Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
You are saying that their strength can be explained due to their physiology.In that case, Hela has the body complexity of a normal house wife (not fat though).
You are clearly desperate. You have no proves to back your claims.
Sorry Froth, last chance, prove your points or admit what we all know.
Sorry Josh, but on screen feats >>>>> your dumb theories. We have multiple examples of Asgardians using super strength without the use of magic.
I've proven you wrong on your"Thor operates at a different strength range" argument and you switched goal posts only to get owned again.
And claiming Hela to be just as physically fit as a normal housewife is troll-level tactics. Heck, the fact that you're assuming this despite not seen her body clearly (since she's in a bodysuit) just shows how silly your arguments are.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Sorry Josh, but on screen feats >>>>> your dumb theories. We have multiple examples of Asgardians using super strength without the use of magic.I've proven you wrong on your"Thor operates at a different strength range" argument and you switched goal posts only to get owned again.
And claiming Hela to be just as physically fit as a normal housewife is troll-level tactics. Heck, the fact that you're assuming this despite not seen her body clearly (since she's in a bodysuit) just shows how silly your arguments are.
You have brought 0 feats of Asgardians using strength WITHOUT their magic.
Everyone, EVERYONE knows that Thor lost his strength when Odin deprived him from his power/magic.
You are just trolling now. Debate is over.
Originally posted by FrothByte
So you want to apply a double standard for Thor and Hela only just to support your theory. Gotcha.
Thor is WAY WAY WAY more muscular and heavier than Hela.
You are clearly trolling now. I have unveiled your attempts at lowballing.
Cap wins, Thor ain't longer the biggest fish in the tank. GET IT OVER WITH.
Later Froth, Thor threads just ruin your judgement fellow.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
So Odin saying something about Asgardians isn't a feat? Odin has no credibility!?
Firstly thats not an official Marvel statement.
Second, Odin never stated - Whosoever holds this hammer, should he be worthy, shall gain the physical attributes of Thor-
So really depends how Odin defines Power. Nothing cut and dry about it.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderStop wasting my time D.T. Prove that Cap wasn't boosted or stop your nonesense.
lol I dont have to prove it, as im not the one making the claim that Cap has powers we have never seen him display.
Im also not making the claim that Cap can do something that even Thor could not, I.e. beat up Kurse.
These are all your claims, so its for you to prove.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Firstly thats not an official Marvel statement.Second, Odin never stated - Whosoever holds this hammer, should he be worthy, shall gain the physical attributes of Thor-
So really depends how Odin defines Power. Nothing cut and dry about it.
lol I dont have to prove it, as im not the one making the claim that Cap has powers we have never seen him display.
Im also not making the claim that Cap can do something that even Thor could not, I.e. beat up Kurse.
These are all your claims, so its for you to prove.
Oh, so the MCU just created Odin for nothing? He is to be ignored? LMAO. Seriously D.T?
Really? The entire Thor 1 movie revolved arround Thor regaining his POWER, which included superstrength.
This is utter trolling. Bring sustancial evidence that Thor's superstrength is independent of Thor's power.
I already proved my point. All of you convenientely ignored it.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Honestly, what a joke. Your desperation to lowball the obvious is clear.Either way, with this post I hope to finally put an end to your dishonorable crusade.
[B]Evidence 1: Odin's explicit words
Odin Borson:
As many of you like to think in this forum (I personally disagree with), the simplest and less elavorate answer is always the real one. Odin's words are clear.
Thor lost his superstrength when he was unworthy and then gain it back.
You can speculate however you want, the fact is Thor became superstrong after being worthy.Unless you bring solid evidence against that notion, Cap also became Thor superstrong when becoming Worthy
Evidence 2: Worthy Roggers vs Captain America
Anyone who is a fan of Marvel, moreover a fan of Captain America would realize how evident the powerboost was.
Evidence 2.1: Infinity War Captain America vs Worthy Cap
The first CLEAR AS CRYSTAL evidence can be found when comparing IW Cap with Worthy Cap. Using a simple apples to apples comparison, we can use Thanos as the metric.
Back at IW, Cap's punches and shield attacks were but an itch to Thanos. Thanos wasn't even bothered by Cap! Yet, in EG Cap's punches and shield attacks are clearly felt by Thanos!
Furthermore, back at IW a single punch from Thanos KOed Cap! Whilst in EG, Cap was taking enraged attacks from Thanos the same way Thor was!
Here I place the vid, you can compare it with W.Cap's kicks and shield attacks in the vid I'll place bellow.
