Supposed Transphobic J.K Rowling Comments

Originally posted by dadudemon
You're correct based on research out there. There are almost always multiple mental health problems that come with the Gender Dysphoria baggage.

Your result, the reduction of the dysphoria, when treating the other issues, is standard and expected.

On another note, congrats on the success. That's a lot of willpower and hard work that went into where you are, today.

Idk, it's obviously really complex, and a lot of the dialogue about it in the public sphere just isn't all that meaningful or nuanced. Most people would have a hard time even defining what 'being trans' even means, including trans people, and especially their 'allies' (simps).

Thanks though man, I appreciate it! I won't deny it took a lot of determination, but I have to give most of the credit to my newfound faith, which played a massive part in me accepting and understanding myself.

I’m not anti-trans nor transphobic. I wish every human being in this planet, cis or trans, the following: health, wealth, dignity, happiness, love, and respect. I’ll address them with whatever name or pronouns they wish me to use for them out of mutual respect. I harbor mom I’ll will towards anyone for any reason.

However, I will say that I refuse to turn a blind or ignorant or nonchalant or lackadaisical eye to basic human biology. That’s just me making known my civil and non-hostile opinion.

If Caitlyn Jenner wants to be called a woman, then fine. But I know for a fact that Caitlyn Jenner is a 70 year old man with breast implants and feminine alteration surgery.

JK Rowling is being turned into a pariah for making a civil and non-hateful statement.

The opinions and views of other people do not supersede anyone else’s opinion because of differing view points.

Originally posted by Scribble
Born male; grew up with gender dysphoria and all of its hells; wore girl's clothes from the age of like six; never identified with being a 'man'; have a deep relationship with my anima and am generally quite feminine; I now primarily present female. I deeply considered going on HRT and proceeding to full MTF transition but I realised that everything that comes along with that would probably drive me over the edge, so I didn't.

I say 'technically' because I choose not to identify as a transwoman, as I don't identify with that term. I don't 'identify' with any term: I have learned to disregard the postmodern mindgame of 'gender' and go just with biological sex, so I'm a male.

So you are male, agender, and feminine presenting. In other words, not technically a transwoman at all.

Originally posted by Impediment
I’m not anti-trans nor transphobic. I wish every human being in this planet, cis or trans, the following: health, wealth, dignity, happiness, love, and respect. I’ll address them with whatever name or pronouns they wish me to use for them out of mutual respect. I harbor mom I’ll will towards anyone for any reason.

However, I will say that I refuse to turn a blind or ignorant or nonchalant or lackadaisical eye to basic human biology. That’s just me making known my civil and non-hostile opinion.

If Caitlyn Jenner wants to be called a woman, then fine. But I know for a fact that Caitlyn Jenner is a 70 year old man with breast implants and feminine alteration surgery.

JK Rowling is being turned into a pariah for making a civil and non-hateful statement.

The opinions and views of other people do not supersede anyone else’s opinion because of differing view points.

Lets also remember that trolls are a real thing.

And J.K. Rowling was very much hated by many, for daring to be a successful little nobody. Yale English professor constantly attacked her for her mass appeal.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
So you are male, agender, and feminine presenting. In other words, not technically a transwoman at all.

Personally I don't give a shit, it's all postmodern bullshit mindgames, as I said. Agender? What a joke.

Originally posted by Impediment
I’m not anti-trans nor transphobic. I wish every human being in this planet, cis or trans, the following: health, wealth, dignity, happiness, love, and respect. I’ll address them with whatever name or pronouns they wish me to use for them out of mutual respect. I harbor mom I’ll will towards anyone for any reason.

However, I will say that I refuse to turn a blind or ignorant or nonchalant or lackadaisical eye to basic human biology. That’s just me making known my civil and non-hostile opinion.

If Caitlyn Jenner wants to be called a woman, then fine. But I know for a fact that Caitlyn Jenner is a 70 year old man with breast implants and feminine alteration surgery.

JK Rowling is being turned into a pariah for making a civil and non-hateful statement.

The opinions and views of other people do not supersede anyone else’s opinion because of differing view points.

Originally posted by Scribble
Much of the trans community would disagree with you. srug But the definitions change all the time. Since you're not trans and I am, your opinion on what I am is entirely meaningless to me.

Personally I don't give a shit, it's all postmodern bullshit mindgames, as I said. Agender? What a joke.
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But you are not transgender by your own admission. Moreover, gender is late-modernist. There is nothing postmodern about it.

First time I've heard the term.

Which means nothing because I haven't heard a lot. 😂

Is it one of those things like Generation X, where no one can really agree on the line?

Originally posted by cdtm
First time I've heard the term.

