Orion (grounded) vs. Aquaman

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I definitely agree with this. I’m not arguing he’s physically on par with Orion but I don’t see Orion physically oneshotting him either, and if Orion did that would be a good feat for Orion and a poor one for Aquaman.

Dan Abnett did give Aquaman a possible unintentional feat I could get into by scaling.. I’d have to find the scans. Honestly if TP doesn’t work I’d argue Aquaman has a chance to get some wins with his trident. Not every fight has to be a fisticuff.

I agree for the most part. I wasn't replying to you specifically, so don't think I was picking holes in anything you said; I was just addressing the thread in general.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I agree for the most part. I wasn't replying to you specifically, so don't think I was picking holes in anything you said; I was just addressing the thread in general.

I agree with everything you said and overall nothing in this thread offended me. Differing opinions on characters and how fights could go on fictional characters cant really offend me. Overall your good 🤙🏿

I don’t think Orion is above Superman physically I think their on par honestly. I also definitely disagree with Arthur being a tier below Diana there on the same tier. And completely disagree with Orion ending a fight between him in Aquaman in just one hit. I think Orion’s the more powerful between the two but I definitely don’t agree with Aquaman not being able to take punishment from Orion

I'm only addressing this part of your post because it's all I have issue with. I never said Orion was above Superman, I said he's one step off (as in below him). If Supes was the world heavyweight champ, Orion si someone trying to get to contender level.

Yes Arthur has faired ok vs Diana but his strength and speed showings outside of slugfest simply aren't quite the same.

We often see threads asking if x was 100 what would these people be. I don't reply in these because I think think its that simple. Instead I'd break it down more so for example

If in strength Supes was 100 I'd put Orionbat 95 Diana at 76 and Arthur at say 73

If Supes durability is 100 Orion is 89, Diana is 79 and Arthur is 65.

If Supes Speed is 100 Orion is 85, Diana is 82 and Arthur is 48.

Someone with Orion speed and strength throwing an all out punch that connects shoul KO Diana in no more than two blows if they connect. She has more of a chance of dodging dunno being close in speed but would still not last past 3 blows. Arthur should be able to dodge and shouldn't be capable of taking that level of force.

It's the combined stats that make it own shot victory. If Orion didn't have light speed combat speed it wouldn't, but he does. If Arthur's blunt force durability was a little higher (say 55) he wouldn't but its not.

Originally posted by beatboks
I'm only addressing this part of your post because it's all I have issue with. I never said Orion was above Superman, I said he's one step off (as in below him). If Supes was the world heavyweight champ, Orion si someone trying to get to contender level.

Yes Arthur has faired ok vs Diana but his strength and speed showings outside of slugfest simply aren't quite the same.

We often see threads asking if x was 100 what would these people be. I don't reply in these because I think think its that simple. Instead I'd break it down more so for example

If in strength Supes was 100 I'd put Orionbat 95 Diana at 76 and Arthur at say 73

If Supes durability is 100 Orion is 89, Diana is 79 and Arthur is 65.

If Supes Speed is 100 Orion is 85, Diana is 82 and Arthur is 48.

Someone with Orion speed and strength throwing an all out punch that connects shoul KO Diana in no more than two blows if they connect. She has more of a chance of dodging dunno being close in speed but would still not last past 3 blows. Arthur should be able to dodge and shouldn't be capable of taking that level of force.

It's the combined stats that make it own shot victory. If Orion didn't have light speed combat speed it wouldn't, but he does. If Arthur's blunt force durability was a little higher (say 55) he wouldn't but its not.

I definitely disagree with the idea of if Diana is a 76. Aquaman is a 73 if we’re talking about pure physical strength. I’d honestly go as far to see in terms of pure physical feats Post-Crisis onwards Aquaman has better strength feats and would argue Diana just seems to get better treatment in terms of fights because of her position in DC compared to Aquaman.

In terms of display between each other I’m of the notion that when him and Diana are paired off together physically their treated as physical equals. Aquaman often times gets that treatment along side J’onn as well.

I still don’t buy the idea of Orion oneshotting Aquaman whose taken hits from characters like Shaggyman, Amazo, Titus, and Martian Manhunter with some of those characters arguably being above Orion in regards to physicals by portrayals atleast brute strength.

