Captain America vs. Silver Surfer (with a twist)

Originally posted by abhilegend
My opinion backed by proof from comics IS irrefutable. That's how debating works dude.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So if Pr said you'll accept that Superman is fast enough to blitz Surfer?

Originally posted by abhilegend
So if Pr said you'll accept that Superman is fast enough to blitz Surfer?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Go right ahead and dig those heels in if it makes you feel better. Que Sera, Sera.

Like I said, you seem to have no idea how a debate works. I don't have to refute your hypothesis, I just have to prove my opinion.

Depends on what you mean. If he simply put it forth as an opinion it, I'd disagree and might debate the point with him. If he made a ruling, I'd still disagree but wouldn't try to debate the point with him or anyone else about it.

So again you want to have your cake and eat it too?

Grounded Surfer has no chance of tagging Cap.

Goober knows it, if we replaced Surfer with any other heavy hitter in the same scenario, he would be raving about how easily Cap stomps him or her.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Grounded Surfer has no chance of tagging Cap.

Goober knows it, if we replaced Surfer with any other heavy hitter in the same scenario, he would be raving about how easily Cap stomps him or her.

Originally posted by h1a8
We know that the board doesn't give Surfer his super reactions and arm movement speed.

With that said, Surfer used nanosecond reactions and hand movement speed to grab Nova while outracing a signal. The time for Surfer to react was several nanoseconds (and he moved his hand in those nanoseconds) if we go by the distance and speed.

Also we have Surfer busting out of shackles within a fraction of a nanosecond.

We know that the board doesn't give Surfer his super reactions and arm movement speed.

Again, Surfer's board is sentient.

It does all the work for him, my impotent friend.

With that said, Surfer used nanosecond reactions and hand movement speed to grab Nova while outracing a signal. The time for Surfer to react was several nanoseconds (and he moved his hand in those nanoseconds) if we go by the distance and speed.

Namor grabbed Surfer who was using his board just fine. Nanoseconds my ass.

Also we have Surfer busting out of shackles within a fraction of a nanosecond.

Which is... what?

A short burst of superspeed, at best? Something that every character with some degree of decent speed is capable of?

Not to mention that whole scene was an illusion created by fear eater.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Again, Surfer's board is sentient.

It does all the work for him, my impotent friend.

You didn't address my post at all. A form of trolling. I'll repeat and break it down so that even a retard can understand.

We know that the board doesn't give Surfer his super reactions and arm movement speed.

The board doesn't control Surfer's arm movements. The board doesn't control Surfer's perceptions or internal reflexes.

I gave feats showing Surfer react (not the board) and move his hand several feet in the fraction of a nanosecond.

Namor grabbed Surfer who was using his board just fine. Nanoseconds my ass.

Which is... what?

A short burst of superspeed, at best? Something that every character with some degree of decent speed is capable of?

No! Surfer not only was making complete thoughts within a fraction of a nanosecond but he moved his arms several feet within the fraction of a nanosecond. That is a minimum of light speed movement and nanosecond perceptions.

Show Cap moving at least 1% of this speed or perceiving events less than 100x longer.

Originally posted by h1a8
You didn't address my post at all. A form of trolling. I'll repeat and break it down so that even a retard can understand.

The board doesn't control Surfer's arm movements. The board doesn't control Surfer's perceptions or internal reflexes.

I gave feats showing Surfer react (not the board) and move his hand several feet in the fraction of a nanosecond.
Different scene. Has nothing to do with the scene I referred to (where Surfer was moving FtL). Namor is not in thread either.

No! Surfer not only was making complete thoughts within a fraction of a nanosecond but he moved his arms several feet within the fraction of a nanosecond. That is a minimum of light speed movement and nanosecond perceptions.

Show Cap moving at least 1% of this speed or perceiving events less than 100x longer.

No insults, no flaming, no bashing.

I would really like to see Mister Darth Goober to reply to this one.

And to many others.

My question... why should we ignore the feats of elite streets and mid metas while MINDLESSLY wank the likes of Surfer?

Why?

There's not a single comic that would suggest us to do so?

Thank you.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No insults, no flaming, no bashing.

I would really like to see Mister Darth Goober to reply to this one.

And to many others.

My question... why should we ignore the feats of elite streets and mid metas while MINDLESSLY wank the likes of Surfer?

