Orion (grounded) vs. Aquaman

They didn’t move the earth in Obsidian Age. I also don’t even get the logic in dividing the feat up in thirds just because there’s 3 of them. But moving the earth wasn’t even the objective. It was keeping it in orbit because Gamamnae had tossed all the water from the Oceans out of it and it was losing its position in space because of that. They were failing to keep it in orbit which was stated by “we’re losing it”

Not once did I say moving, I said pulling. They did pull against the earth to keep it in its orbit.

It doesn't matter if Diana was only providing 1/4, 1/5, or 1/1000 of the force in that feat or in the pushing of the moon. The Sub Diego feat was several decimal points below.

New York city is 321 square miles. The area of the surfacebof the earth is 57.3 million square miles not counting the ocean which makes it 162.9 million square miles. Arthur lifted what a meter or twos depth of the surface ? By contrast the earth is 12742km diameter.

So even if Diana was only 1 millionth of the strength in both those feats its still significantly (an order of magnitude or two) above Arthur's best strength showing. She has three (and there are many more) feats massively above his best strength feat showing and your quibbling over me grading him only 3 points lower. Your right, you've made me rethink my rankings in strength, after considering the differences in these feats if she's a 76 in strength he's only a 60.

Originally posted by beatboks
Not once did I say moving, I said pulling. They did pull against the earth to keep it in its orbit.

It doesn't matter if Diana was only providing 1/4, 1/5, or 1/1000 of the force in that feat or in the pushing of the moon. The Sub Diego feat was several decimal points below.

New York city is 321 square miles. The area of the surfacebof the earth is 57.3 million square miles not counting the ocean which makes it 162.9 million square miles. Arthur lifted what a meter or twos depth of the surface ? By contrast the earth is 12742km diameter.

So even if Diana was only 1 millionth of the strength in both those feats its still significantly (an order of magnitude or two) above Arthur's best strength showing. She has three (and there are many more) feats massively above his best strength feat showing and your quibbling over me grading him only 3 points lower. Your right, you've made me rethink my rankings in strength, after considering the differences in these feats if she's a 76 in strength he's only a 60.

The issue is

1.) Even if they were pulling the weight of the planet. How much were each of them pulling? That’s the issue with shared feats. It becomes speculative

2.) They were losing the earth. We don’t know how fast it would of went out of orbit and we don’t know if they managed to even do anything based off what we were given. It was never stated that what they were doing was working but what was stated was “they were losing it” Meaning the earth was going out of orbit despite their attempt to prevent it.

Arthur stopping the Dead King’s scepter attack is the feat I mentioned it’s above Sub-Diego. Given The Dead King’s scepter was capable of destroying the continent of Atlantis and Aquaman stopped that force with his hands.

Post 84

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/aquaman/4005-2357/forums/aquamans-super-strength-672066/?page=2

Breaking it down again though.

This was Atlantis before Atlan destroyed it.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/7893032-718541a2-144e-4720-9c10-93f1001efe6d.jpeg

It’s depicted as the biggest to have ever existed and it’s stated a couple times over in the same continuity. That’s impressive given Asia has more surface area than the moon and given its on earth it should have more weight based off positions in space and gravity.

This is Atlan stating his plan of destroying Atlantis again because his dream is dead.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/7893044-e3fa517d-ae78-4666-ab5f-316f2a1fcd35.jpeg

Aquaman stops that force with his bare hands to the surprise of an Atlantean.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/7893045-b85f4253-1c80-450e-a330-2799faa6a83f.jpeg

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/7893047-ea0a59da-e894-4a7f-9971-63b698e8bf0c.jpeg

By logic that’s a Moon+ level feat. Being done by a Aquaman who just woke up from a coma and been stabbed through with ice and his own Trident.

And even crazier showing by scaling all done by the same writer Dan Abnett.

Cyborg in JL Odyssey was able to process the energy output of something equating 5 hypernovas.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11139/111395737/7920465-crownofthorns9.jpg

But he was unable to read the dome Rath constructed over Atlantis and all he got from his readings was it was unbreakable

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11139/111395737/7920463-crownofthorns7.jpg

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11139/111395737/7920464-crownofthorns8.jpg

Which is impressive given Arthur goes on to break said dome that Cyborg deemed unbreakable With his trident magic later on.

https://comicnewbies.com/2018/03/22/aquaman-tears-down-the-crown-of-thorns/

Originally posted by beatboks

Your right, you've made me rethink my rankings in strength, after considering the differences in these feats if she's a 76 in strength he's only a 60.

