Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Just checked. He never faced antibodies.
He did. Ego threw everything at him.
Like I said, it's faulty to treat things exactly the same in such a medium. Iirc there was not even one mention of antibodies, even though Ego ingested him in the story.
Do you know how indigestion works?
Anger levels at 9000. It's just comics my guy.
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Originally posted by darthgoober
Sure they have. I mean are you denying that peakhuman/low superhuman have accomplished all those things? Of course they have. As for the example, no that's not what I'm trying to convey, but Hell it's not like it'd be technically inaccurate depending on how one judges things. Bat's has(to varying degrees of success) mounted offenses and/or defenses against the speed of guys like Impulse, Zoom, Wonder Woman, and Supes... So if one were inclined to totally disregard meta notions like PIS or SMvF then I'd say he definitely has the feats to back up the claim.
So if Superman can blitz characters with FTL feats like Batman as you say, why can't he blitz character with similar feats like Surfer?
But as I mentioned, no that's not actually what I'm saying because I factor in things like PIS as a matter of logic and common sense. Batman's character concept doesn't support the notion that he possesses that level of speed IMO so I toss out a lot of his craziest feats when I size him up, just as I do for many others of a similar nature. I don't throw out all their crazy stuff by any stretch of the imagination, but I've seen the on panel narration specifically say that Cap was moving at the speed of light at least once(possibly twice) and I still refuse to credit him with that level of ability because it exceeds the maximum level to which I can suspend disbelief. Others are free to disagree of course, I'm just saying how I personally weigh things from my perspective as a reader/fan.
Surfer's character concept doesn't support him having speedster level speed or reflexes either. He is no different from Green Lantern or Thor in that regard. Its just that he has a surfboard instead of a ring and hammer and it frees him to do some hand movements in travel but that's not proof of superspeed anymore than GL sommersaulting in flight making him fight at superspeed.
But you want to have your cake and eat it too. That's nice.
Also....I mean, sure it's all fun and games to bring up Batman and DD etc....
But the fundamental point still remains - where are these amazing speed feats of Surfer without his board? Even in celeys attempt, we have his board present,cutting them up for him before he gets overwhelmed. Moreover,them dealing with hyperlight viruses doesn't mean they're FTL, any more than say Captain Cold or Weather Wizard or Trickster or Captain Boomerang get Flash's highest speed feats.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Sure they have. I mean are you denying that peakhuman/low superhuman have accomplished all those things? Of course they have. As for the example, no that's not what I'm trying to convey, but Hell it's not like it'd be technically inaccurate depending on how one judges things. Bat's has(to varying degrees of success) mounted offenses and/or defenses against the speed of guys like Impulse, Zoom, Wonder Woman, and Supes... So if one were inclined to totally disregard meta notions like PIS or SMvF then I'd say he definitely has the feats to back up the claim.But as I mentioned, no that's not actually what I'm saying because I factor in things like PIS as a matter of logic and common sense. Batman's character concept doesn't support the notion that he possesses that level of speed IMO so I toss out a lot of his craziest feats when I size him up, just as I do for many others of a similar nature. I don't throw out all their crazy stuff by any stretch of the imagination, but I've seen the on panel narration specifically say that Cap was moving at the speed of light at least once(possibly twice) and I still refuse to credit him with that level of ability because it exceeds the maximum level to which I can suspend disbelief. Others are free to disagree of course, I'm just saying how I personally weigh things from my perspective as a reader/fan.
Darth, who do you think wins this one?
Originally posted by h1a8h1, you said Spiderman can't dance around Surfer. I showed you he did. Are you ready to apologize and maybe ask me for information, before you, uninformed as you are, continue spewing unsupported gibberish that you then cry about people not taking you seriously?
Stupid iPhone apostrophes.
The fact that you didn't address #2 means you conceded the argument.
Get better. It's not too late.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWI ,for one, can't eyeball the difference between cowshit and horseshit.
Celey is doing an even worse job here than in the Thor vs. Street Levelers Speed Comparison thread, lol.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85👆
Also....I mean, sure it's all fun and games to bring up Batman and DD etc....But the fundamental point still remains - where are these amazing speed feats of Surfer without his board? Even in celeys attempt, we have his board present,cutting them up for him before he gets overwhelmed. Moreover,them dealing with hyperlight viruses doesn't mean they're FTL, any more than say Captain Cold or Weather Wizard or Trickster or Captain Boomerang get Flash's highest speed feats.
The anti-bodies purpose is to swarm hyper light viruses [assuming this refers to speed, of course]. Seeing as how they had an easy time swarming Surfer, that purpose was fulfilled -- they were just not powerful/durable enough to actually kill him. Same way, I dunno, if a "hyper light virus" like a random Green Lantern had been in Mogo, it would also overpower them with blasts/constructs.
Abhi was quite right when he called them hand ninja antibodies, lol.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also....I mean, sure it's all fun and games to bring up Batman and DD etc....But the fundamental point still remains - where are these amazing speed feats of Surfer without his board? Even in celeys attempt, we have his board present,cutting them up for him before he gets overwhelmed. Moreover,them dealing with hyperlight viruses doesn't mean they're FTL, any more than say Captain Cold or Weather Wizard or Trickster or Captain Boomerang get Flash's highest speed feats.
Look beyond the board. He is reacting to multiple assailants at designed to take down ftl intruders. He was also not on his board exclusively.
As per the comic, they kill hyperlight intruders. How else can they hope to match ftl intruders. Literally all they do is follow and directly get at u. Is there something else u saw how they handle intruders?