I might be missing something but I don’t think Orion has ever blitzed someone at FTL speed and he also generally doesn’t fight like that. But I’d argue with the notion of Aquaman being able to keep up with Diana in actual fights and being stated as her peer in not only strength but durability and speed on land I still don’t think Aquaman is out of his depth or gets stomped or oneshotted.

I definitely agree it’s Orion’s fight to lose but I’d argue the trident gives Aquaman win scenarios.

Do you have feats for Orion’s or the morherboxes tp defense?

Orion oneshots him, how's this a discussion. He oneshots the likes of Hal Jordan, what's Aquaman going to do here?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Orion oneshots him, how's this a discussion. He oneshots the likes of Hal Jordan, what's Aquaman going to do here?

When did that happen and what’s the context to that?

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
When did that happen and what’s the context to that?

https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Green-Lantern-New-Gods-Godhead/Issue-2?id=66734

Originally posted by abhilegend
No context, he simply oneshots Hal and has him in casual choke like nothing.

https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Green-Lantern-New-Gods-Godhead/Issue-2?id=66734

The comic you’re referencing he didn’t even one shot Hal in. He punches Hal with a cheap shot and Hal talks after the punch pointing out he’s not oneshotted and then Orion chokes him out.

What Starro did to Orion here is oneshotting

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-664cdd3e0cbc551edf6b88e7d35d3e5d

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-664cdd3e0cbc551edf6b88e7d35d3e5d

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cd676f4e4fcbd6a4f868ad8e59261a94

What Ocean Master did to the league here is oneshotting

https://m.imgur.com/a/O1PYN

This isn’t a oneshot

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/bWXLkOiMHkmjdelbqgiPYBQ1KysqkUTmaqoMAxoGxz7ieZXiDUEWC33YFFajwfaGrci_--IacBSB=s1600

I definitely disagree with the idea of if Diana is a 76. Aquaman is a 73 if we’re talking about pure physical strength. I’d honestly go as far to see in terms of pure physical feats Post-Crisis onwards Aquaman has better strength feats and would argue Diana just seems to get better treatment in terms of fights because of her position in DC compared to Aquaman.

O_o

Seriously

Aquaman's best strength feat post crisis is the bubble Diego city living feat. At best its 500 tonnes maybe 600 at a stretch.

Diana has been 1/3 of pulling the earth, has pushed the moon, has pulled MMH out of a black hole.

No there's no difference at all. Quite frankly that's a very generous difference in strength

Bloody auto correct

Sub Diego not double

Originally posted by beatboks
O_o

Seriously

Aquaman's best strength feat post crisis is the bubble Diego city living feat. At best its 500 tonnes maybe 600 at a stretch.

Diana has been 1/3 of pulling the earth, has pushed the moon, has pulled MMH out of a black hole.

No there's no difference at all. Quite frankly that's a very generous difference in strength

They didn’t move the earth in Obsidian Age. I also don’t even get the logic in dividing the feat up in thirds just because there’s 3 of them. But moving the earth wasn’t even the objective. It was keeping it in orbit because Gamamnae had tossed all the water from the Oceans out of it and it was losing its position in space because of that. They were failing to keep it in orbit which was stated by “we’re losing it”

Which is interesting how people like to show the scan of them having Diana’s lasso around the earth and straining. But don’t ever actually show the follow up scans which suggest they weren’t able to even do their objective. It all came down to Kyle with that Manitou amp.

The black hole feat is actually legit but it’s one of those unquantifiable feats. That’s more flashy than anything. Aquaman’s best feat is stopping the force that destroyed Atlantis something that was stated to having been the biggest continent on the planet.

I’ve honestly always assumed the magical nature of Diana’s lasso is what made the black hole feat possible to begin with moreso than her own strength but that might just be an assertion on my end, and I have nothing at the moment to verify that belief of mine

I realized that last link I posted showing Orion not oneshotting Hal with a cheap shot didn’t load so I’ll post it again

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/7933099-4b24ab52-8b46-47c8-91a9-b85ef196af39.jpeg

Orion punches Hal out of nowhere and then after the punch introduces himself. Hal continues to talk after said punch.