DC doesn’t seem to agree with you.

Given Aquaman can break out of her hold but that could be a skill thing?

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/7934371-33247a6c-be82-4f83-b570-527de48441a2.jpeg

Then again they also made a guidebook suggesting they were physical equals on land

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/7934372-84462f2e-13d6-4055-80c7-af0733314f9a.jpeg

It’s possible the writers and editors don’t know what their talking about though and your opinion on the subject holds more weight though 👍🏿 I’m completely fine with agreeing to disagree.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
The issue is

1.) Even if they were pulling the weight of the planet. How much were each of them pulling? That’s the issue with shared feats. It becomes speculative

2.) They were losing the earth. We don’t know how fast it would of went out of orbit and we don’t know if they managed to even do anything based off what we were given. It was never stated that what they were doing was working but what was stated was “they were losing it” Meaning the earth was going out of orbit despite their attempt to prevent it.

Arthur stopping the Dead King’s scepter attack is the feat I mentioned it’s above Sub-Diego. Given The Dead King’s scepter was capable of destroying the continent of Atlantis and Aquaman stopped that force with his hands.

Post 84

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/aquaman/4005-2357/forums/aquamans-super-strength-672066/?page=2

Breaking it down again though.

This was Atlantis before Atlan destroyed it.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/7893032-718541a2-144e-4720-9c10-93f1001efe6d.jpeg

It’s depicted as the biggest to have ever existed and it’s stated a couple times over in the same continuity. That’s impressive given Asia has more surface area than the moon and given its on earth it should have more weight based off positions in space and gravity.

This is Atlan stating his plan of destroying Atlantis again because his dream is dead.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/7893044-e3fa517d-ae78-4666-ab5f-316f2a1fcd35.jpeg

Aquaman stops that force with his bare hands to the surprise of an Atlantean.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/7893045-b85f4253-1c80-450e-a330-2799faa6a83f.jpeg

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/7893047-ea0a59da-e894-4a7f-9971-63b698e8bf0c.jpeg

By logic that’s a Moon+ level feat. Being done by a Aquaman who just woke up from a coma and been stabbed through with ice and his own Trident.

And even crazier showing by scaling all done by the same writer Dan Abnett.

Cyborg in JL Odyssey was able to process the energy output of something equating 5 hypernovas.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11139/111395737/7920465-crownofthorns9.jpg

But he was unable to read the dome Rath constructed over Atlantis and all he got from his readings was it was unbreakable

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11139/111395737/7920463-crownofthorns7.jpg

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11139/111395737/7920464-crownofthorns8.jpg

Which is impressive given Arthur goes on to break said dome that Cyborg deemed unbreakable With his trident magic later on.

https://comicnewbies.com/2018/03/22/aquaman-tears-down-the-crown-of-thorns/

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
And the same Post-Crisis Aquaman over powered Tiamat who overpowered Powergirl as well as beat around Despero after he had beaten around Martian Manhunter.

I don’t think that Superboy showing is as bad as you thing especially when both Superboy and Aquaman suggested the latter was holding back.

I don’t remember ever making that claim.... I was just pointing out your mention of Orion oneshotting Hal was false.

Hal isn’t really a physical character to begin with, he’s mainly versatility and construct power. Titus indirectly broke Hal’s arm by hitting Martian Manhunter with his rod and J’onn got knocked into Hal. New52 Hal in particular given you brought up Godhead had severe trouble with Diana who Aquaman has been stated as physical equals with.

Ofcourse I’m going to milk the Starro instance 😂😂 it’s a direct showing involving the 2 characters of this thread and honestly I feel like it helps out my point on Aquaman being lowballed here. Again I believe Orion is the more physically impressive character between the two. But I don’t think it’s a spite match or a match Aquaman can’t get wins in.

Hal was never in problem with Diana like he was against Orion. She broke his constructs but he was still fighting back against her. In Darkseid War he had to save Wonder Woman from Superman's energy attacks and Jessica Cruz with power ring oneshotted her.

Well Batman overpowered Aquaman and Joker was fighting Aquaman hand to hand. Outliers exist after all. Orion is Superman level, Aquaman isn't.