Evidence 2.2: Captain America vs Worthy Cap
However, the easiest and most clear comparison lies in Engame itself. We can compare Cap's performance against Thanos before becoming Worthy and afterwards.
Clearly Cap got a strength boost.
- Minute 0:26, a single blow from Thanos' Infinity Sword send Cap flying back several meters.
- Minute 2:33, Thanos' IS attacks are being effectively blocked by Cap without this being outpowered.
I can bring many more evidence that Cap's regular strength isn't one to contend with a Hulk level strength. But i think this is enough to overwhelm any speculation or lowball you guys can bring
Cap's overall powerboost is WAY EVIDENT.
Unless you bring solid evidence to prove otherwise, everything suggest Cap got a strength boost. Speculation isn't evidence guys. The literal feats support my case [/B]
Okay will address the supposed evidence that Cap received a godly strength boost after lifting Mjolnir:
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderHowever, the easiest and most clear comparison lies in Engame itself. We can compare Cap's performance against Thanos before becoming Worthy and afterwards.
Clearly Cap got a strength boost.
[B]- Minute 0:26, a single blow from Thanos' Infinity Sword send Cap flying back several meters.
- Minute 2:33, Thanos' IS attacks are being effectively blocked by Cap without this being outpowered.
[/B]
The 0:26 mark shows a Cap running on the offensive get swatted away, whereas the 2:33 mark is Cap holding his ground on the defensive, defending from overhead strikes (he's already on the ground).
Moreover at the 0:27 mark Thor easily gets kicked to the floor while Thanos is simultaneously dodging Iron Mans blasts. Whereas at the 1:00 mark Thor is battling Thanos 1 v 1 and holding is own. So does this mean Thor got a strength/speed boost mid fight?
Of course not. Because all that's being pointed out here is different moves, different attacks, and different defences at different parts of the fight. Just look at any boxing or UFC match, they go back and forth all the time. Doesn't mean the boxers have received a physical amp at some point in the fight.
So you have not brought any kind of clear evidence that Cap actually received not only a strength boost, but a godly one after picking up Mjolnir.
And to help you out, a clear On Screen example of a Physical power boost, would be Hulk never leaping more than 10 to 20 feet in The Incredible Hulk movie, but then by Avengers1 he's constantly leaping over Skyscrapers.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I can bring many more evidence that [B]Cap's regular strength isn't one to contend with a Hulk level strength. But i think this is enough to overwhelm any speculation or lowball you guys can bring[/B]
Again these are speculative words. Show us what Cap did with his strength with Mjolnir, and what he did without Mjolnir, and show us the clear godly difference in strength.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Cap's overall powerboost is WAY EVIDENT.[B]Unless you bring solid evidence to prove otherwise, everything suggest Cap got a strength boost. Speculation isn't evidence guys. The literal feats support my case
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Again its not for us to prove a negative. Youre making the claim, so it's for you to prove. And as the forum rules go, On Screen Feats Only.
You don't know the specifics of Odins enchantment, so that's not proof. But I'll give you that it is worth bringing to an argument. It's just not the all and end all in it self.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Oh, so the MCU just created Odin for nothing? He is to be ignored? LMAO. Seriously D.T?[B]Really? The entire Thor 1 movie revolved arround Thor regaining his POWER, which included superstrength.
This is utter trolling. Bring sustancial evidence that Thor's superstrength is independent of Thor's power.
I already proved my point. All of you convenientely ignored it. [/B]
What do you mean created Odin for nothing? That makes no sense at all.
As for the latter point, I don't need to prove anything, as I've not claimed Worthy Cap did or did not have Thors strength. I have been questioning if theres any On Screen Feats to suggest he did. And it seems like there isn't.
But I will point this out- Thor still had his strength after Mjolnir was crushed, but it took time to learn to use his godly powers without Mjolnir. Remember Odin words in Ragnarok:
"Are you Thor, god of hammers?"
Hela: "what are you the god of again"
Then Thor bursts out with lightning.
Bear in mind his natural strength was never lost throughout Ragnarok, and his control over it had absolutely nothing to do with Mjolnir.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I love it, both the Thor and Superman fanbase in this forum never ceases to amaze. The amount of BS and trolling they'll resort in order to see their fav. heroes win.
Kindly make an argument without resorting to accusations of fanboyism. Otherwise you are the one who shall be reported.
If you have the superior argument you will not need to throw out insults or random accusations (not talking about Broly who I know insults you a lot).