Which means nothing because I haven't heard a lot. 😂

Is it one of those things like Generation X, where no one can really agree on the line?

A postmodern position with regard to gender would skepticism of whether knowledge of gender is even possible.

There are people in this very thread arguing about medical tests to identify the biological determinates of gender. That is very much a knowledge-of-all-things-is-possible, late-modernist position.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
But you are not transgender by your own admission. Moreover, gender is late-modernist. There is nothing postmodern about it.

Originally posted by Scribble
These people are the worst thing to happen to trans people. All we want is to live our lives, look cute if possible, and get on with normal people things.

Originally posted by Scribble
Damn right we won't. As a trans person who grew up with Gender Dysphoria, I'm so glad I didn't grow up in this era, because I probably would have been interfered with by doctors before even getting a chance to properly explore my identity.

My own personal definition of trans-gender, when applying it to myself, is more in line with other words with the prefix "trans": transhuman, transmute, transform, transcend, etc. I.e., "beyond": the original Latin word means "across, over, beyond", and that's certainly how I feel about 'gender' as a concept, and how I relate to it. Interestingly, the Latin prefix has connotations of to "cross over, pass through, overcome" — I'd say that fits my experience with gender issues perfectly. Just because I don't choose a super special name for my super special unique gender, doesn't mean that my life experience doesn't clearly mark me as transgender by modern standards (and older standards, too — but who knows about future standards? I've seen the rhetoric change so much in the past few years).

Whilst gender discussion and transgender ideas were found (and, debatably, founded) in modernist texts (see: Djuna Barnes' Nightwood, one of my favourite novels), the development of gender as it exists today is distinctly postmodern: modernism tended to critique and discuss existing trends and societal structures, but postmodernism deconstructs them. The postmodern branch of thought post-structuralism in particular deconstructs existing societal structures and power models of all kinds, especially binaries — this is what intersectionality has its primary roots in, and modern leftist gender discussion comes from an intersectional perspective. 'Gender' when discussed from a left-wing perspective is distinctly postmodern in form.

I'm interested: as you don't consider me transgender, would you mind quickly defining what transgenderism is from your perspective?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
A postmodern position with regard to gender would skepticism of whether knowledge of gender is even possible.

There are people in this very thread arguing about medical tests to identify the biological determinates of gender. That is very much a knowledge-of-all-things-is-possible, late-modernist position.

You could write an essay about viewing transgenderism through the concept of artistic bricolage and it'd be a postmodern interpretation of gender, for example.

Originally posted by cdtm
First time I've heard the term.

Which means nothing because I haven't heard a lot. 😂

Is it one of those things like Generation X, where no one can really agree on the line?

But yeah, it's obviously a lot more complex than that. I'd say it's worth looking into — postmodern thought deeply affects much of how we interact with the world today, and much of modern leftist rhetoric (as well as fringe right-wing rhetoric) is rooted in some of the concepts, theories and thinkers that emerged from postmodernism.

Thanks for sharing your experience with us Scrib.

So, your sex is male. Cool.

But what gender do you identify with? I think Adam is pointing out that rejecting "male" or "female" identities would put you somewhere in the non-binary area(which includes terms like Agender), which is totally cool. If we're reading your story correctly, you don't feel male but don't necessarily feel female either?

(Thread jumped fast than I expected. Haven't read everything)

Originally posted by StyleTime
Thanks for sharing your experience with us Scrib.

So, your sex is male. Cool.

But what gender do you identify with? I think Adam is pointing out that rejecting "male" or "female" identities would put you somewhere in the non-binary area(which includes terms like Agender), which is totally cool. If we're reading your story correctly, you don't feel male but don't necessarily feel female either?

(Thread jumped fast than I expected. Haven't read everything)

"Identify with" is good wording: I certainly find 'with' more appropriate than 'as', in the case of gender. I mostly identify with femininity and womanhood and I really do wish I had been born a girl — I think it'd have suited me better and I think all-round I'd likely have been happier female. But masculinity is obviously what I know in terms of experience, so I don't disavow it, and I've learned to appreciate my masculine side, too. As such, a specific gender term doesn't do much for me, but I'm sure there are terms that'd fit me; it's just that I don't find any practical use to them. I mostly come at gender from a Jungian perspective — I'm deeply fascinated by the concepts of the anima and animus — but that's perhaps a bit long-winded to go into here, haha.

In terms of the good old pronoun question, I just go by / prefer whatever I present as, as I think pronouns are only really useful as identification markers. I would present female all the time, but passing is very important to me, so I choose to present male for my job, and live feminine as much as possible otherwise.

One thing about this I think that really pisses people off and increases the vitriol is they can't cancel J.K. Rowling lol. She doesn't need them to buy anymore of her books or watch anymore movies based on her work. She doesn't need them at all.