I guess post Crisis Batman wins against post Crisis Aquaman. Direct fight between both.

https://i.imgur.com/9UxZC.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yzDiP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/qyMtI.jpg

That gorilla slam 😂

Originally posted by abhilegend
Arlantean powergirl you mean who was vastly less powerful than the Kryptonian version of herself. J'onn is a jobber, what can you do about that. The same Aquaman was struggling with Hawkman the very next issue.

Hal was never in problem with Diana like he was against Orion. She broke his constructs but he was still fighting back against her. In Darkseid War he had to save Wonder Woman from Superman's energy attacks and Jessica Cruz with power ring oneshotted her.

Well Batman overpowered Aquaman and Joker was fighting Aquaman hand to hand. Outliers exist after all. Orion is Superman level, Aquaman isn't.

Wasn’t she only half Atlantean? With Arion being her father? I don’t know what you’re referring to with the Hawkman instance is that part of the crisis of conscience storyline where Aquaman fought Despero? Are you referring to like the single panel of Hawkman holding Aquaman with his mace. I wouldn’t really call that struggling and if we did I could make a case based off logic like that. Like Frankenstein tossing Shazam and Aquaman grappling with Frankenstein in the same comic/storyline for a panel.

I’m pretty sure I’ve seen singular panels like Vox/Mal Duncan restraining Superboy Prime for a singular panel as well.

I didn’t suggest Diana did better against Hal than Orion did my issue was Hal isn’t really a physical character. He’s impressive sure in terms of raw power and versatility but the idea of choking him out isn’t something that I think is awe inspiring. When he’s indirectly got his arm broken by an attack not aimed at him. Construct wise Diana was casually busting his constructs and Aquaman has been treated as a peer to her in present continuity disregarding current amps that Diana is in. Hal also struggled with ancient Kryptonians busting through his constructs in Bryan Hitch’s Justice League of America run and Aquaman took down several in a later instance in the same story arc and they were getting more powerful as time went by.

In regards to your Batman point to try to pretend like your using my logic against me. That didn’t even happen. Batman out skilled an Aquaman that couldn’t move well on the surface because he wasn’t use to the environment. Batman really didn’t do no damage whatsoever to Aquaman just tossed him around a bit and took advantage of the fact he was struggling in the environment. I honestly assumed the Joker instance was a gag but outside kicking Aquaman in the balls Joker didn’t really do no damage to Aquaman as well either lol. There’s more instances of Aquaman overpowering Batman than visa versa.

Hell Post-Crisis Deathstroke has knocked down Wonder Woman with a punch

https://secondtosupes.tripod.com/ds1.jpg

Kicked the shit out of a older more experienced Hal

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/0/8190/311953-78814-deathstroke.jpg

And in the same comic as the Hal instance when he tried to drop kick Aquaman he bounced off Aquaman’s chest.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/14/149215/4820419-0508416300-36496.jpg

There’s other instances I can think of to. The difference being Aquaman has a good feat against Starro in comparison to Orion. It’s not a feat that contradicts the idea that Orion would win in a hand to hand brawl. But it suggest Aquaman’s durability to the energy attack he was hit with and Orion was hit with was less effective to him than it was Orion.

It’s not even the only thing I’d argue he’s done better than Orion. I wanted to hold off on this because I was curious to see if there was actually a scan of Orion later on showing Telepathy/Mental attacks to be ineffective to him but I might as well bring it up

Panic in the Sky Maxima legit oneshots Orion with a telepathic assault

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11115/111157701/3882197-0008736819-maxim.jpg

The same Maxima struggled TPing Aquaman.
https://m.imgur.com/Jbl1JfA

I don’t think you’re the one who brought up the idea Orion is immune to telepathic assault but I thought I should go ahead and put that out there. There’s also an instance of Raven using her empathy powers on him to. So his mental defense is questionable as hell and I’d argue there’s a win scenario for Aquaman there.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I guess post Crisis Batman wins against post Crisis Aquaman. Direct fight between both.

https://i.imgur.com/9UxZC.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yzDiP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/qyMtI.jpg

That gorilla slam 😂

Aquaman weighs probably less than 300 pounds with Batman’s strength and skill he should be able to slam him 👍🏿 The scans you posted he didn’t do anything to Aquaman though that would give him a forum win is the issue.

