Supposed Transphobic J.K Rowling Comments

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Originally posted by StyleTime
Pressure from the world around you doesn't have to mean fear of physical violence. I'd argue fear of not passing still stems from other's reactions to you, even if not outwardly hostile: you feel like they won't acknowledge as a woman, so you feel pressured to conform.

Where I get confused is that you've stated you'd prefer to have been born female, or at least present female fulltime. So it sounds like you are transwoman possibly? It sounds like you've resigned yourself to sometimes presenting male out of necessity, rather than any desire to be a man or natural gender fluidity. Have you ever felt like you needed to rationalize your identity away over fears of not "passing?"

On this, I agree 100% with Adam though. People use the same reasoning to reject "atheist", despite literally being atheists. Bisexuals sometimes avoid the term entirely, sometimes due to how both homo/hetero crowds/partners react to it.

It doesn't make the terms any less applicable though.

That's true, to a degree. But I still would say it's mostly my own decision — I know I could live that way fully, in fact the place I work is slightly left-leaning and big on trans rights and representation. There may be a degree of assumed social pressure in my mind, but it's mostly a conscious choice, as much as is possible.

Idk man. I don't really agree with a lot of the terminology, as I've said. I think a lot of the words carry too many connotations, and people have different interpretations of them anyway. If I could click my fingers and be a woman, then I'd do that, but obviously it's not that simple and I've tried to approach it from a primarily rational point of view. I don't feel feminine when I haven't shaved, so presenting female doesn't feel right to me; in those occasions I'm happy to go back to presenting male and, unlike in the past, no longer feel dysphoric. I feel like myself either way, as gender isn't the biggest issue in my life nor the most pronounced aspect of my personality — I clearly have a deep preference, but I've learned to be happy with both.

At the same time, this is why I still describe as 'trans', despite disagreeing with the term on many levels; I may not like it, but I live it, so I concede to the general term. I just don't feel the need to have it entirely define me, which again, involves my privileged surrounding and circumstances. However: fully living like this is pretty new to me, as I only started really dealing with it properly last year, so I couldn't say how I'll feel in the future. srug Part of me thinks that if I don't fit neatly into one of the checkboxes, then maybe the current model just isn't that useful or reflective of the nuances of reality.

I think humanity has a long way to go until it truly starts comprehending the complimenting and contrasting dichotomy of masculinity and femininity. Most of modern gender rhetoric has no reference to Jungian psychology, and as far as gender goes, most of my beliefs and philosophies on the subject come from Jung, particularly his concepts of the Shadow, Anima/Animus and the collective subconscious, so I can't really take it seriously with such a major gap in its grounding.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
I’m passable when I am in femme attire, but someone will notice at some point or another that I have certain androgynous traits not typically aligned with being female, i.e my height (I’m 6’1), body structure, etc. I do not have a prominent Adam’s apple and my body type is naturally slender. Honestly though, I couldn’t give two shits about being passable. I’m just here to have a good time and look cute while doing it.
You do it amazingly either way. 😍

Your masculine and feminine traits compliment each other perfectly. Plus, your outlook is true Queen Mode.

Eon for President!

Originally posted by Scribble
Eon for President!

👆

The nation would be a better place.

^ 👆

Originally posted by Scribble
Rowling just posted a full explanation of everything that's happened so far. What led up to the controversy, and particularly her experiences with the TRAs:

https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

I haven't read it fully yet, but I'll likely browse through it properly tonight. Good on the lass.

Short excerpt:

"I knew perfectly well what was going to happen when I supported Maya. I must have been on my fourth or fifth cancellation by then. I expected the threats of violence, to be told I was literally killing trans people with my hate, to be called **** and ***** and, of course, for my books to be burned, although one particularly abusive man told me he’d composted them.

"What I didn’t expect in the aftermath of my cancellation was the avalanche of emails and letters that came showering down upon me, the overwhelming majority of which were positive, grateful and supportive. They came from a cross-section of kind, empathetic and intelligent people, some of them working in fields dealing with gender dysphoria and trans people, who’re all deeply concerned about the way a socio-political concept is influencing politics, medical practice and safeguarding. They’re worried about the dangers to young people, gay people and about the erosion of women’s and girl’s rights. Above all, they’re worried about a climate of fear that serves nobody – least of all trans youth – well."