Now im seeing they "swarm". Lol. You cant stack statues right?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Thats a 2 faced question guy.
He has his board 99 out of a 100. Its like when abhi forces a question about thor, but wait.. Oh no. No hammer.. No, no, no.Look beyond the board. He is reacting to multiple assailants at designed to take down ftl intruders. He was also not on his board exclusively.
As per the comic, they kill hyperlight intruders. How else can they hope to match ftl intruders. Literally all they do is follow and directly get at u. Is there something else u saw how they handle intruders?
Now im seeing they "swarm". Lol. You cant stack statues right?
Wonder Woman has broken chains designed to hold Superman, Black Panther has broken cells designed to hold the Hulk. Doesn't mean they are stronger than Superman or Hulk.
You're an idiot.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Thats a 2 faced question guy.
He has his board 99 out of a 100. Its like when abhi forces a question about thor, but wait.. Oh no. No hammer.. No, no, no.Look beyond the board. He is reacting to multiple assailants at designed to take down ftl intruders. He was also not on his board exclusively.
As per the comic, they kill hyperlight intruders. How else can they hope to match ftl intruders. Literally all they do is follow and directly get at u. Is there something else u saw how they handle intruders?
Now im seeing they "swarm". Lol. You cant stack statues right?
And Captain Cold, Boomerang, Pied Piper, Trickster, Murmur etc all swarm Flash.
So is there something else showing how Captain Boomerang deals with Flash? He literally throws curved sticks, lol. Does that mean.... Captain Boomerang outruns light and Death? Can move so fast he effortlessly time travels?
Because he deals with Flash, a bona fide FTL speedster.
But you're right. 99/100 Surfer has his board. So....he must have like 100s of appearances, right? Since 1960s?
So that's like....8?9?10? Showings without his board.
All we ask for is 1, lol.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And Captain Cold, Boomerang, Pied Piper, Trickster, Murmur etc all swarm Flash.So is there something else showing how Captain Boomerang deals with Flash? He literally throws curved sticks, lol. Does that mean.... Captain Boomerang outruns light and Death? Can move so fast he effortlessly time travels?
Because he deals with Flash, a bona fide FTL speedster.
But you're right. 99/100 Surfer has his board. So....he must have like 100s of appearances, right? Since 1960s?
So that's like....8?9?10? Showings without his board.
All we ask for is 1, lol.
he was killing them as fast as they replicated but stopped because they’re a part of Ego.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't know, swarm the viruses from all sides like they did with Surfer.Wonder Woman has broken chains designed to hold Superman, Black Panther has broken cells designed to hold the Hulk. Doesn't mean they are stronger than Superman or Hulk.
You're an idiot.
K, lets make this simple.
Lets take a ftl intruder. It invades ego. They attempt to attack the intruder. How fast are the immune cells/antibodies going? Is there a specific number or level u had in mind? Is there a ball park? Now keep in mind they are "designed to kill hyperlight" intruders...
Are they street level fast? Are they going the speed of sound? Are they just under c?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
"Swarm"? Sigh... This halfhearted answer makes me think u dont actually believe what u guys r saying and these arguments have no real legs to stand on.K, lets make this simple.
Lets take a ftl intruder. It invades ego. They attempt to attack the intruder. How fast are the immune cells/antibodies going? Is there a specific number or level u had in mind? Is there a ball park? Now keep in mind they are "designed to kill hyperlight" intruders...
Are they street level fast? Are they going the speed of sound? Are they just under c?
just out of curiousity do you think that's an open ended statement? When Ego says his anti bodies are made to stop hyper light viruses. it doesn’t necessarily mean they attack at FTL, or does it?
You're prob right, just wondering
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And Captain Cold, Boomerang, Pied Piper, Trickster, Murmur etc all swarm Flash.So is there something else showing how Captain Boomerang deals with Flash? He literally throws curved sticks, lol. Does that mean.... Captain Boomerang outruns light and Death? Can move so fast he effortlessly time travels?
Because he deals with Flash, a bona fide FTL speedster.
But you're right. 99/100 Surfer has his board. So....he must have like 100s of appearances, right? Since 1960s?
So that's like....8?9?10? Showings without his board.
All we ask for is 1, lol.
These are basically mindless drones that have the ability to kill intruders, that can move ftl as per the comic. It's pretty cut and dry. Lets not make it more complicated.
Jeez.. 99/100 is an expression. He basically has it with him all the time as if that weren't clear enough.
And again... For the sake of argument, lets pretend u agree that these drones can actually move fast enuff to subdue ftl intruders. Surfer was not only surfing around ramming into them. He was actively performing a whole host of physical acts and some without his board. U cant just throw an entire shwoing just because he had his board in the story.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
just out of curiousity do you think that's an open ended statement? When Ego says his anti bodies are made to stop hyper light viruses. it doesn’t necessarily mean they attack at FTL, or does it?You're prob right, just wondering
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
My guy U r talking about comic characters with their own histories and baggage of pis/cis.These are basically mindless drones that have the ability to kill intruders, that can move ftl as per the comic. It's pretty cut and dry. Lets not make it more complicated.
Jeez.. 99/100 is an expression. He basically has it with him all the time as if that weren't clear enough.
And again... For the sake of argument, lets pretend u agree that these drones can actually move fast enuff to subdue ftl intruders. Surfer was not only surfing around ramming into them. He was actively performing a whole host of physical acts and some without his board. U cant just throw an entire shwoing just because he had his board in the story.
Yeah. He does the sword thing and blasts while the board/sword acts independently and cuts through the anti bodies: