Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Nor do you that Hela can spam knifes indefinitely outside Asgard.
She was creating them without difficulty on Earth, in the Bifrost and in the flashback against the Valkyries. There's far more reason to believe she can spam them at Carol than there is proof that Carol's shields are invulnerable to them.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Uhmm... That doesn't really look like she's flying through the blackhole but rather just flying past it. From that vantage point and depending on the size of the blackhole, she can even be hundreds of miles away from it.
Or she could be flying through the black hole. Guess will never know based on the picture alone.
But if we base it on the logical writer's intent - placing a black hole at the scene and Carol "apparently" going through it -, then she is.
The easiest answer is often the correct one.
Originally posted by ares834
If you can see her (and we can) then she is not in the black hole....
I agree, inside Black Holes light shouldn't escape and we shouldn't be able to see Carol, at least under a scientific scenario.
But you got to keep in mind that this is a movie, and directors and writers just jump all over science to portray their ideas.
Again, the easiest answer is often the right one. Anyone watching the movie without any sort of bias for either character here, would say, "She is going through a Black Hole". Why? Because that's what the writers are portraying.
Originally posted by ares834
Again, the easiest answer is often the right one. Anyone watching the movie with more than a half functioning brain would say, "She is flying past a Black Hole". Why? Because that's what the writers are portraying.
You are finally getting it, that's why this particular picture, which is zoomed, shows the black hole's ring of fire being destorted by the passing of Captain Marvel.
Anyone, even someone with a half functional brain would realize that she was in contact, at least with the Black Hole's fire ring. Which would still dwarf anything portrayed by Hela.
Your welcome.
I don't care about Hela. All I'm saying is she clearly didn't fly through the BH. If that was the animator's intention (and it's impossible to say that it is) then they ****ed up because they clearly did not show that. Sorry, but what we see on screen is what matters and we see her fly past, not through, the BH.
Originally posted by ares834
I don't care about Hela. All I'm saying is she clearly didn't fly through the BH. If that was the animator's intention (and it's impossible to say that it is) then they ****ed up because they clearly did not show that. Sorry, but what we see on screen is what matters and we see her fly past, not through, the BH.
Well, the ring of fire is destorted right arround Carol's trajectory, and that's clear.
Even if Carol didn't went through the event horizon of the BH, she is affecting somehow that fire ring. That's still a massive feat for her.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Or she could be flying through the black hole. Guess will never know based on the picture alone.But if we base it on the logical writer's intent - placing a black hole at the scene and Carol "apparently" going through it -, then she is.
The easiest answer is often the correct one.
Dude, if you're going to argue for 9 pages, you better make sure your argument is based on something more substantial than a feat where "we'll never know based on the picture alone".
That's a ridiculously weak basis for an argument. Till you come up with something better, you really have no proof that Carol's shields cam withstand Hela's weapons.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Well, the ring of fire is destorted right arround Carol's trajectory, and that's clear.Even if Carol didn't went through the event horizon of the BH, she is affecting somehow that fire ring. That's still a massive feat for her.
In no way those animations were part of the film. Otherwise, it's a normal thing for a galaxy to become a cat.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Which tunnel?And yet she was destroying battleships. Something a single lightning would certainly not replicate.
The only viable feat for this combat, for me, is the Valkyrie scene. The Mjolnir feat, although i've stated to portray strength, is pretty much useless in combat, since guys like Thor and Valkyrie weren't being smashed like tomatoes on Asgard (Where Hela is supposted to be stronger).
Even if Carol can't put Hela down (assuming her durability is as strong as on Asgard), Hela's normal necroswords would be pretty much useless against Carol's energy shield.
So, best case scenario, this is a tie.
Battleships? Really? Thanos is by far more durable than those kree battleships. Carol also destroyed Thanos' battleship but guess what? Her blasts/punches did squat to Thanos. Thor's lightning swept Thanos off his feet,slammed him into ground and had him groaning in pain.
This isn't Carol vs Battleships.
It's still consistent with thrashing Thor and Loki outside Asgard.
Even if? Captain marvel can't hurt Hela period! nevermind putting down.
Useless? Can you prove Carol is immune to getting pierced?Even Surtur was pierced. Is captain marvel more durable than Surtur?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Dude, if you're going to argue for 9 pages, you better make sure your argument is based on something more substantial than a feat where "we'll never know based on the picture alone".That's a ridiculously weak basis for an argument. Till you come up with something better, you really have no proof that Carol's shields cam withstand Hela's weapons.
He uses the weakest evidence possible and then runs from it as soon as he’s caught.
Originally posted by 9jaboy
Quantum tunnel,Endgame Battlefield.Battleships? Really? Thanos is by far more durable than those kree battleships. Carol also destroyed Thanos' battleship but guess what? Her blasts/punches did squat to Thanos. Thor's lightning swept Thanos off his feet,slammed him into ground and had him groaning in pain.
This isn't Carol vs Battleships.It's still consistent with thrashing Thor and Loki outside Asgard.
Even if? Captain marvel can't hurt Hela period! nevermind putting down.
Useless? Can you prove Carol is immune to getting pierced?Even Surtur was pierced. Is captain marvel more durable than Surtur?
I remember now.
Okay:
1. The explosion was massive, and the amounts of energy released were and should be humongous. We are talking about a device capable of creating quantum tunnels.
2. Most importantly, Carol wasn't in her full binary form, which is her most powerful iteration.
I don't see how that's a low feat for Carol! Thanos is the most durable being in terms of toughness. Even Hela on Asgard was being pierced by knifes while Thanos was bouncing Drax's knifes!
Sure, Hela is unkillable on Asgard but she can be penetrated and skin pierced.
Furthermore, Thanos was toying with Thor throughout all the fights (except the last scene in IW, where Thor suprised Thanos with the new SB).
Carol standing toe to toe with Thanos is a high end feat for her, not a low one. And again, she wasn't full binary.
The fight was too short. Thor had lost his hammer. Also, Pre-Ragnarok Thor is much weaker.
Hela fighting Thor in his God-Mode form outside Asgard would see the ties turning for Thor slightly more. And again, even Ragnarok Thor isn't a match for Thanos, in the same way Carol was.
Sure, the knifes Hela used against Surtur should be effective, yet such feat happened on Asgard and ergo is invalid for this thread.