And they know it. This isn't the first time people have become triggered over her sensible remarks. One time GLAAD asked her to sit down and talk with them and she said f*ck off lol. Okay she didn't actually use those words she just said no, but it was a beautiful thing.

Rowling just posted a full explanation of everything that's happened so far. What led up to the controversy, and particularly her experiences with the TRAs:

https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

I haven't read it fully yet, but I'll likely browse through it properly tonight. Good on the lass.

Short excerpt:

"I knew perfectly well what was going to happen when I supported Maya. I must have been on my fourth or fifth cancellation by then. I expected the threats of violence, to be told I was literally killing trans people with my hate, to be called **** and ***** and, of course, for my books to be burned, although one particularly abusive man told me he’d composted them.

"What I didn’t expect in the aftermath of my cancellation was the avalanche of emails and letters that came showering down upon me, the overwhelming majority of which were positive, grateful and supportive. They came from a cross-section of kind, empathetic and intelligent people, some of them working in fields dealing with gender dysphoria and trans people, who’re all deeply concerned about the way a socio-political concept is influencing politics, medical practice and safeguarding. They’re worried about the dangers to young people, gay people and about the erosion of women’s and girl’s rights. Above all, they’re worried about a climate of fear that serves nobody – least of all trans youth – well."

Originally posted by Scribble
Rowling just posted a full explanation of everything that's happened so far. What led up to the controversy, and particularly her experiences with the TRAs:

https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

I haven't read it fully yet, but I'll likely browse through it properly tonight. Good on the lass.

Short excerpt:

"I knew perfectly well what was going to happen when I supported Maya. I must have been on my fourth or fifth cancellation by then. I expected the threats of violence, to be told I was literally killing trans people with my hate, to be called **** and ***** and, of course, for my books to be burned, although one particularly abusive man told me he’d composted them.

"What I didn’t expect in the aftermath of my cancellation was the avalanche of emails and letters that came showering down upon me, the overwhelming majority of which were positive, grateful and supportive. They came from a cross-section of kind, empathetic and intelligent people, some of them working in fields dealing with gender dysphoria and trans people, who’re all deeply concerned about the way a socio-political concept is influencing politics, medical practice and safeguarding. They’re worried about the dangers to young people, gay people and about the erosion of women’s and girl’s rights. Above all, they’re worried about a climate of fear that serves nobody – least of all trans youth – well."

I'll check it out after work.

The thing that annoyed me most about the original link to the tweets was one celebrity saying "Read the room."

Never liked the term, it implies you should bend with the wind instead of standing out. Like its not ok to care about anything outside the immediate mainstream.

I’m an androgynous love machine, baby.

Originally posted by cdtm
I'll check it out after work.

The thing that annoyed me most about the original link to the tweets was one celebrity saying "Read the room."

Never liked the term, it implies you should bend with the wind instead of standing out. Like its not ok to care about anything outside the immediate mainstream.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
I’m an androgynous love machine, baby.

What "room" on twitter is she supposed to read?

Originally posted by Scribble
My own personal definition of trans-gender, when applying it to myself, is more in line with other words with the prefix "trans": transhuman, transmute, transform, transcend, etc. I.e., "beyond": the original Latin word means "across, over, beyond", and that's certainly how I feel about 'gender' as a concept, and how I relate to it. Interestingly, the Latin prefix has connotations of to "cross over, pass through, overcome" — I'd say that fits my experience with gender issues perfectly. Just because I don't choose a super special name for my super special unique gender, doesn't mean that my life experience doesn't clearly mark me as transgender by modern standards (and older standards, too — but who knows about future standards? I've seen the rhetoric change so much in the past few years).

Whilst gender discussion and transgender ideas were found (and, debatably, founded) in modernist texts (see: Djuna Barnes' Nightwood, one of my favourite novels), the development of gender as it exists today is distinctly postmodern: modernism tended to critique and discuss existing trends and societal structures, but postmodernism deconstructs them. The postmodern branch of thought post-structuralism in particular deconstructs existing societal structures and power models of all kinds, especially binaries — this is what intersectionality has its primary roots in, and modern leftist gender discussion comes from an intersectional perspective. 'Gender' when discussed from a left-wing perspective is distinctly postmodern in form.

I'm interested: as you don't consider me transgender, would you mind quickly defining what transgenderism is from your perspective?

You initially stated that you are "technically a transwoman." I asked you to clarify, and you confirmed that you do not identify as a woman, trans or otherwise. Rather, you are operating with your own definition of transwoman that is not a transwoman as anyone else understands the term. You could technically be a giant too if you are operating with a personal definition of giant that no one else recognizes or shares.