Captain America vs. Silver Surfer (with a twist)

Started by abhilegend20 pages

And how exactly is that different from Daredevil or Logan mowing down countless hand ninjas?

Originally posted by abhilegend
And how exactly is that different from Daredevil or Logan mowing down countless hand ninjas?

Hand Ninjas dont get at you at hyperlight speeds.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17

It was designed to kill hyper light viruses. Doesn't mean the antibodies were FTL. Don't you read your own scans?

Average hand ninja is already faster than Surfer.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was designed to kill hyper light viruses. Doesn't mean the antibodies were FTL. Don't you read your own scans?

Lol..

An immune system uses cells and antibodies to attack foreign organisms and substances.

Ego's was made kill ftl intruders. Logically speaking it should have absolutley overwhelmed such a "slow" organism. 😉
It couldn't.

No amount of mental gymnastics can save detractors here.

Like when they overwhelmed him, you mean? 😂
So still none without his board ,I see.

lmao

Celey is doing an even worse job here than in the Thor vs. Street Levelers Speed Comparison thread, lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Like when they overwhelmed him, you mean? 😂
So still none without his board ,I see.

He most likely couldve destroyed them all. U mustve missed the part where he purposely stopped for fear of endangering Ego's life.

Lol. His board is his calling card. He's gonna have it with him 99 out of a 100.
Apparently reacting to and attacking countless enemies designed to kill ftl opponents is not enuff. I mean....
🙁

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Celey is doing an even worse job here than in the Thor vs. Street Levelers Speed Comparison thread, lol.

Oh please..

Im still waiting for that bz.

Even humans have massive reflex feats while on his board.

Where are Surfer's without it?

Regular humans have durability feats like being durable enough to survive an explosion point blank and/or extended beatings from cl 100s like Doomsday. They're sometimes shown to be strong enough to shatter hardened steel and break out of full nelsons and bear hugs from people we know to be dozens(if not hundreds) of times stronger than they are. Their moves have even been known to chump guys like Flash and Supes in close combat.

Point is, the fact that "humans" have superhuman feats doesn't invalidate the superhuman nature of the feats of other characters. If Cap/Batman/Daredevil/Deathstroke have lightspeed feats then that's good for them, but it doesn't change the fact that Surfer has lightspeed feats of his own. Now if people want to argue that Cap(or any other street level guy) can bob and weave around Surfer like nothing because he's a legit lightspeed+ fighter and he has the feats to back it up then that's their case to make, but someone like Karate Kid throwing around kryptonians doesn't prove that Kryptonians are approximately equal to humans. Those are feats FOR the character who preforms them, it doesn't take away from the abilities of their opponents.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Even humans have massive reflex feats while on his board.

Where are Surfer's without it?


He's performing physical acts against, targetting, reacting to, and perceiving multiple assailants at all angles, designed to kill intruders who can go ftl. And he was not exclusively on his board every step of the way.

Originally posted by Philosophía
This is not instant teleportation. The teleportation destination is visible in the infrared spectrum before he materializes. It's not dissimilar to Magneto, for example, being able to know where Nightcrawler teleports before he does so:
https://imgur.com/a/KMWwMaq

The board is sentient -- like a separate character that is connected to Surfer. He can give it commands and then do something else while it obeys.

That is basic comic knowledge


Stupid iPhone apostrophes.
The fact that you didn't address #2 means you conceded the argument.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Lol..

An immune system uses cells and antibodies to attack foreign organisms and substances.

Ego's was made kill ftl intruders. Logically speaking it should have absolutley overwhelmed such a "slow" organism. 😉
It couldn't.

Thanos has overcome the same antibodies. He must be FTL too?

No amount of mental gymnastics can save detractors here.

😂

Idiot.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Regular humans have durability feats like being durable enough to survive an explosion point blank and/or extended beatings from cl 100s like Doomsday. They're sometimes shown to be strong enough to shatter hardened steel and break out of full nelsons and bear hugs from people we know to be dozens(if not hundreds) of times stronger than they are. Their moves have even been known to chump guys like Flash and Supes in close combat.

Have they now? You mean to say if Superman blitzes Batman it means he is blitzing a FTL being?

Point is, the fact that "humans" have superhuman feats doesn't invalidate the superhuman nature of the feats of other characters. If Cap/Batman/Daredevil/Deathstroke have lightspeed feats then that's good for them, but it doesn't change the fact that Surfer has lightspeed feats of his own. Now if people want to argue that Cap(or any other street level guy) can bob and weave around Surfer like nothing because he's a legit lightspeed+ fighter and he has the feats to back it up then that's their case to make, but someone like Karate Kid throwing around kryptonians doesn't prove that Kryptonians are approximately equal to humans. Those are feats FOR the character who preforms them, it doesn't take away from the abilities of their opponents.

😂

Give one hypersonic speed feat for Surfer without his board, forget FTL.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thanos has overcome the same antibodies. He must be FTL too?
😂

Did he? When?

Iirc only Thor and Rom has fought his antibodies.
With Thor, Ego created antibodies based on Thor's genetic makeup(clones). So Thor essentially fought countless clones of himself.
In rom's case he fought some, but not nearly as many as the other 2. Also he was overwhelmed until he used a wide beam neutralizer to blast them off him.

Anyways, this story is separate from those books. You can't simply hand wave away particular dictates of a story just because you don't like it.


Idiot.

No need to be angry.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Did he? When?

Iirc only Thor and Rom has fought his antibodies.
With Thor, Ego created antibodies based on Thor's genetic makeup(clones). So Thor essentially fought countless clones of himself.
In rom's case he fought some, but not nearly as many as the other 2. Also he was overwhelmed until he used a wide beam neutralizer to blast them off him.

Anyways, this story is separate from those books. You can't simply hand wave away particular dictates of a story just because you don't like it.

Thanos, a god up there listening.

Right, because the stories exist in vacuum now.

No need to be angry.

Laughing at your stupidity more like it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thanos, a god up there listening.

Right, because the stories exist in vacuum now.


Just checked. He never faced antibodies.

Like I said, it's faulty to treat things exactly the same in such a medium. Iirc there was not even one mention of antibodies, even though Ego ingested him in the story.



Laughing at your stupidity more like it.

Anger levels at 9000. It's just comics my guy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Have they now? You mean to say if Superman blitzes Batman it means he is blitzing a FTL being?

😂

Give one hypersonic speed feat for Surfer without his board, forget FTL.


Sure they have. I mean are you denying that peakhuman/low superhuman have accomplished all those things? Of course they have. As for the example, no that's not what I'm trying to convey, but Hell it's not like it'd be technically inaccurate depending on how one judges things. Bat's has(to varying degrees of success) mounted offenses and/or defenses against the speed of guys like Impulse, Zoom, Wonder Woman, and Supes... So if one were inclined to totally disregard meta notions like PIS or SMvF then I'd say he definitely has the feats to back up the claim.

But as I mentioned, no that's not actually what I'm saying because I factor in things like PIS as a matter of logic and common sense. Batman's character concept doesn't support the notion that he possesses that level of speed IMO so I toss out a lot of his craziest feats when I size him up, just as I do for many others of a similar nature. I don't throw out all their crazy stuff by any stretch of the imagination, but I've seen the on panel narration specifically say that Cap was moving at the speed of light at least once(possibly twice) and I still refuse to credit him with that level of ability because it exceeds the maximum level to which I can suspend disbelief. Others are free to disagree of course, I'm just saying how I personally weigh things from my perspective as a reader/fan.