Maxima oneshotted Orion with a Psy Bolt

And Starro oneshotted Orion with an eye blast. My examples atleast end with one of these characters atleast being knocked out.

Also Martian Manhunter has read Metron’s mind as well in cosmic odyssey. Metron is a high ranking New God

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Wasn’t she only half Atlantean? With Arion being her father? I don’t know what you’re referring to with the Hawkman instance is that part of the crisis of conscience storyline where Aquaman fought Despero? Are you referring to like the single panel of Hawkman holding Aquaman with his mace. I wouldn’t really call that struggling and if we did I could make a case based off logic like that. Like Frankenstein tossing Shazam and Aquaman grappling with Frankenstein in the same comic/storyline for a panel.

I’m pretty sure I’ve seen singular panels like Vox/Mal Duncan restraining Superboy Prime for a singular panel as well.

I didn’t suggest Diana did better against Hal than Orion did my issue was Hal isn’t really a physical character. He’s impressive sure in terms of raw power and versatility but the idea of choking him out isn’t something that I think is awe inspiring. When he’s indirectly got his arm broken by an attack not aimed at him. Construct wise Diana was casually busting his constructs and Aquaman has been treated as a peer to her in present continuity disregarding current amps that Diana is in. Hal also struggled with ancient Kryptonians busting through his constructs in Bryan Hitch’s Justice League of America run and Aquaman took down several in a later instance in the same story arc and they were getting more powerful as time went by.

In regards to your Batman point to try to pretend like your using my logic against me. That didn’t even happen. Batman out skilled an Aquaman that couldn’t move well on the surface because he wasn’t use to the environment. Batman really didn’t do no damage whatsoever to Aquaman just tossed him around a bit and took advantage of the fact he was struggling in the environment. I honestly assumed the Joker instance was a gag but outside kicking Aquaman in the balls Joker didn’t really do no damage to Aquaman as well either lol. There’s more instances of Aquaman overpowering Batman than visa versa.

Hell Post-Crisis Deathstroke has knocked down Wonder Woman with a punch

https://secondtosupes.tripod.com/ds1.jpg

Kicked the shit out of a older more experienced Hal

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/0/8190/311953-78814-deathstroke.jpg

And in the same comic as the Hal instance when he tried to drop kick Aquaman he bounced off Aquaman’s chest.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/14/149215/4820419-0508416300-36496.jpg

There’s other instances I can think of to. The difference being Aquaman has a good feat against Starro in comparison to Orion. It’s not a feat that contradicts the idea that Orion would win in a hand to hand brawl. But it suggest Aquaman’s durability to the energy attack he was hit with and Orion was hit with was less effective to him than it was Orion.

It’s not even the only thing I’d argue he’s done better than Orion. I wanted to hold off on this because I was curious to see if there was actually a scan of Orion later on showing Telepathy/Mental attacks to be ineffective to him but I might as well bring it up

Panic in the Sky Maxima legit oneshots Orion with a telepathic assault

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11115/111157701/3882197-0008736819-maxim.jpg

The same Maxima struggled TPing Aquaman.
https://m.imgur.com/Jbl1JfA

I don’t think you’re the one who brought up the idea Orion is immune to telepathic assault but I thought I should go ahead and put that out there. There’s also an instance of Raven using her empathy powers on him to. So his mental defense is questionable as hell and I’d argue there’s a win scenario for Aquaman there.

Yeah, choking out Hal Jordan doesn't happens. Name the characters who've done so.

Haha, Aquaman punched Batman at least four times and did no damage to him at all. That's outskilling someone?

Slade used yellow costume to knock around Hal.

What does TPing Orion has to do with Aquaman? Are you saying Aquaman is going to TP Orion? LMAO.

This is one of the stupidest posts I've ever read and that's saying something.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Aquaman weighs probably less than 300 pounds with Batman’s strength and skill he should be able to slam him 👍🏿 The scans you posted he didn’t do anything to Aquaman though that would give him a forum win is the issue.

Maxima oneshotted Orion with a Psy Bolt

And Starro oneshotted Orion with an eye blast. My examples atleast end with one of these characters atleast being knocked out.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Also Martian Manhunter has read Metron’s mind as well in cosmic odyssey. Metron is a high ranking New God

Originally posted by abhilegend
Aquaman landed several punches on Batman with no damage on him. How are you going to justify that?
Metron isn't even a new God now. He is something else.

