Captain Marvel vs Hela

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I remember now.

Okay:
1. The explosion was massive, and the amounts of energy released were and should be humongous. We are talking about a device capable of creating quantum tunnels.

2. Most importantly, Carol wasn't in her full binary form, which is her most powerful iteration.

I don't see how that's a low feat for Carol! Thanos is the most durable being in terms of toughness. Even Hela on Asgard was being pierced by knifes while Thanos was bouncing Drax's knifes!

Sure, Hela is unkillable on Asgard but she can be penetrated and skin pierced.

Furthermore, Thanos was toying with Thor throughout all the fights (except the last scene in IW, where Thor suprised Thanos with the new SB).

Carol standing toe to toe with Thanos is a high end feat for her, not a low one. And again, she wasn't full binary.

The fight was too short. Thor had lost his hammer. Also, Pre-Ragnarok Thor is much weaker.

Hela fighting Thor in his God-Mode form outside Asgard would see the ties turning for Thor slightly more. And again, even Ragnarok Thor isn't a match for Thanos, in the same way Carol was.

Sure, the knifes Hela used against Surtur should be effective, yet such feat happened on Asgard and ergo is invalid for this thread.

Thanos never "toyed" with an in-shape, non-drunk Thor. You know, the kind of Thor that Hela was beating up? Therefore all your comparisons don't really count. You know this. The fact that you're even trying to make the comparison is almost trolling.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Thanos never "toyed" with an in-shape, non-drunk Thor. You know, the kind of Thor that Hela was beating up? Therefore all your comparisons don't really count. You know this. The fact that you're even trying to make the comparison is almost trolling.

In the battle on Thor's ship, at the openning scene in IW, just after Hulk was beaten.

Thor grabbed a metal bar with both hands and stroke Thanos in the face. Thanos didn't even show signs of pain.

Thor wasn't drunk in Endgame last battle nor does being fat make you weaker. At least not significantly.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
In the battle on Thor's ship, at the openning scene in IW, just after Hulk was beaten.

Thor grabbed a metal bar with both hands and stroke Thanos in the face. Thanos didn't even show signs of pain.

Thor wasn't drunk in Endgame last battle nor does being fat make you weaker. At least not significantly.

You mean the Thor that was already beaten up and could barely stand up? Yeah, that's not an in-shape Thor either. Nowhere near the kind of Thor that Hela fought, even on Earth. Heck, that Thor was even worse than Fat Thor. Are you seriously trolling right now?

Originally posted by FrothByte
You mean the Thor that was already beaten up and could barely stand up? Yeah, that's not an in-shape Thor either. Nowhere near the kind of Thor that Hela fought, even on Earth. Heck, that Thor was even worse than Fat Thor. Are you seriously trolling right now?

I love how you underestimate Asgardians, especially the God of Thunder.

Thor's healing capabilities are peak, sure, he was beaten at the start of the fight and tired, but even the slightest rest can prove boosting.

Furthermore, even a tired person or animal can still deliver strong attacks in a burst of rage. We see it in boxing matches all the time! Tired boxers can still deliver powerful blows and burst out massive punches.

You are just planely underestimating Thor for your own advantage now!

YouTube video

Minute 1:15: Thor's was clearly going all out. The metal rod even breaks, geeze.

Unless you can prove that Fat Thor is massively weaker in terms of strength, you are just being sizeist.

Damn, there's fat people who are stronger than their muscular counterparts!

Lol at Thor being drunk! He wasn't drunk in the end scene! Stop lying!

And sure, perhaps Thor isn't as agile as before! I can give you that! But anything else is mere BS in order to downplay Carol. So Frothlike!

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I love how you underestimate Asgardians, especially the God of Thunder.

Thor's healing capabilities are peak, sure, he was beaten at the start of the fight and tired, but even the slightest rest can prove boosting.

Furthermore, even a tired person or animal can still deliver strong attacks in a burst of rage. We see it in boxing matches all the time! Tired boxers can still deliver powerful blows and burst out massive punches.

You are just planely underestimating Thor for your own advantage now!

YouTube video

Minute 1:15: Thor's was clearly going all out. The metal rod even breaks, geeze.

Unless you can prove that Fat Thor is massively weaker in terms of strength, you are just being sizeist.

Damn, there's fat people who are stronger than their muscular counterparts!

Lol at Thor being drunk! He wasn't drunk in the end scene! Stop lying!

And sure, perhaps Thor isn't as agile as before! I can give you that! But anything else is mere BS in order to downplay Carol. So Frothlike!

Thor wasn't just tired, he was beaten up. He had just finished getting tortured by the PS. Heck, a single hit from the PS knocked out Carol, Thor survived a few seconds of it.

In any case, anyone who's so tired and beaten up that they can hardly stand is not going to be in peak fighting condition. To ignore such basic common sense is flat out trolling at this point.

