Originally posted by GalacticStormlol, is that what I'm "giving"? Ok diva, go off.
Comics are a gender inclusive medium to debate about. But the energy you bring to the table whilst doing so is a whole other matter entirely.You've been giving nothing but bitchy sidekick.
Run along and do what research you need to do. I'll be waiting 🙂
"Bitchy sidekick" is pretty funny tho. I can roll with that.
YouTube video On the subject of side kicks. I'm actually not comparing to anyone here, but it made me laugh. As far as I know, no one here has laughed at a man being blind.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Absolute joke 😆You do realise people can read and see your outright lies right? 😱
Theres a difference between countering a point and just replying.
I'll post the outstanding points again:
So, you're basically quanchi now, repeating same shit, over and over despite having being countered multiple times?
If youve addressed the points ive quoted then quote yourself and highlight your evidenced counter. Where did you provide comic book evidence to address the points ive quoted? That Doom scan is included in my quote as it actually ended up supporting me LOL. [b]QUOTE YOURSELF 🙂
I've addressed literally every point. You're just being a troll now.
This should be interesting 😖hifty: [/B]
Originally posted by abhilegend
So, you're basically quanchi now, repeating same shit, over and over despite having being countered multiple times?
If you've countered the points in question, then go through the very simple process of quoting yourself.
You ignored them, and when I highlighted this and asked for answers, you said Oh I countered them already.
Cool. Quote your alleged counter. 🙂
We both know you dodged them because you've been left stumped.
You now lie because your inability to address said points, means the debate is pretty much over.
Yet another debate where I've reduced your ass to a fugitive. fear
I'm cool with this 😮💨
Now this here is what a grown ass man does when he's wrong:
Originally posted by Juntai
You might have got me on the pieces of realms part, I think
Integrity.
Abhi dodges points he can't address and when that fails just lies and says he addressed them. Like people can't just read the thread 😆
Game. Set. Match. 😮💨
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If you've countered the points in question, then go through the very simple process of quoting yourself.You ignored them, and when I highlighted this and asked for answers, you said Oh I countered them already.
Cool. Quote your alleged counter. 🙂
We both know you dodged them because you've been left stumped.
You now lie because your inability to address said points, means the debate is pretty much over.
Yet another debate where I've reduced your ass to a fugitive. fear
I'm cool with this 😮💨
This is always the amusing part, denial after getting curbstomped.
Go home kid, you're not up to it.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course it is over, with your humiliation.I don't need anyone to verify what happened here lol. I destroyed you, again.
Run home with your tail tucked in.
Then quote your counter you fraud 😖hifty:
I've got this in the bag 😉
GS smokin deluded masters and legends from day 1 😮💨
Originally posted by Stoicyeah they just did it. But it was also regular Raven, not mega amped Future State Raven though they did briefly mention it. I did love how they just flat out point out that Raven is better in combat with high level entities.
Death Battle has this exact fight. Raven won but it was close.
Raven also already beat Dark Phoenix in the old 80s crossover TT/Xmen using her emotions against her under Clairmonts pen. But you know, rules against crossovers, and it was eventually moved to crossover universe in Marvel I believe.
Originally posted by Juntai
yeah they just did it. But it was also regular Raven, not mega amped Future State Raven though they did briefly mention it. I did love how they just flat out point out that Raven is better in combat with high level entities.
Since when is Death Battle an authority to be respected? As superficial an analysis as they come.
One that completely ignores historical context and power creep.
If for the sake of argument we were to just look at the most famous appearance of Dark Phoenix from 1980, you have to consider the fact that she only appeared in 3 issues (Uncanny X-men 135 to 137) whereas Raven is a comic staple who has been able to benefit from decades of power creep.
When the Dark Phoenix appeared in 1980, feats were at a lower scope and power level, stars were written as the ultimate source of power. Feats involving stars were used as the highest benchmark to demonstrate power and durability.
For example, attacking Korvac with a supernova was stated by LT to be his "ultimate punishment"
and when that failed he had nothing left in his arsenal and fled, thereby demonstrating how high level star feats were in comics in the late 70's/early 80s.
then you have Dark Phoenix out there eating stars! In this same arc she was stated on panel to be second only to TOAA demonstrating that at that point in time, she was regarded by Marvel as top of the hierarchy.
1970's/early 80s Raven was nowhere near that level. Its only through decades of power creep that she can be mentioned in the same sentence as Dark Phoenix and not through comparing modern Phoenix feats with modern Raven feats, but through modern Raven feats with 40 yr old Phoenix ones. 😬
Originally posted by Juntai
Raven also already beat Dark Phoenix in the old 80s crossover TT/Xmen using her emotions against her under Clairmonts pen. But you know, rules against crossovers, and it was eventually moved to crossover universe in Marvel I believe.
This is completely untrue Juntai.
Youre doing what you did in our earlier Future State discussion where youre asserting things confidently despite the fact that the point is based on a vague recollection you have of a read from the very distant past.
Raven attempted to restrain and defeat Phoenix and found herself woefully outmatched and ended up a crying heap on the floor:
Xavier then pondered on the fact that this Dark Phoenix was actually just an incomplete facsimile cobbled together by Darkseid from the remnants of the real deal and this gave it an exploitable weakness.
Xavier and Raven then joined forces to attack this Dark Phoenix incarnation:
Xavier then engaged this facsimile in a psi-war and by breaking its concentration, disrupted its tether to reality that it was consciously maintaining before this point and it began to discorporate:
So Xavier got Raven to pull herself together and stop crying on the floor so she could make herself useful and help him take crucial steps that would eventually lead to the Dark Phoenix facsimile inadvertently committing suicide again in an attempt to avoid discorporation:
So to sum things up, if we are talking about the Dark Phoenix that appeared in Uncanny X-men 135 to 137 and that appearance alone, as a result of the time it was written in (i.e the threshold for feats at the time), there's a stronger argument for Unkindness winning, despite her lack of on panel solo feats of note.
However given the thread creator did not set such parameters, we know in modern times that Dark Phoenix is simply a state of mind that any Phoenix host can reach when they're embracing their destructive, baser nature. As such modern Phoenix feats would apply. Top Jean Phoenix feats actually displayed on panel and performed by her solo grossly outweigh conclusively solo Unkindness feats that were actually depicted on panel, therefore Dark Phoenix wins. 😬
the various forms of hulk are also a state of mind for him. but if a thread op says "savage hulk", we don't assume he's going to be hopping into his "wbh" powerlevels for example. we use feats from that ONE specific version of hulk, and don't scale him up based on the feats of his other more powerful versions.
same is true for dark phoenix. that title represents ONE version of phoenix. so only the feats preformed by that ONE version should be usable in this thread.