I can’t justify it. It’s a really poor showing for Aquaman in that regard or up in line with Batman kicking the Spectre or beating up the Justice League by fighting hand to hand and with Batarangs.

Regardless Aquaman still didn’t get knocked out by the end of it. When there’s several instances like ocean Master oneshotting Batman and then referring to him as fragile, Mera choking Batman who has to resort to Sonics to break free or Aquaman doing it and Batman using some potassium gadget to break free.

My issue is Orion was knocked out by Starro and Aquaman wasn’t and this is a JLA title by Morrison or Waid I believe. So it’s not like it’s a writer who doesn’t have any merit.

The Maxima instance happened under Jurgens I believe. I can’t refute Aquaman not really having any effect on Batman in the instance you brought up not being a low showing but it also doesn’t give Batman a win and Aquaman is at the very least conscious by the end of the encounter.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Metron isn't even a new God now. He is something else.

But Orion is and has been rendered unconscious by a tp assault from Maxima showcasing he isn’t immune to TP.

Wasn’t Metron originally a New God and at the time of the story one?

The issue is

1.) Even if they were pulling the weight of the planet. How much were each of them pulling? That’s the issue with shared feats. It becomes speculative

2.) They were losing the earth. We don’t know how fast it would of went out of orbit and we don’t know if they managed to even do anything based off what we were given. It was never stated that what they were doing was working but what was stated was “they were losing it” Meaning the earth was going out of orbit despite their attempt to prevent it.

Arthur stopping the Dead King’s scepter attack is the feat I mentioned it’s above Sub-Diego. Given The Dead King’s scepter was capable of destroying the continent of Atlantis and Aquaman stopped that force with his hands.

Shared feat or not the for Diana to even factor she is many many times above Arthut.

They "were" lossing it but earth never flew off its orbit. Ergo they did affect the movement.

Dead kings sceptre feat still isn't on the level of much lower feats of Diana like pushing against the force that created a world wide tidal wave.

Gravity has no baring on mass and change of velocity. Never mind that in the shared feat of pushing the moon Diana mentions that she moved the moon once herself (alone).

Out of curiosity what baring does Maxima's psy bolts have in this thread? Arthur doesn't have an energy attack of this nature so it's irrelevant. Or are you trying to infer its some proof of TP working??? Psy bolts aren't a mental attack in that way. They are an attack of turning mental energy into an energy blast. Please by all means show a single instance of Arthur performing such an attack.

Bottom line no strengrh feat of Arthur comes close to the high end ones of Diana, yet you claim they are even. The idea that breaking free from a hold implies your the same strengrh is ludicrous. Self defence courses teach women and young people to do this against larger stronger attackers. Things like positioning, leverage, switching positions to reduce their stability, controlling grips , changing your guard to alter the distance can affect how ffective an opponent hold is, these and other things come into play, yes there is a lot of skill involved in breaking a hold, strengrh doesn't play much of a part at all.

This is exactly why I personally don't (ever) judge strength from HTH fights. I use it in tourneys but not debate forums.

The other thing is this is a forum fight not a comic fight. In a comic Arthur would fair better than in a forum fight. In a forum fight vs Diana both at their best I'd expect it to go heavily in Diana's favor due to combat speed she clearly doesn't use in their on panel fights

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I can’t justify it. It’s a really poor showing for Aquaman in that regard or up in line with Batman kicking the Spectre or beating up the Justice League by fighting hand to hand and with Batarangs.

Regardless Aquaman still didn’t get knocked out by the end of it. When there’s several instances like ocean Master oneshotting Batman and then referring to him as fragile, Mera choking Batman who has to resort to Sonics to break free or Aquaman doing it and Batman using some potassium gadget to break free.

My issue is Orion was knocked out by Starro and Aquaman wasn’t and this is a JLA title by Morrison or Waid I believe. So it’s not like it’s a writer who doesn’t have any merit.

The Maxima instance happened under Jurgens I believe. I can’t refute Aquaman not really having any effect on Batman in the instance you brought up not being a low showing but it also doesn’t give Batman a win and Aquaman is at the very least conscious by the end of the encounter.

Doesn't mean he is suddenly below Aquaman.

You don't have to KO someone to win. Aquaman was on ground and saying he will not surrender. That's a clear loss.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
But Orion is and has been rendered unconscious by a tp assault from Maxima showcasing he isn’t immune to TP.