Also interesting how you're only focusing on Thor being fat and ignoring how he has been out of shape for 5 years.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Thor wasn't just tired, he was beaten up. He had just finished getting tortured by the PS. Heck, a single hit from the PS knocked out Carol, Thor survived a few seconds of it.

In any case, anyone who's so tired and beaten up that they can hardly stand is not going to be in peak fighting condition. To ignore such basic common sense is flat out trolling at this point

And what about Titan?

Cause evidently you can't prove that Fat Thor is weaker in terms of strength than Regular Thor.

What twisted scheme will you pull out this time?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
And what about Titan?

Cause evidently you can't prove that Fat Thor is weaker in terms of strength than Regular Thor.

What twisted scheme will you pull out this time?

Edit: Obmit Titan, I have no idea why I wrote Titan xD. I was meaning the Eartly battle.

Glad to see you concede the non black hole feat.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
And what about Titan?

Cause evidently you can't prove that Fat Thor is weaker in terms of strength than Regular Thor.

What twisted scheme will you pull out this time?

What about the Earthly battle? Which one are you referring to?

Also, are you seriously asking me to prove that an out-of-shape person is weaker than they were back when they were in peak condition?

Lol. Not going to play your troll games Josh. If you want to claim Fat Thor was every bit as strong, fast and fighting capable as peak Thor then that's up to you to prove. You can't ask me to prove common sense.

But hey, glad you at least admit that Thor wasn't in peak shape in the beginning of IW when he hit Thanos.

Originally posted by FrothByte
What about the Earthly battle? Which one are you referring to?

Also, are you seriously asking me to prove that an out-of-shape person is weaker than they were back when they were in peak condition?

Lol. Not going to play your troll games Josh. If you want to claim Fat Thor was every bit as strong, fast and fighting capable as peak Thor then that's up to you to prove. You can't ask me to prove common sense.

But hey, glad you at least admit that Thor wasn't in peak shape in the beginning of IW when he hit Thanos.

Concession accepted, you are incapable of proving your arguments, not only that, you are descriminating fat people! You are a sizeist!

Force is measure in mass, on the contrary, many fat people will tend to be stronger than their fit counterparts!

Prove that Fat Thor is physically less strong than normal Thor, or swallow your bias and descrimination.

Josh a boxer whose not fought in 5 years and has gotten fat will obviously not be at his peak. Thats just common sense.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Josh a boxer whose not fought in 5 years and has gotten fat will obviously not be at his peak. Thats just common sense.

In terms of stamina, granted. In terms of training, perhaps. In terms of "I will push an object with less strength", prove it.

Fat Thor was outstrengthen by Thanos.

Which shouldn't come at a surprise, considering that Thanos outpowered The Hulk. The Hulk has always operated arround Thor's level of strength! Never has Thor in any form outstrengthen Hulk in pure strength.

This last argument was my hammer in the back for FrothByte, the guy just loves to get hammered.

As for proving that Fat Thor is physically less strong than normal Thor. OK, how about this. you post Fat Thor's best strength feat and Froth posts non-fat Thor's best strength feat.

Then we all vote.

Originally posted by Silent Master
As for proving that Fat Thor is physically less strong than normal Thor. OK, how about this. you post Fat Thor's best strength feat and Froth posts non-fat Thor's best strength feat.

Then we all vote.

1. Inpractical, as F.Thor has limited feats.

2. In any case, you'll need to bring feats from F.Thor that prove he is physically less strong as Regular Thor. As nothing F.Thor has done shows inconsistency of strength in comparison to other iterations.

3. We can use Hulk as the bridge to compare peak Thor and peak Thanos. Thanos was outpowering Hulk, whilst Thor has never outpowered Hulk with mere strength.

So again, either you bring evidence to back up your claim, or you are just discriminting.

What claim am I supposed to bring evidence for?

Originally posted by Silent Master
What claim am I supposed to bring evidence for?

That there is a scene in where F. Thor is portrayed being less strong than in previous movies.

Well, the evidence should come from Froth, he is the one making discriminatory arguments.

When did I make that claim?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Concession accepted, you are incapable of proving your arguments, not only that, you are descriminating fat people! You are a sizeist!

Force is measure in mass, on the contrary, many fat people will tend to be stronger than their fit counterparts!

Prove that Fat Thor is physically less strong than normal Thor, or swallow your bias and descrimination.

Josh, for f*cks sake stop trolling. It's not about being fat, stop virtue signalling. It's about being out of shape. Someone who's out of shape is obviously not going to be as strong, fast, agile, sharp or tough as that same person when they're at their peak shape.

Fat Thor doesn't have the same muscle mass as fit Thor. Muscle determines strength. Are you seriously saying that a fat, out of shape Mariusz Pudianowski can bench press just as heavily as Mariusz at his peak?

I’m pregnant...and Josh is the father 😐

Originally posted by Silent Master
When did I make that claim?

I'm not asking you to do so. I was just adding, to show why your proposal wasn't productive for this debate with Froth.