Orion was demonstrated as physically superior but it wasn’t a oneshot by any means.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
The comic you’re referencing he didn’t even one shot Hal in. He punches Hal with a cheap shot and Hal talks after the punch pointing out he’s not oneshotted and then Orion chokes him out.

What Starro did to Orion here is oneshotting

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-664cdd3e0cbc551edf6b88e7d35d3e5d

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-664cdd3e0cbc551edf6b88e7d35d3e5d

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cd676f4e4fcbd6a4f868ad8e59261a94

What Ocean Master did to the league here is oneshotting

https://m.imgur.com/a/O1PYN

This isn’t a oneshot

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/bWXLkOiMHkmjdelbqgiPYBQ1KysqkUTmaqoMAxoGxz7ieZXiDUEWC33YFFajwfaGrci_--IacBSB=s1600

You've got a single scan of Starro and milking for all its worth, that version of Aquaman wasn't even as strong as Superboy.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I realized that last link I posted showing Orion not oneshotting Hal with a cheap shot didn’t load so I’ll post it again

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/7933099-4b24ab52-8b46-47c8-91a9-b85ef196af39.jpeg

Orion punches Hal out of nowhere and then after the punch introduces himself. Hal continues to talk after said punch.

Orion was demonstrated as physically superior but it wasn’t a oneshot by any means.

Aquaman would never be shown choking out Hal Jordan with one hand, forget about it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
That feeling when people treat a bait thread seriously... 🙁

Stilt needs something else to live for since he can't have Carter's babies.

So it's not letting me quote you unless I quick quote, so sorry if I kiss anything, I'm trying to cover it all but a pain scrolling back and forth on my phone.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
To sum up what your saying is “The feat either didn’t happen the same way because Orion is the physically more impressive character, (Despite seeing Aquaman hovering over Starro’s eye and being pulled out of the blast by Zauriel.) and even if the feat is legit we can’t use it because it doesn’t make sense based off their power levels.”

There’s other feats Aquaman has at that time period that were pretty up there. He took a beating from a guy who oneshotted Superman and indirectly broke Hal’s arm. He was basically stalemating Guy Gardner Warrior who Superman has stated before to hit as hard as Doomsday, he beat around Despero and also twoshotted Olympian who twoshotted Martian Manhunter.

What feats of TP do the Mars’ Manhunters have? Martian Manhunter has also struggled to probe Atlantean grunts with a mentality that was suggested to be the pre-evolution of Aquaman’s tp.

https://m.imgur.com/u9aq0xQ?r

So you start off with hypocrisy, because you have no problem saying later that Orion one-shoting him would be a high for Orion or a low for Aquaman. I hadn't gone to check the scans, so I couldn't remember for sure if there was a direct hit to Aquaman or not. Are you going to actually argue that isn't a bad showing for Orion or very high showing for Aquaman considering Orion fights with Superman, including when it took the combined efforts of Barda, Martian Manhunter, Supergirl(Earth-Angel) and more to barely restrain him? And that was after fighting Orion.

Him briefly looking good against Titus? He jumped out of the water when Titus was falling and punched him a couple times before the fight went to the water. Where Aquaman would have the advantage. And Aquaman lost. Not to mention that took place during the early days of the JLA. Superman's gains in power since then were even noted by Titus in the present day. So.....not what you're trying to argue. But I notice later you say to Abhi that Orion sucker punched Hal. Yet you argue Titus beating Superman. How is this--

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/7933099-4b24ab52-8b46-47c8-91a9-b85ef196af39.jpeg

--anymore of a sucker punch than this--

https://bit.ly/3sXNFxP

?

Superman said that about Guy, before getting serious with Guy and beating him down. He said similar about Massacre before, beat him down when he got around Massacre's ability to predict his moves.

But let's look at the fight when Superman gets serious. Just after the comparison to Doomsday.

https://bit.ly/3sWfEOz

https://bit.ly/3aJX1qB

Well doesn't really look Doomsday level. But there's another issue with this comparison for you using Aquaman fighting Guy. Guy was adapting to Superman.

https://bit.ly/2R39GxO

Superman notes Guy has been adapting to what they do.

https://bit.ly/3vonja0

And brought up again.

https://bit.ly/3eFS6IG

It got to the point he was fighting Superman, Rampage, and Supergirl(Matrix) simultaneously(although Supergirl was only briefly involved in the actual fight, like a TK blast it seemed). I mean unless you're going to argue it's a theory it was in response to Superman's DNA, but I think the writer made it pretty clear. So the only way you could argue that the way you did is if A: Guy's adaptations stuck and he was still at that level(which is possible but you would have to prove), or B: Aquaman would produce the same type of adaptation.....

