Originally posted by YousufKhan1212Yep. 👆
IIRC, 2018 edition of Lightsabers: A Guide to Weapons of the Force said that their mutual knowledge of each other's fighting styles left them evenly matched, and that Anakin's overconfidence caused his downfall.
"Years of fighting side-by-side left these warriors evenly matched [...] It was Anakin's overconfidence, fueled by the dark side, which led to his defeat."
Originally posted by Galan007
Not exactly sure what you're asking?
Originally posted by YousufKhan1212
IIRC, 2018 edition of Lightsabers: A Guide to Weapons of the Force said that their mutual knowledge of each other's fighting styles left them evenly matched, and that Anakin's overconfidence caused his downfall.
Yup, this answered it. It seems to be the canon default to 50% of fights. Overconfidence. But that quote also doesn't seem to paint the same disparity between Kenobi and Skywalker as Legends does.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
One of those guides said that Kenobi beat Maul on Tatooine because he caught him off guard.
Yeah i remember reading that somewhere, also Filoni in some link stated Maul wasnt mentally or psychologically well and was tired from a lot of travelling where as Obi wan was all relaxed and refreshed with the force..
Originally posted by ozz81
Yeah i remember reading that somewhere, also Filoni in some link stated Maul wasnt mentally or psychologically well and was tired from a lot of travelling where as Obi wan was all relaxed and refreshed with the force..
Originally posted by Galan007
It was mentioned in The Complete Visual Dictionary (2018) that Kenobi and Anakin switched up their styles against Dooku to confuse him:
https://i.imgur.com/11aGw9s.jpgEither way, I've said from the start that Dooku might have been holding back against them initially. But once Kenobi was removed from play, and it was just Dooku and Anakin one-on-one, what legitimate reason do we have to believe that Dooku was pulling his punches? .
Just taking everything after kenobi gets choked out overstates the degree anakin can dominate dooku.
Originally posted by YousufKhan1212
Exactly, Anakin beat Dooku via non lethal means, before being coerced by Palpatine to kill Dooku once the fight was over.
Palpatine coerced Anakin, when dooku was already at his mercy. Anakin finding an oppurtunity to disarm him does not inidcate that if dooku had failed to put his blade up in time for any of the dozen strikes aimed for dooku's head, Anakin would have hesitated from taking the oppurtunity to keep him alive.
The jedi way was to kill, if neccesary. Your assertion Anakin is holding back against dooku is baseless.
Find proper evidence, or drop it.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Filoni also straight up said maul can't beat kenobi so...
Oh yes true i think i remember him saying that: but light saber wise only, he also said briefly either could have beaten either.. also heard not sure how true it is he mentioned somewhere Mauls force powers were stronger ie had more force powers and abilities and was a better hand to hand combatant ..
Originally posted by ozz81
Oh yes true i think i remember him saying that: but light saber wise only, he also said briefly either could have beaten either.. also heard not sure how true it is he mentioned somewhere Mauls force powers were stronger ie had more force powers and abilities and was a better hand to hand combatant ..
Filoni did imply that maul(and kenobi) had grown as fighters from tcw, but kmc mostly disregarded that when a matt martin quote said maul was out of practice.
There was a source that said Maul had learned new force abilities, but it was dimissed for some reason, potentially because the source wasn't seen as valid. :/
Either way, Maul having his hands full with ROTS Ahsoka has seemingly reopened rebels maul vs sod maul since by all logic, Rebels Ahsoka should be out of ros maul's league. Especially when you consider her performance vs palpatine.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I'm aware of nothing that positively compares maul to kenobi as of rebels. All I recall is filoni saying maul couldn't beat kenobi and that was some symbol for how Kenobi's way, the light side, was better in the long run.Filoni did imply that maul(and kenobi) had grown as fighters from tcw, but kmc mostly disregarded that when a matt martin quote said maul was out of practice.
There was a source that said Maul had learned new force abilities, but it was dimissed for some reason, potentially because the source wasn't seen as valid. :/
Either way, Maul having his hands full with ROTS Ahsoka has seemingly reopened rebels maul vs sod maul since by all logic, Rebels Ahsoka should be out of ros maul's league. Especially when you consider her performance vs palpatine.
cool... sorry wasnt to sure the ahsoka vs Palpatine performance did you mean the one where she was in some portal with Ezra in rebels ?
Style makes match up. Although Ahsoka did "better" against Vader than Dooku against Anakin, it doesn't mean Ahsoka wins. Vader style is also different than that of Anakin. He also fights to wear his opponents down (even though his opponent is weaker than him) while Anakin just wanted to brutalize Dooku. That Anakin would brutalize Ahsoka and although Vader is more powerful than RoTS Anakin, his fight would last longer than Anakin vs Dooku, just because of different style.
I think Dooku beats Ahsoka.
Originally posted by Inedian
Style makes match up. Although Ahsoka did "better" against Vader than Dooku against Anakin, it doesn't mean Ahsoka wins. Vader style is also different than that of Anakin. He also fights to wear his opponents down (even though his opponent is weaker than him) while Anakin just wanted to brutalize Dooku. That Anakin would brutalize Ahsoka and although Vader is more powerful than RoTS Anakin, his fight would last longer than Anakin vs Dooku, just because of different style.I think Dooku beats Ahsoka.
All that said, style makes fights can only go so far. If Vader actually scales above Anakin, then dooku being able to win here becomes highly dubious.
Off course, I'd like to look at the quotes again. Vader scaling over anakin is a drastic change from the old continuity.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Is there a reason you're saying the exact same thing you said last time?Palpatine coerced Anakin, when dooku was already at his mercy. Anakin finding an oppurtunity to disarm him does not inidcate that if dooku had failed to put his blade up in time for any of the dozen strikes aimed for dooku's head, Anakin would have hesitated from taking the oppurtunity to keep him alive.
The jedi way was to kill, if neccesary. Your assertion Anakin is holding back against dooku is baseless.
Find proper evidence, or drop it.
Is there a reason why you ignored the rest of my response?
Originally posted by RockydonovangDo we have any reason at all to assume Dooku was depleted when Anakin fought him one-on-one?
Nothing, but by that point dooku had already spent some time fighting, and that time fighing had dooku limiting his range of attacks, so I think it's a bit dubious to assume anakin would just be able to beat a fresh dooku in 10 secs.Just taking everything after kenobi gets choked out overstates the degree anakin can dominate dooku.
Originally posted by Galan007
Do we have any reason at all to assume Dooku was depleted when Anakin fought him one-on-one?
Originally posted by RockydonovangIn the novelization of the film it's noted that Dooku says he's tired before the fight even begins and then several times once the fight starts but I'm not sure it's canon anymore even though the info from the Visual Guides seem to pull their stuff straight from the novel.
Well, if he was fighting a significantly more powerful opponent in addition to Kenobi, I'd imagine that would take something out of his force reserves. Characters getting tired in canon seems to be a thing if we use Ahsoka for reference.
Originally posted by RockydonovangBut again: is there any actual proof that he was depleted?
Well, if he was fighting a significantly more powerful opponent in addition to Kenobi, I'd imagine that would take something out of his force reserves. Characters getting tired in canon seems to be a thing if we use Ahsoka for reference.
Certainly didn't seem to me like he was taxed at all when Anakin owned him.
