Originally posted by Galan007
But again: is there any actual proof that he was depleted?Certainly didn't seem to me like he was taxed at all when Anakin owned him.
Proof from the script the actors used for the duel "As the battle proceeds, OBI-WAN and COUNT DOOKU are tired. ANAKIN is stronger as he becomes angry." But I don't think there's anything in canon sourcebooks that say that.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I'm aware of nothing that positively compares maul to kenobi as of rebels. All I recall is filoni saying maul couldn't beat kenobi and that was some symbol for how Kenobi's way, the light side, was better in the long run.Filoni did imply that maul(and kenobi) had grown as fighters from tcw, but kmc mostly disregarded that when a matt martin quote said maul was out of practice.
There was a source that said Maul had learned new force abilities, but it was dimissed for some reason, potentially because the source wasn't seen as valid. :/
Either way, Maul having his hands full with ROTS Ahsoka has seemingly reopened rebels maul vs sod maul since by all logic, Rebels Ahsoka should be out of ros maul's league. Especially when you consider her performance vs palpatine.
Never heard the Matt Martin quote of Maul's skills diminishing. Does Matt's word carry more weight than Filoni??
Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not really confident that the unseen/unstated moments of the original scripts would necessarily default to canon.
Its a part of the movie, it's the stones used to make those 'immovable' pillars of the canon. The actors portrayed those characters at the moment based on what was in those scripts so it seems likely they are canon unless directly contradicted by another visual medium.
He didnt portray that at all. Nor did the movie imply it.
and I would imagine that if Dooku was meant to be tired and weakened when Anakin fought him, it would have been mentioned SOMEWHERE in canon over the last 6 years.
why are people reaching so hard here? Is it really that hard to believe that Anakin was simply beyond dooku in ROTS? Thought this discussion had been put to rest back in 2005? 😬
Originally posted by Lord StarkI agree.
Its a part of the movie, it's the stones used to make those 'immovable' pillars of the canon. The actors portrayed those characters at the moment based on what was in those scripts so it seems likely they are canon unless directly contradicted by another visual medium.
Originally posted by Galan007Dooku was definately tired when he fought Yoda On Geonosis. The novel makes it clear that Dooku was tired when he fought Anakin on the Invisible Hand.
When did Christopher Lee portray Dooku being "tired", though?
Originally posted by Galan007
Perhaps his saber skills didn't grow(though I'm sure his Force power did), but that doesn't mean his skill diminished either.
Its possible. He did extract information ridiculously more easily from Hera compared to Jesse.
But that could be down to needing much more thorough and detailed info from Jesse.
Originally posted by Galan007
When did Christopher Lee portray Dooku being "tired", though?
I think that's my point. If you showed me the Ahsoka vs. Maul duel I would not have inherently pointed to the moment after Maul gets kicked out of a window as displaying Ahsoka as tired but that's what its meant to be.
Scripts are canon because they give us a window of what the creators of the films were trying to convey. In any sort of visual medium, the screenwriter's/creator's intent is always most important in portrayals.
Originally posted by Sheev
He didnt portray that at all. Nor did the movie imply it.and I would imagine that if Dooku was meant to be tired and weakened when Anakin fought him, it would have been mentioned SOMEWHERE in canon over the last 6 years.
why are people reaching so hard here? Is it really that hard to believe that Anakin was simply beyond dooku in ROTS? Thought this discussion had been put to rest back in 2005? 😬
Dooku being tired and being inferior to Anakin are not really mutually exclusive though. I think it's logical given many times we see Dooku duel (against Yoda, and against Kenobi & Skywalker in their last fight in TCWs) he gets tired. No reason why ROTS would be different when Kenobi and Skywalker are at their peak.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I dont think its confirmed anywhere in canon that ROTS Kenobi > Maul. In fact after TCW finale Id argue Maul is almost certainly stronger with the Force at least.
Obi-Wan's feats against Anakin on Mustafar solidly place him above Maul imo. yes Anakin was overconfident but it doesn't seem like in canon Anakin was operating at a full tier below his max power like he was in Legends.