There are issues with both the Despero and Olympian examples, but neither is from the period I was arguing so irrelevant anyway.

Well that example shows he can read their minds, it's just difficult. The Martians, J'onn included, weren't able to read the New Gods' minds at all. J'onn and his mom(both Manhunters) are talking about the battle, that they need a telepathic assault. It's brought up they can't even read the New Gods' minds. They combine the minds of all the Manhunters for the assault, and it only works on the grunts. Not the leaders.

https://bit.ly/3gEdSix

https://bit.ly/3u2pW0Y

So that telepathic assault is from Martian Manhunter plus other Martians combining their efforts. Later J'onn outright says he can't read Kanto's mind and his thoughts are opaque.

https://bit.ly/32T2LtO

So, I don't think Aquaman is winning with a telepathic assault.

As for your argument about Aquaman using the trident, Orion, it seems without his Mother Box, survived being shot by Apokolipsian weaponry though multiple vital points, including multiple times through the head(head alone had 3, maybe 4 shots depending on if one of those beams was a miss or not, angle is hard to tell). Then fell into a Firepit.

https://bit.ly/3eyyvKd

https://bit.ly/3sUMTBL

https://bit.ly/3dWkZBe

In fact if you look at what one of the Hunger Dogs said, it implies he fought after this. "Orion massacred a battalion of Darkseid's troopers! But not before they plastered him with everything they had!!" The ambush where he got shot up before falling into the Firepit is the only time he got hit with anything significant. Prior he was only hit twice before and got back up fine. But possibly an error. But he did heal within pages of waking up, so if he healed that quickly it does support he fought after falling into the Firepit off panel before HUNGER DOGS was published.

If I'm right about him not having his Mother Box there? Well it boosts his healing significantly.

https://i.imgur.com/53sgLL7.jpg

But the Astro-Force, it's one-shot Pre-DOS Superman. Splattered Mantis. Was tearing Earth apart as a side effect of him attacking the Omegadrome(I think it was) on the Moon. He contained the Oblivion Bomb, which was going to destroy the universe via imploding it. What has the trudent done to be on this level?

Originally posted by abhilegend
How's it a cheapshot? Yeah, because Aquaman can choke Hal out with one hand.

You've got a single scan of Starro and milking for all its worth, that version of Aquaman wasn't even as strong as Superboy.

And the same Post-Crisis Aquaman over powered Tiamat who overpowered Powergirl as well as beat around Despero after he had beaten around Martian Manhunter.

I don’t think that Superboy showing is as bad as you thing especially when both Superboy and Aquaman suggested the latter was holding back.

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

Aquaman would never be shown choking out Hal Jordan with one hand, forget about it.

I don’t remember ever making that claim.... I was just pointing out your mention of Orion oneshotting Hal was false.

Hal isn’t really a physical character to begin with, he’s mainly versatility and construct power. Titus indirectly broke Hal’s arm by hitting Martian Manhunter with his rod and J’onn got knocked into Hal. New52 Hal in particular given you brought up Godhead had severe trouble with Diana who Aquaman has been stated as physical equals with.

Ofcourse I’m going to milk the Starro instance 😂😂 it’s a direct showing involving the 2 characters of this thread and honestly I feel like it helps out my point on Aquaman being lowballed here. Again I believe Orion is the more physically impressive character between the two. But I don’t think it’s a spite match or a match Aquaman can’t get wins in.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How's it a cheapshot?

It’s a cheap shot because Orion wasn’t present when Hal was talking in Kyle’s defense and then when Orion made his presence known was after he hit Hal.

That’s a cheap shot because Hal wasn’t expecting it or ready for it.

Originally posted by Delta1938
So it's not letting me quote you unless I quick quote, so sorry if I kiss anything, I'm trying to cover it all but a pain scrolling back and forth on my phone.