I had a chance to read the entire thing. I can see why people melted down in reaction to it lol. It's delightful. Especially this:

“Accusations of TERFery have been sufficient to intimidate many people, institutions and organisations I once admired, who’re cowering before the tactics of the playground. ‘They’ll call us transphobic!’ ‘They’ll say I hate trans people!’ What next, they’ll say you’ve got fleas? Speaking as a biological woman, a lot of people in positions of power really need to grow a pair (which is doubtless literally possible, according to the kind of people who argue that clownfish prove humans aren’t a dimorphic species).”

Originally posted by Surtur
I had a chance to read the entire thing. I can see why people melted down in reaction to it lol. It's delightful. Especially this:

[b]“Accusations of TERFery have been sufficient to intimidate many people, institutions and organisations I once admired, who’re cowering before the tactics of the playground. ‘They’ll call us transphobic!’ ‘They’ll say I hate trans people!’ What next, they’ll say you’ve got fleas? Speaking as a biological woman, a lot of people in positions of power really need to grow a pair (which is doubtless literally possible, according to the kind of people who argue that clownfish prove humans aren’t a dimorphic species).”

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What an evil person!

What an anisogamist!

I was gonna say that I hope she doesn't bend the knee, but after reading that it seems unlikely.

And seeing how some are reacting to her...we are supposed to believe they are *not* mentally ill?

Originally posted by Surtur
I was gonna say that I hope she doesn't bend the knee, but after reading that it seems unlikely.

And seeing how some are reacting to her...we are supposed to believe they are *not* mentally ill?

People getting upset because a feminist is tired of the non-female virtue signaling/pandering to the determent of females?

It's just leftists eating leftists where everyone tries to continue to move the bar further and further away for what is acceptable enlightenment. "I am more work than you are! haha!"

"I'm not left handed, ho ho!"

Lol and with stuff like this she seems to be openly messing with them:

"The more of their accounts of gender dysphoria I’ve read, with their insightful descriptions of anxiety, dissociation, eating disorders, self-harm and self-hatred, the more I’ve wondered whether, if I’d been born 30 years later, I too might have tried to transition. The allure of escaping womanhood would have been huge."

Well good for you JK. It's nice to see someone they can't cancel stand up to them.

Originally posted by dadudemon
People getting upset because a feminist is tired of the non-female virtue signaling/pandering to the determent of females?

It's just leftists eating leftists where everyone tries to continue to move the bar further and further away for what is acceptable enlightenment. "I am more work than you are! haha!"

"I'm not left handed, ho ho!"

Gotta admit I'm laughing and cringing whenever a Harry Potter actor speaks out.

Lol some haven't even had enough courage to directly call her out, they've just made generic statements about support for trans and how trans women are women.

Fact check: they aren't women

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol and with stuff like this she seems to be openly messing with them:

[b]"The more of their accounts of gender dysphoria I’ve read, with their insightful descriptions of anxiety, dissociation, eating disorders, self-harm and self-hatred, the more I’ve wondered whether, if I’d been born 30 years later, I too might have tried to transition. The allure of escaping womanhood would have been huge."

Well good for you JK. It's nice to see someone they can't cancel stand up to them. [/B]

Much of the left-identifying community is losing their shit over this. By some sects of the trans movement, even Rowling admitting that she once wished she wasn't a woman would qualify her as trans. So now they'll have to either accept her as trans too by their own logic, or change their definition once again.

Originally posted by Scribble
Much of the left-identifying community is losing their shit over this. By some sects of the trans movement, even Rowling admitting that she once wished she wasn't a woman would qualify her as trans. So now they'll have to either accept her as trans too by their own logic, or change their definition once again.

The meltdowns are hilarious. I enjoyed this:

J.K. Rowling is still talking

"Rather than listening to organizations like GLAAD—who has stated she is preaching “an ideology which willfully distorts facts about gender identity and people who are trans” and that “there is no excuse for targeting trans people in 2020”—Rowling has a different approach: making fun of them"

Originally posted by Surtur
The meltdowns are hilarious. I enjoyed this:

J.K. Rowling is still talking

[b]"Rather than listening to organizations like GLAAD—who has stated she is preaching “an ideology which willfully distorts facts about gender identity and people who are trans” and that “there is no excuse for targeting trans people in 2020”—Rowling has a different approach: making fun of them"

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Hilarious that it's literally an article where it's a man telling a woman to shut the **** up for speaking her mind, and the left are just like, whatever, it's fine to men to tell women to shut up when the woman is critiquing, well, other men.

The left is in an almost impossibly tangled web of hypocrisy by now.

It's funny how suddenly everyone on the left is a ****ing expert on trans culture, history and definitions lmao

Originally posted by Scribble
It's funny how suddenly everyone on the left is a ****ing expert on trans culture, history and definitions lmao

Their expertise is always changing. For example earlier this year while impeachment was going on they were constitutional scholars. Then they were expert epidemiologists.

Originally posted by Surtur
Their expertise is always changing. For example earlier this year while impeachment was going on they were constitutional scholars. Then they were expert epidemiologists.
Those polymathic wunderkinds, them! Strange that they still haven't given a consistent definition of what 'trans' even means, though.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Then you should come up with one.

What if he doesn't want to? 🙂

Is it ok to shun identity, and just be?

Originally posted by cdtm
What if he doesn't want to? 🙂

Is it ok to shun identity, and just be?

This is more or less my general perspective tbh. People can get too caught up in identity labels, and lose sight of and connection with their actual self.

Originally posted by Scribble
Those polymathic wunderkinds, them! Strange that they still haven't given a consistent definition of what 'trans' even means, though.

I wanna know why they seem more accepting of people who identify as a different gender than they are people who identify as a different race.

So we are told men who identify as women should be allowed to compete in women's sports.

Should a white guy who identifies as black be able to qualify for college scholarships set aside only for African Americans?

Originally posted by Scribble
That's true, to a degree. But I still would say it's mostly my own decision — I know I could live that way fully, in fact the place I work is slightly left-leaning and big on trans rights and representation. There may be a degree of assumed social pressure in my mind, but it's mostly a conscious choice, as much as is possible.

Idk man. I don't really agree with a lot of the terminology, as I've said. I think a lot of the words carry too many connotations, and people have different interpretations of them anyway. If I could click my fingers and be a woman, then I'd do that, but obviously it's not that simple and I've tried to approach it from a primarily rational point of view. I don't feel feminine when I haven't shaved, so presenting female doesn't feel right to me; in those occasions I'm happy to go back to presenting male and, unlike in the past, no longer feel dysphoric. I feel like myself either way, as gender isn't the biggest issue in my life nor the most pronounced aspect of my personality — I clearly have a deep preference, but I've learned to be happy with both.

At the same time, this is why I still describe as 'trans', despite disagreeing with the term on many levels; I may not like it, but I live it, so I concede to the general term. I just don't feel the need to have it entirely define me, which again, involves my privileged surrounding and circumstances. However: fully living like this is pretty new to me, as I only started really dealing with it properly last year, so I couldn't say how I'll feel in the future. srug Part of me thinks that if I don't fit neatly into one of the checkboxes, then maybe the current model just isn't that useful or reflective of the nuances of reality.

I think humanity has a long way to go until it truly starts comprehending the complimenting and contrasting dichotomy of masculinity and femininity. Most of modern gender rhetoric has no reference to Jungian psychology, and as far as gender goes, most of my beliefs and philosophies on the subject come from Jung, particularly his concepts of the Shadow, Anima/Animus and the collective subconscious, so I can't really take it seriously with such a major gap in its grounding.


Well, I am not living your life, so you're the expert there. My dumb ass is definitely still learning about all this too, along with the majority of society. If you feel most yourself as a non-binary, then more power to you. Gender fluidity is definitely a thing. 👆

As corny as it sounds, I just hope you're not feeling pressure, internal or external, to alter anything about yourself. Well, with regards to gender identity anyway. If you're out punching babies, stop doing that... 👆

Side note: You might enjoy the Persona series. JRPG based on Jungian concepts. While Jung's ideas aren't quite as relevant to modern psychology, they make for incredible storytelling.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
I’m passable when I am in femme attire, but someone will notice at some point or another that I have certain androgynous traits not typically aligned with being female, i.e my height (I’m 6’1), body structure, etc. I do not have a prominent Adam’s apple and my body type is naturally slender. Honestly though, I couldn’t give two shits about being passable. I’m just here to have a good time and look cute while doing it.

👆 Hell yeah.

I've never actually asked you now that I think about it. How do you identify?