Originally posted by abhilegend
You're simply not worth the effort. Even master, a clown of highest degree was at least coherent.Nope, you just cherry picked a few scans as usual.
Again, simply nonsense. Timeline reset doesn't need universal power in marvel, too many examples to count.
Incoherent babbling is all you have. Let me know when Bishop gets universal feats for reversing Age of Apocalypse timeline change.
Random nonsense is random nonsense. They undid the original diversion in time, that's all they did. Just like in heroes reborn, they only destroyed the pandemonium cube to revert 616 universe back to normal which they even referenced here. Which is a homage to Captain Marvel destroying cosmic cube to revert universe to normal after Thanos changed it.
They literally didn't reality warp an entire universe lol.
Absolute nonsense. Read heroes return which is referred as to how they revert timeline to normal, by destroying the original object which reverted the timeline.
You're an illiterate child, why would I hate you?
Yet another disposable post from someone who is clearly out of their depth 🙂
The gist of it is "Nonsense...nonsense..nonsense" to my posts that you couldnt counter. Which was virtually all of them! 😱 😆
So i no longer need to go point for point with you as you remain dumbfounded and handled by my previous works. So instead you'll get a lil summary.
1)Aarons Avengers run established the multiverse is composed of 616 universes. Until you share Marvel publications that have come after April 2023 that disprove this point, then the point stands. Your views to the contrary as ever remain insufficient. ✅
2)I didnt say that altering an event was in itself a universal scale feat, but what i did do was highlight your farcical attempt to diminish Phoenixes feat, by equating the methods she used (remote chronal alteration of the timeline) to what Bishop did, (physically travelling back in time and engaging in low level fisticuffs) 😬
3)Furthermore what you persistently seem unable to grasp is altering an event to reset reality wasnt the extent of Phoenixes feat. She altered history, but then merged aspects of the superseded reality,(the multiversal Avengers and their lives) with the restored reality, thereby creating a modified version of the original reality except with the thousands of multiversal Avengers members now a part of it:
You have given zero counter for that 2nd part of the process. All you've made is a weak attempt to write off and diminish the whole feat by likening the 1st part of the process (the event alteration) to what Bishop did despite the vastly different methods employed. 🙄
Another L for the display cabinet. Youre on a roll Abigail 😆
Originally posted by Smurph
Right. And Jean, in that mindset, has never performed a universal feat?
Let it go bro. Youre not gonna get anywhere with this. 😬
Its the same character, same abilities, same experience. There is no getting past that. You would have to prove that according to canon, when a Phoenix host goes Dark Phoenix, their abilities change.
Good luck with your research 👆
Originally posted by GalacticStormAwfully evasive for a yes/no question
Let it go bro. Youre not gonna get anywhere with this. 😬Its the same character, same abilities, same experience. There is no getting past that. You would have to prove that according to canon, when a Phoenix host goes Dark Phoenix, their abilities change.
Good luck with your research 👆
Originally posted by Senor Cage
Which feats do you see on par with Raven's? GS isn't saying much.
Ive said plenty throughout this thread. Either youre ignoring my points or failing to mentally process their significance. Thats on you. 😬
Can you highlight one single SOLO feat of note that Unkindness did on panel that makes her top tier?
Because apart from taking out the Wizard, i cant seem to identify a damn thing.
Take it away Senor Cage 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ive said plenty throughout this thread. Either youre ignoring my points or failing to mentally process their significance. Thats on you. 😬Can you highlight one single [B]SOLO
feat of note that Unkindness did on panel that makes her top tier?Because apart from taking out the Wizard, i cant seem to identify a damn thing.
Take it away Senor Cage 🙂 [/B]
Like you said, we've said plenty. At this point, I doubt you'd change our or yours opinion.
Originally posted by GalacticStormK, we'll, I've asked five times and you keep avoiding the question. I guess at some point you have to draw the adverse inference.
Your intentions are transparent. The onus is on you to demonstrate that within canon, that going Dark Phoenix means a change in a hosts abilities. 🙂Get to work whip
So Jean, operating under the Dark Phoenix mindset, has no universal feats. In fact, no host with the Dark Phoenix mindset does.
What would you say is the best feat of anybody operating under the Dark Phoenix mindset?
Originally posted by Senor Cage
Like you said, we've said plenty. At this point, I doubt you'd change our or yours opinion.
"We've?!" 😱
You aint said a damn thing. You ride coattails boy! 😆
I debunked all feats and highlighted them as misinterpretation, exaggerations and works of collaboration. Thats why the debate on Unkindness ended days ago and has now switched to a Phoenix focus cos you all got cooked. 😮💨
I repeat:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ive said plenty throughout this thread. Either youre ignoring my points or failing to mentally process their significance. Thats on you. 😬Can you highlight one single [B]SOLO
feat of note that Unkindness did on panel that makes her top tier?Because apart from taking out the Wizard, i cant seem to identify a damn thing.
Take it away Senor Cage 🙂 [/B]
I'll wait book
Originally posted by Smurph
K, we'll, I've asked five times and you keep avoiding the question. I guess at some point you have to draw the adverse inference.So Jean, operating under the Dark Phoenix mindset, has no universal feats. In fact, no host with the Dark Phoenix mindset does.
What would you say is the best feat of anybody operating under the Dark Phoenix mindset?