So you start off with hypocrisy, because you have no problem saying later that Orion one-shoting him would be a high for Orion or a low for Aquaman. I hadn't gone to check the scans, so I couldn't remember for sure if there was a direct hit to Aquaman or not. Are you going to actually argue that isn't a bad showing for Orion or very high showing for Aquaman considering Orion fights with Superman, including when it took the combined efforts of Barda, Martian Manhunter, Supergirl(Earth-Angel) and more to barely restrain him? And that was after fighting Orion.

Him briefly looking good against Titus? He jumped out of the water when Titus was falling and punched him a couple times before the fight went to the water. Where Aquaman would have the advantage. And Aquaman lost. Not to mention that took place during the early days of the JLA. Superman's gains in power since then were even noted by Titus in the present day. So.....not what you're trying to argue. But I notice later you say to Abhi that Orion sucker punched Hal. Yet you argue Titus beating Superman. How is this--

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/7933099-4b24ab52-8b46-47c8-91a9-b85ef196af39.jpeg

--anymore of a sucker punch than this--

https://bit.ly/3sXNFxP

?

Superman said that about Guy, before getting serious with Guy and beating him down. He said similar about Massacre before, beat him down when he got around Massacre's ability to predict his moves.

But let's look at the fight when Superman gets serious. Just after the comparison to Doomsday.

https://bit.ly/3sWfEOz

https://bit.ly/3aJX1qB

Well doesn't really look Doomsday level. But there's another issue with this comparison for you using Aquaman fighting Guy. Guy was adapting to Superman.

https://bit.ly/2R39GxO

Superman notes Guy has been adapting to what they do.

https://bit.ly/3vonja0

And brought up again.

https://bit.ly/3eFS6IG

It got to the point he was fighting Superman, Rampage, and Supergirl(Matrix) simultaneously(although Supergirl was only briefly involved in the actual fight, like a TK blast it seemed). I mean unless you're going to argue it's a theory it was in response to Superman's DNA, but I think the writer made it pretty clear. So the only way you could argue that the way you did is if A: Guy's adaptations stuck and he was still at that level(which is possible but you would have to prove), or B: Aquaman would produce the same type of adaptation.....

There are issues with both the Despero and Olympian examples, but neither is from the period I was arguing so irrelevant anyway.

Well that example shows he can read their minds, it's just difficult. The Martians, J'onn included, weren't able to read the New Gods' minds at all. J'onn and his mom(both Manhunters) are talking about the battle, that they need a telepathic assault. It's brought up they can't even read the New Gods' minds. They combine the minds of all the Manhunters for the assault, and it only works on the grunts. Not the leaders.

https://bit.ly/3gEdSix

https://bit.ly/3u2pW0Y

So that telepathic assault is from Martian Manhunter plus other Martians combining their efforts. Later J'onn outright says he can't read Kanto's mind and his thoughts are opaque.

https://bit.ly/32T2LtO

So, I don't think Aquaman is winning with a telepathic assault.

As for your argument about Aquaman using the trident, Orion, it seems without his Mother Box, survived being shot by Apokolipsian weaponry though multiple vital points, including multiple times through the head(head alone had 3, maybe 4 shots depending on if one of those beams was a miss or not, angle is hard to tell). Then fell into a Firepit.

https://bit.ly/3eyyvKd

https://bit.ly/3sUMTBL

https://bit.ly/3dWkZBe

In fact if you look at what one of the Hunger Dogs said, it implies he fought after this. "Orion massacred a battalion of Darkseid's troopers! But not before they plastered him with everything they had!!" The ambush where he got shot up before falling into the Firepit is the only time he got hit with anything significant. Prior he was only hit twice before and got back up fine. But possibly an error. But he did heal within pages of waking up, so if he healed that quickly it does support he fought after falling into the Firepit off panel before HUNGER DOGS was published.

If I'm right about him not having his Mother Box there? Well it boosts his healing significantly.

https://i.imgur.com/53sgLL7.jpg

But the Astro-Force, it's one-shot Pre-DOS Superman. Splattered Mantis. Was tearing Earth apart as a side effect of him attacking the Omegadrome(I think it was) on the Moon. He contained the Oblivion Bomb, which was going to destroy the universe via imploding it. What has the trudent done to be on this level?

