actually wrong. If Cap was running towards Thanos that means he is aplying a vertical force against the blow, which actually means it's less likely for him to fly away.
There is a big gap between flying away from a normal blow and resisting SEVERAL ENRAGED blows from the Mad Titan
'He was running' doesn't really cover that gap D.T. That's way evident, come on.
Eh...I already did. Thor didn't endure anything. He was obliterated by Thanos and almost killed. What are you talking about?
Evidence 3: Cap's blows
As I said, I can keep bringing evidence that Cap got boosted.
Minute 0:33: Thanos is like "Seriously, I'm getting bored here".
Cap's blows barely manage to pull an expression from Thanos.
Then a single blow from Thanos K.O's Cap.
Minute 1:58: Focus on Cap's attacks with the shield and kick. We aren't talking Mjonir blows, Thanos is clearly having a greater effect by these.
Furthermore, we later see Thanos grab Cap and enragely pound him against the ground without these getting K.Oed. Being pound against the ground 》》》 a single punch to the face by a non enraged Thanos.
See I bring multiple evidence to back my words, while you guys bring me speculations.
Thanks you! Finally you agree on something! You guys are 'SUGGESTING that PERHAPS'...That isn't enough to nullify Thor 1 nor Odin's words. It's just the simple fact.
I respect your speculation. But the truth is that Thor lost his superstrength with Odin's spell, and Odin made it PLANELY CLEAR that whosoever held Mjolnir would have THE POWER THOR HAD.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Unless you can prove that a housewife can outstrengthen a bodybuilder, you entire "Asgardian's strength isn't magical" doomed to failure.
You're moving goalposts again. Housewives have nothing to do with this thread since all the participants we've been discussing are all trained warriors. None of them are housewives.
So stop dodging the question and just admit that you're basing Thor's greater strength on nothing more than the fact that he has bigger muscles.
And if that's not what you're claiming, then just say it straight.
Originally posted by FrothByte
You're moving goalposts again. Housewives have nothing to do with this thread since all the participants we've been discussing are all trained warriors. None of them are housewives.So stop dodging the question and just admit that you're basing Thor's greater strength on nothing more than the fact that he has bigger muscles.
And if that's not what you're claiming, then just say it straight.
Being a trained warrior =/= having the same strength. Your fallacies won't be tolerated.
I never said Asgardians' strength is due to their muscles. That's exactly what i've been proving all along. Their strength ain't due to their physiology like ours or other animals, but due to their magic/power.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Being a trained warrior =/= having the same strength. Your fallacies won't be tolerated.I never said Asgardians' strength is due to their muscles. That's exactly what i've been proving all along. Their strength ain't due to their physiology like ours or other animals, but due to their magic/power.
And yet you keep using Thor's bigger muscles as proof that he should be stronger than Hela. And that Hela being stronger must mean that it's due to magic.
You fail to consider other factors like nervous system efficiency, type/density of muscle fibers, training and proper form, energy levels, etc.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Imp's opinion isn't a ruling. Impediment is a mod not a judge nor is this a BZ.Your stupidity unveiled.
Now, if you excuse me I'm debating D.Thor and the real debaters. Take your butthurt to the social thread.
You retard, the issue here is that everyone here has said your a moron.
Imp said to prove your point or concede. You can’t prove your point because it has no basis in reality, you butthurt Thanos fanboy child.
Originally posted by FrothByte
And yet you keep using Thor's bigger muscles as proof that he should be stronger than Hela. And that Hela being stronger must mean that it's due to magic.You fail to consider other factors like nervous system efficiency, type/density of muscle fibers, training and proper form, energy levels, etc.
I am using it to prove that physiology has nothing to do here.
That bears no weight here, they are the same species, that shouldn't bear much impact on their strength.
Either way, the simplest answer is often the correct one, so, magic is the most obvious one.
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
You retard, the issue here is that everyone here has said your a moron.Imp said to prove your point or concede. You can’t prove your point because it has no basis in reality, you butthurt Thanos fanboy child.
No, many have agreed with Cap being stronger, except the Thor fanboys like you. 😂
I'm done with you. Don't bother derailing anymore, or i'll report you for it.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Except he was crouching against a VERTICAL blow. No one would expect him to fly away, it ain't a horizontal blow. Also, who is saying he held his ground? He was standing up all hurt after the cutscene. He obviously felt down by the blow, a shame the cutscene leaves that out.You are actually wrong. If Cap was running towards Thanos that means he is aplying a vertical force against the blow, which actually means it's less likely for him to fly away.
[B]There is a big gap between flying away from a normal blow and resisting SEVERAL ENRAGED blows from the Mad Titan
'He was running' doesn't really cover that gap D.T. That's way evident, come on.
Eh...I already did. Thor didn't endure anything. He was obliterated by Thanos and almost killed. What are you talking about?
Evidence 3: Cap's blows
As I said, I can keep bringing evidence that Cap got boosted.
Minute 0:33: Thanos is like "Seriously, I'm getting bored here".
Cap's blows barely manage to pull an expression from Thanos.
Then a single blow from Thanos K.O's Cap.
Minute 1:58: Focus on Cap's attacks with the shield and kick. We aren't talking Mjonir blows, Thanos is clearly having a greater effect by these.
Furthermore, we later see Thanos grab Cap and enragely pound him against the ground without these getting K.Oed. Being pound against the ground 》》》 a single punch to the face by a non enraged Thanos.
See I bring multiple evidence to back my words, while you guys bring me speculations.
Thanks you! Finally you agree on something! You guys are 'SUGGESTING that PERHAPS'...That isn't enough to nullify Thor 1 nor Odin's words. It's just the simple fact.
I respect your speculation. But the truth is that Thor lost his superstrength with Odin's spell, and Odin made it PLANELY CLEAR that whosoever held Mjolnir would have THE POWER THOR HAD. [/B]
Will respond to this tomorrow.