Ive addressed your point. Just not in the way youre trying to lead me into but thats a YOU problem. Youre nonsensically trying to debate as if the Phoenix colours represent different entities. If they dont represent different entities and instead are just a matter of temperament then there is zero distinction to be made between different states.
If youre making an assertion then the onus is on you to evidence your point.
Please show where in canon it is stated that there is a difference in abilities once a Phoenix host goes Dark Phoenix?
Thats the crux of the matter. Without said proof you have nothing 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStormWell it's not just a "matter of temperament". In your words:
Ive addressed your point. Just not in the way youre trying to lead me into but thats a YOU problem. Youre nonsensically trying to debate as if the Phoenix colours represent different entities. If they dont represent different entities and instead are just a matter of temperament then there is zero distinction to be made between different states.If youre making an assertion then the onus is on you to evidence your point.
Please show where in canon it is stated that there is a difference in abilities once a Phoenix host goes Dark Phoenix?
Thats the crux of the matter. Without said proof you have nothing 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStormDark Phoenix is just a reference to a state of mind that a Phoenix host can reach when its fully embracing its destructive urges and loses inhibitions:
So Dark Phoenix is a state of mind that affects how a Phoenix host uses its power.
Moreover, Dark Phoenix is recognizable, in-universe and out. We can point to the specific last appearances of Dark Phoenix versus other Phoenix colours. The X-Men recognize when Scott has "gone Dark Phoenix". Obviously they see a meaningful difference as between Phoenix colours.
I haven't said that transferring feats between Phoenix colours is illogical or unreasonable. I'm just asking what Dark Phoenix's actual best feat is.
Originally posted by Smurph
Well it's not just a "matter of temperament". In your words:So Dark Phoenix is a state of mind that affects how a Phoenix host uses its power.
Moreover, Dark Phoenix is recognizable, in-universe and out. We can point to the specific last appearances of Dark Phoenix versus other Phoenix colours. The X-Men recognize when Scott has "gone Dark Phoenix". Obviously they see a meaningful difference as between Phoenix colours.
I haven't said that transferring feats between Phoenix colours is illogical or unreasonable. I'm just asking what Dark Phoenix's actual best feat is.
Dark Phoenix is a state of mind that makes a host lose inhibitions and embrace their destructive urges. So of course theres a recognizable difference in temperament that is acknowledged in continuity. Zero difference in ability though. Beg to differ? Evidence it.
Jean Phoenixes best feats are healing the M'kraan crystal, destroying the Here Comes Tomorrow universe casually with a thought and materializing 616 atom by atom in her palm demonstrating total control of its atomic structure.
Originally posted by GalacticStormNone of which were Jean while Dark Phoenix.
Dark Phoenix is a state of mind that makes a host lose inhibitions and embrace their destructive urges. So of course theres a recognizable difference in temperament that is acknowledged in continuity. Zero difference in ability though. Beg to differ? Evidence it.Jean Phoenixes best feats are healing the M'kraan crystal, destroying the Here Comes Tomorrow universe casually with a thought and materializing 616 atom by atom in her palm demonstrating total control of its atomic structure.
Look, at least we have common ground insofar as everybody agrees that Dark Phoenix is a recognizable variation (colour/mindset/personality?) of Phoenix. We can clearly distinguish Dark Phoenix, as can the X-Men.
So what's Dark Phoenix Jean's best feat?
Originally posted by Smurph
None of which were Jean while Dark Phoenix.Look, at least we have common ground insofar as everybody agrees that Dark Phoenix is a recognizable variation (colour/mindset/personality?) of Phoenix. We can clearly distinguish Dark Phoenix, as can the X-Men.
So what's Dark Phoenix Jean's best feat?
Bro. Just no. 😆
Theyre not a separate character and there has never been anything stated on panel regarding any abilities being unique to the Dark Phoenix state. So your strategy will get you nowhere as it cant be evidenced.
I repeat...this is not a Green Hulk vs Grey Hulk situation.
The Phoenix Force is modelled after Kaballah concepts and represents the sefirot Tiphereth which is a unifying emanation of duality. Hence the different faces of the same being.
Without canon proof that being Dark Phoenix equates to different abilities, your strategy is a futile exercise. Bring evidence to the table or this is pretty much done 😬
Originally posted by GalacticStormYou keep avoiding the question. It's really simple.
Bro. Just no. 😆Theyre not a separate character and there has never been anything stated on panel regarding any abilities being unique to the Dark Phoenix state. So your strategy will get you nowhere as it cant be evidenced.
I repeat...this is not a Green Hulk vs Grey Hulk situation.
The Phoenix Force is modelled after Kaballah concepts and represents the sefirot Tiphereth which is a unifying emanation of duality. Hence the different faces of the same being.
Without canon proof that being Dark Phoenix equates to different abilities, your strategy is a futile exercise. Bring evidence to the table or this is pretty much done 😬
Dark Phoenix is a recognizable state, as you say. So... what's Jean's best feat while in that state?
Originally posted by Smurph
You keep avoiding the question. It's really simple.Dark Phoenix is a recognizable state, as you say. So... what's Jean's best feat while in that state?
Dark Phoenix is a recognizable face of the same character. Not a distinct or separate entity. Ive listed Jean Phoenixes best feats. Do with that info what you will.
Until such times as you provide evidence that the Dark Phoenix face of a Phoenix host has distinct and unique abilities your strategy remains a non starter.
Tick tock. 🙂