Eh this is pretty heavy I didn’t know whether to tackle it all together or break it apart. But I got off work recently so I’ll go the lazy route.

The difference between what I stated and what Abhi stated was Abhi brought up Orion “oneshotting” Hal which isn’t something that happened. I didn’t have an issue with the fact it was a cheap shot but I thought it was worth mentioning that Hal wasnt expecting it. I wasn’t trying to not provide information on the Titus instance and nothing I stated was false. Titus did oneshot Superman and yeah it was a cheap shot as well as the Orion making Hal bleed. The difference isn’t the fact that their cheap shots because neither me or Abhi didn’t outright deny them being cheap shots the difference is Titus actually oneshotted Superman and Orion didn’t oneshot Hal.

So how am I being a hypocrite?

The fact Aquaman can even take a beating from a guy who can do that to even a early Superman or indirectly break Hal’s arm.

The fact Titus can do all of this
https://m.imgur.com/a/Z4l7f

Is what makes Aquaman lasting a minute with a legit team buster worth mentioning in my opinion because you guys are claiming he’d get oneshotted. When Titus paid his respects to Aquaman’s effort at the very least

https://m.imgur.com/Gm7jV7D

Which I thinks worth mentioning given this is a Aquaman that doesn’t have a trident and his physicals weren’t as stressed as later incarnations.

I brought up the Guy Gardner Warrior instance in reference to the striking power Superman suggested Guy had as Warrior. Not his overall physicals reason I mentioned Superman suggesting he strikes as hard as Doomsday and didn’t say something like he’s as strong as Doomsday. The adapting thing is interesting I don’t know if that implies his striking power was getting greater since it’s not stated but I could definitely understand due to mindsets the situation against Guy were different.

I didn’t read the same thing you read in those telepathic scans you presented.

The first example I definitely understand as a mention but what I don’t get Probing someone’s mind =/ Telepathic Assault

The second example with J’onn saying his mind was too Opaque (Not transparent) J’onn was saying he couldn’t read the New Gods mind that’s exactly the same thing he stated in Obsidian Age with the Atlantean Grunts.

“I cannot read your mind your thoughts are Opaque”

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/MCd656zwtERmc-Z3nuB0HXPFEb91dHHWlQap3HEMsxVWL9mqBFKk9NejIfZbzenhXg0Kw6cjNaAL=s0

“I cannot grasp their thoughts long enough to read them”
https://m.imgur.com/u9aq0xQ?r

It’s practically the same thing.

In the scan you provided to make an argument about Aquaman’s trident being useless. It doesn’t help your case unless the fights to the death.. Orion being knocked out after being shot through multiple times would constitute as a forum win for his attackers.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/NGkHEeNCM5U-_zc1UfMMCTLahwTzJjAeBrbfnFIEx1esUAZ3axpoQczvaxaxLd3jg_QV6qaN_vlc=s0

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/Xr-MM2vn-NR95Vt4lw0ZoTvP_sPifq6BJsS1K-YDyODCk4W9c-CdS-xHZCvF_GpkDA6aGU0iOh41METsH2aAD8ds57yyFcXsNMhriGsSkdiWc5qwhDU5HQk9-rv4gfynjOOnwkcGWA=s0

From the scans provided Orion isn’t even in the battlefield he was shot in. So he was unconscious for a non disclosed amount of time which would count as a lost.

This is damage soak and healing while continuing to fight

Aquaman got stabbed by his own trident and continued to fight like he hadn’t been
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/rjQFG6H

There’s also this

https://m.imgur.com/a/wpAHg

This is being shot through the upper chest and healing in no time.

https://m.imgur.com/qBMeioE

I don’t know what level of energy was being used in the last scan you provided but we’ve seen him be knocked out by an energy attack that was possibly greater is what it could mean IE Starro. Again I’m not saying Aquaman is physically on par with Orion. But I definitely don’t agree with the notion he can’t get wins and you haven’t really swayed me against my mindset. If Aquaman stabbed as many holes into Orion as he was shot in the scans you provided I believe Orion would end up knocked out based off scans you provided even.

I’m skeptical on the TP point I didn’t see the motherboxes being mentioned as a way to counter TP in the scans you provided and Orion on top of it isn’t in any of them resisting them either. He’s piggybacking off other New Gods