Why?

There's not a single comic that would suggest us to do so?

Thank you.

1.Elite streets and mid metas are shown as faster than Surfer in direct showing

Status: Ignore and sob in the pillow

2.Elite streets and mid metas match Surfer's feats

Status: Their feats don't count, only Surfer's do

3.Surfer's board is sentient and its feats are not Surfer's

Status: Turn the pillow over and continue sobbing

4. Surfer's feats are continuously analyzed and debunked

Status: Cry about how mean people are, how bad intentioned this thread is, then literally play dumb.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You're aware that the whole thing was an illusion, right?

If i turn around and start perceiving time on that scale then I'm going to be shocked and be like "wtf is going on, how in the hell am I counting timing things by the nanosecond". Because that's not normal for me to do.

But Surfer wasn't surprised at all. It was all normal to him.

But he still has that Nova feat.

Don't get me wrong, Superman and the flash is at least a level of magnitude faster in combat.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No insults, no flaming, no bashing.

I would really like to see Mister Darth Goober to reply to this one.

And to many others.

My question... why should we ignore the feats of elite streets and mid metas while MINDLESSLY wank the likes of Surfer?

Why?

There's not a single comic that would suggest us to do so?

Thank you.

And in regards to my own personal opinion of their speed feats, neither Cap nor Bat's stack up to stuff like Surfer searching the entire surface of Earth in moments, tracking an electrical impulse inside a giant supercomputer, or grabbing Shalla Ba from inside an explosive forcefield and getting her to safety before the explosion from the surrounding sphere reached her. Even if Supes carried them in his arms and flew at ftl so they wouldn't even have to personally navigate their bodies general movements, neither of them have the mental processing speed to do those things.

Gonna post more later when im done with work.

Originally posted by h1a8
Possibly true.
But Surfer wasn't surprised by the fact that he was calculating and perceiving within a nanosecond and moving within a nanosecond.
He did it as if it was normal to him (as if he did it before).

If i turn around and start perceiving time on that scale then I'm going to be shocked and be like "wtf is going on, how in the hell am I counting timing things by the nanosecond". Because that's not normal for me to do.

But Surfer wasn't surprised at all. It was all normal to him.

But he still has that Nova feat.

Don't get me wrong, Superman and the flash is at least a level of magnitude faster in combat.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was all an illusion.

I gave evidence that Surfer has the ability though
😕

The fact that he knew what he was doing and wasn't surprised at his ability to perceive in the nanosecond range.

That's called evidence.

Originally posted by h1a8
I gave evidence that Surfer has the ability though
😕

The fact that he knew what he was doing and wasn't surprised at his ability to perceive in the nanosecond range.

That's called evidence.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it was all in his head.

You kept saying that.
I stated that Surfer thought it was really happening and that he wasn't surprised at all to be perceiving in the nanosecond range (even if you say it was an illusion). He did it as if it was a normal thing for him.

Otherwise he would have experienced the same thing in real time (normal seconds and not nanoseconds).

Characters and actual people who does things out of the ordinary acknowledges it with some sort of surprise.

Lastly, it's a reason why the writer input 'nanosecond' instead of 'second'. Think about it.

What surfer thought was irrelevant. Fear Eater made Thor think that Ragnarok happened, doesn't mean it was real.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
U asked if guy performed ftl combat sequences. I was unsure hence why I went with i dont know or i dont recall.
U were looking for a yes or no.

But yes, combat/travel speed are apparently interchangeable now according to you.

If we have a hyperlight character, anything and anyone who deals with them must be faster. And those that deal with THEM are faster still.

Based on a character being 'hyperlight'.

Originally posted by h1a8
You kept saying that.
I stated that Surfer thought it was really happening and that he wasn't surprised at all to be perceiving in the nanosecond range (even if you say it was an illusion). He did it as if it was a normal thing for him.

Otherwise he would have experienced the same thing in real time (normal seconds and not nanoseconds).

Characters and actual people who does things out of the ordinary acknowledges it with some sort of surprise.

Lastly, it's a reason why the writer input 'nanosecond' instead of 'second'. Think about it.

Do you ever feel surprise that a debate is going well for you?

I mean, surely it depends on the skill of the illusion caster? Max Lord and Superman come to mind ,for example. Superman didn't question until the lasso was on him.