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Okay will address the supposed evidence that Cap received a godly strength boost after lifting Mjolnir:The 0:26 mark shows a Cap running on the offensive get swatted away, whereas the 2:33 mark is Cap holding his ground on the defensive, defending from overhead strikes (he's already on the ground).
Moreover at the 0:27 mark Thor easily gets kicked to the floor while Thanos is simultaneously dodging Iron Mans blasts. Whereas at the 1:00 mark Thor is battling Thanos 1 v 1 and holding is own. So does this mean Thor got a strength/speed boost mid fight?
Of course not. Because all that's being pointed out here is different moves, different attacks, and different defences at different parts of the fight. Just look at any boxing or UFC match, they go back and forth all the time. Doesn't mean the boxers have received a physical amp at some point in the fight.
So you have not brought any kind of clear evidence that Cap actually received not only a strength boost, but a godly one after picking up Mjolnir.
And to help you out, a clear On Screen example of a Physical power boost, would be Hulk never leaping more than 10 to 20 feet in The Incredible Hulk movie, but then by Avengers1 he's leaping constantly leaping over Skyscrapers.
Again these are speculative words. Show us what Cap did with his strength with Mjolnir, and what he did without Mjolnir, and show us the clear godly difference in strength.
Again its not for us to prove a negative. Youre making the claim, so it's for you to prove. And as the forum rules go, On Screen Feats Only.
You don't know the specifics of Odins enchantment, so that's not proof. But I'll give you that it is worth bringing to an argument. It's just not the all and end all in it self.
Okay, so you believe normal Cap got the strength to hold his ground against someone who's stronger than the Hulk? Pleaseee.
An effortless blow from Thanos' Infinity Sword sent Cap flying several meters in the air.
You are gonna need more than "he was running" to justify Cap enduring enraged blows from Thanos. Again, Cap never had the strength to contest someone like Hulk.
That argument is non-sensical. Thor never held his own against Thanos! He was almost killed if not for Cap!
More evidence:
Cap's shield blows and attacks are inefficient against Thanos in IW. Worthy Cap's shield, kicks and attacks are well felt by Thanos.
You are cornered Darth Thor.
Ragnarok proves nothing. I never said the hammer was the one with powers. Odin's magic is just giving Thor-like attributes to it's bearers.
No one is saying it is stripping Thor's powers. At least not in Ragnarok, where Thor is worthy of them and Odin is already dead (no magic on Mjolnir).
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Kindly make an argument without resorting to accusations of fanboyism. Otherwise you are the one who shall be reported.If you have the superior argument you will not need to throw out insults or random accusations (not talking about Broly who I know insults you a lot).
Just look how all of you conveniently and utterly ignored my argument where I posted the clips (which I posted like 5pgs ago).
You accuse me of not bringing evidence when in reality you are just ignoring.
If that ain't fanboyism then what is it? Trolling?
And you still FAIL to bring evidence to contradict Odin's words. You are just playing blind mind fellows.
P.S. You are still failing to bring sustancial evidence to contradict Odin's words.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay, so you believe normal Cap got the strength to hold his ground against someone who's stronger than the Hulk? Pleaseee.
Well did he not hold his ground against a full on Mjolnir strike from Thor?
You see where you are bringing Please, I'm actually drawing On screen comparisons.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
An effortless blow from Thanos' Infinity Sword sent Cap flying several meters in the air.You are gonna need more than "he was running" to justify Cap enduring [B]enraged blows
from Thanos. Again, Cap never had the strength to contest someone like Hulk. [/B]
No, not really, it's basic physics in sport and combat, and I learned the hard way from experience as well, running to someone to hit them, and I easily got knocked back and floored by a hit, by someone who wasn't massively stronger or anything.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
That argument is non-sensical. Thor never held his own against Thanos! He was almost killed if not for Cap!
Your'e not addressing the 1:00 mark compared to the 0:27 mark. Did Thor get a strength boost, or was he simply just fighting better?
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
More evidence:Cap's shield blows and attacks are inefficient against Thanos in IW. Worthy Cap's shield, kicks and attacks are well felt by Thanos.
Which shield blows? And which attacks? Point to them in the video, and remember it better be some HUGE difference given you are claiming like a 100* strength amp at minimum.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
You are cornered Darth Thor.Ragnarok proves nothing. I never said the hammer was the one with powers. Odin's magic is just giving Thor-like attributes to it's bearers.
No one is saying it is stripping Thor's powers.
And me and others are suggesting that perhaps the Thor like power imbued in Mjolnir is his Thunder powers, and control over Mjolnir.
You need Clear On Screen Feats to take the argument any further.