Originally posted by celeyhyga17
No.Im not choosing one.
And ive said before, he has perception and reaction speed that his board does not govern.
Im sure someone like goob or ambient may have mentioned them alreafy.For example.. Im sure most of u guys have seen his reaction feats, but...
Grabs Nova(has superspeed) by the neck and throws him away. It happenned so fast Nova thought it was an energy beam. That's pretty crazy. And please dont tell me his board controlled his limbs to snatch and grab Nova by the neck.
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Oooof.
No, I won't tell you the board controlled him.
What I WILL tell you, however, is that Nova was busy talking to Galactus just before Surfer suckered him:
And Worldmind knew exactly what hit them (as he tells Richard):
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/4/47437/1356283-nova14dcp005.jpg
Nova himself? Has no real superspeed of his own, certainly not in that series (this is when Worldmind shutdown):
The entire series relied on him giving verbal commands to Worldmind, Worldmind feeding him information, and him acting on said information. He was basically the same as you or I with Alexa, or Google Home, lol. A super powerful Alexa, to be sure, but it still relies on human input/output.
This is...really poor, lol. A near human level character getting suckershotted whilst he's chatting, whilst his AI knew full well who and what hit them, isn't a crazy feat.
Originally posted by abhilegend
It doesn't really matter what you believe. What's on panel is clear.https://i.imgur.com/IBHIUo8.jpg
"Generate psychic illusions to torment their preys".
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oooof.No, I won't tell you the board controlled him.
What I WILL tell you, however, is that Nova was busy talking to Galactus just before Surfer suckered him:
https://i.postimg.cc/28vP4bkC/RCO022-1603401366.jpgAnd Worldmind knew exactly what hit them (as he tells Richard):
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/4/47437/1356283-nova14dcp005.jpgNova himself? Has no real superspeed of his own, certainly not in that series (this is when Worldmind shutdown):
https://i.postimg.cc/X77C5FcC/RCO014-1603401339.jpgThe entire series relied on him giving verbal commands to Worldmind, Worldmind feeding him information, and him acting on said information. He was basically the same as you or I with Alexa, or Google Home, lol. A super powerful Alexa, to be sure, but it still relies on human input/output.
This is...really poor, lol. A near human level character getting suckershotted whilst he's chatting, whilst his AI knew full well who and what hit them, isn't a crazy feat.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
The idea that Nova has no superspeed is ridiculous. This interaction with worldmind was a cool storytelling feature often employed by abnett/lanning.
He's not your traditional speedster, but his ability to move and react at superhuman speeds is well documented even before becoming Nova Prime.
But I am referring specifically to Abnett/Lanning interpretations.
He was suckershot as he was trying to reason with Galactus, Worldmind knew exactly what it was that hit him.....the feat just isn't as crazy as you want it to be.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But I am referring specifically to Abnett/Lanning interpretations.He was suckershot as he was trying to reason with Galactus, Worldmind knew exactly what it was that hit him.....the feat just isn't as crazy as you want it to be.
Nova's superspeed didnt go away. With his upgrade, it stands to reason that he should be even faster and not have diminishing of ability.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
So looking back, the illusions weren't just pure mental. They actually manifested physically. The fear eater did have power to affect his victims physically as well as mentally.
For example, Surfer was forcefully teleported to earth. There was also a scene where Surfer was turned back to mortal form and fear eater specifically had to protect Surfer from the "rigors of space". The barrier too seemed phsyical, but nowhere near the durability of Galactus's. The shackles he created looked physical as well and made Surfer tgink his energy was being drained. All these things were used to make him feel helpless.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Nova himself? Has no real superspeed of his own, certainly not in that series (this is when Worldmind shutdown):
?? Nova's reflexes and speed are well established. He was the human rocket for decades.
He regularly fights at FTL speeds and moves of his on volition:
https://i.imgur.com/EMw7F8K.jpg
And he doesn't just fly in a straight-line, he constantly reacts/dodges at those speeds:
https://i.imgur.com/vCDYarL.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/keiLLBu.jpg
He can also run at traditional super-speed:
https://i.imgur.com/jSdWRZh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/2EHLxhw.jpg
How can you read DnA's Nova Prime, and say he doesn't have super speed lol. They're HUGE Nova fans, and it's been established for decades he's super fast:
That was with a small portion of the Nova Force, he's WAY more powerful now:
https://i.imgur.com/9zTXruu.jpg
Usually, I'd say flight speed =/= reaction speed, but Nova's unique situation (He flies of his own propulsion and regularly does complicated attacks) would mean he has FTL reaction:
The entire series is Nova flying around at super speed blasting shit tbh.
Also, no offence, but your example, don't you think it's kind of dumb? If I posted every time Flash or Superman were caught off guard (Especially by a powerful exotic enemy), you'd think they were as fast as the Thing.
P.S. the WM was a super computer, and Nova's body was fast enough to react to it's non-verbal commands being fed into his body.
Originally posted by Ambient
Reflex and speed.https://imgur.com/dwryF8A
Against insta teleportationhttps://imgur.com/YyCck5I
Ala capt.Durability & low.
https://imgur.com/E1mg3S7
Notice that’s She Hulkhttps://imgur.com/a/KHcN1Tu
Wonder man and Storm couldn’t even put him down in that weakened state, how’s In the world is Cap going to do it against a full powered version.https://imgur.com/YdaxMmX
Against a planet destroying blast.So let’s see we have Surfer reacting and attacking a near instantaneous teleportation coupled with a durability withstanding a barrage of attack from a blood lusted Wonderman and storm at a weakened state, this feats should be sufficient enough evidence to suggest that this is spite. Anyone who thinks otherwise Is not al right in the mind.
Those are pretty good.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Regular humans have durability feats like being durable enough to survive an explosion point blank and/or extended beatings from cl 100s like Doomsday. They're sometimes shown to be strong enough to shatter hardened steel and break out of full nelsons and bear hugs from people we know to be dozens(if not hundreds) of times stronger than they are. Their moves have even been known to chump guys like Flash and Supes in close combat.Point is, the fact that "humans" have superhuman feats doesn't invalidate the superhuman nature of the feats of other characters. If Cap/Batman/Daredevil/Deathstroke have lightspeed feats then that's good for them, but it doesn't change the fact that Surfer has lightspeed feats of his own. Now if people want to argue that Cap(or any other street level guy) can bob and weave around Surfer like nothing because he's a legit lightspeed+ fighter and he has the feats to back it up then that's their case to make, but someone like Karate Kid throwing around kryptonians doesn't prove that Kryptonians are approximately equal to humans. Those are feats FOR the character who preforms them, it doesn't take away from the abilities of their opponents.
Very sensible.
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We should make a Nightwing/Batman vs. Superman/Wonder Woman (No flight) thread.