Wasn’t Metron originally a New God and at the time of the story one?

As much as I love you guys going off topic (but not really), I'm going to ask y'all to stop and get back on topic.

People like Diana and Maxima have no real bearing on this thread... as dumb as it is.

Originally posted by beatboks
Shared feat or not the for Diana to even factor she is many many times above Arthut.

They "were" lossing it but earth never flew off its orbit. Ergo they did affect the movement.

Dead kings sceptre feat still isn't on the level of much lower feats of Diana like pushing against the force that created a world wide tidal wave.

Gravity has no baring on mass and change of velocity. Never mind that in the shared feat of pushing the moon Diana mentions that she moved the moon once herself (alone).

Out of curiosity what baring does Maxima's psy bolts have in this thread? Arthur doesn't have an energy attack of this nature so it's irrelevant. Or are you trying to infer its some proof of TP working??? Psy bolts aren't a mental attack in that way. They are an attack of turning mental energy into an energy blast. Please by all means show a single instance of Arthur performing such an attack.

Bottom line no strengrh feat of Arthur comes close to the high end ones of Diana, yet you claim they are even. The idea that breaking free from a hold implies your the same strengrh is ludicrous. Self defence courses teach women and young people to do this against larger stronger attackers. Things like positioning, leverage, switching positions to reduce their stability, controlling grips , changing your guard to alter the distance can affect how ffective an opponent hold is, these and other things come into play, yes there is a lot of skill involved in breaking a hold, strengrh doesn't play much of a part at all.

This is exactly why I personally don't (ever) judge strength from HTH fights. I use it in tourneys but not debate forums.

The other thing is this is a forum fight not a comic fight. In a comic Arthur would fair better than in a forum fight. In a forum fight vs Diana both at their best I'd expect it to go heavily in Diana's favor due to combat speed she clearly doesn't use in their on panel fights

Again it’s speculative because we don’t know exactly how fast earth was even going off orbit. For all we know it was slowly moving out of orbit.

They even suggested Kyle had moved it back to where it had to be. So it does suggest it did go out of orbit. We’re losing it suggest it was also moving out of orbit.

I’m not aware of the world wide tidal wave feat. What comic did that appear in?

The very definition of weight is gravity x mass. That’s pretty early on physics.

https://www.wikihow.com/images/thumb/2/25/Calculate-Weight-from-Mass-Step-1-preview-Version-2.jpg/550px-nowatermark-Calculate-Weight-from-Mass-Step-1-preview-Version-2.jpg

Asia would weight more than the Moon based off its surface area and position in space given its on Earth a planet with more gravity than the moon. The scepter feat is above moon+ level given Atlantis was even bigger than Asia and it involves a Aquaman that wasn’t well rested.

A pay bolt is a telepathic attack you were claiming telepathy doesn’t work on Orion and I’ve yet to see what showing for Orion to even justify that claim. Maxima even in the scan states despite how much brawn Orion has, his mental defenses are weak.

Yet she goes on to praise Aquaman’s mental defenses because she fails to control him with her hypnotism Id argue that’s pretty telling...

That whole no strength feat for Arthur even comes close thing remains to be seen honestly. You’ve made claims so far that haven’t been supported by the comics. Like Orion or New Gods couldn’t be TP’d when they have had their minds be broken into before.

In a Scott Snyder JL issue Aquaman kept up with Diana as well with Wonder Woman thinking she was fighting Cheetah and they both charge each other. Arthur has mentioned he could keep pace with a flying Diana by swimming and it’s been stated several times over that he’s faster outside of the water because of the weight of the water pressure being off him. Not to mention the guidebook stating that speed is one of the things their equal in. Again it’s you thinking your opinion on his physicals hold more weight than the actual writers at DC.

Their depicted as both charging into each other and he keeps pace

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/MW9HJHq

Johns even went as far to have Aquaman blitz Diana in Throne I’d Atlantis

https://m.imgur.com/5Ga3qVy

And back to the guidebook for scaling

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/7863913-9d9f7680-f21b-4ea3-921f-3c3f34974bc9.jpeg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Orion was also about to die by gasoline fire in that same run. It was a rather poor depiction for him.

Doesn't mean he is suddenly below Aquaman.

You don't have to KO someone to win. Aquaman was on ground and saying he will not surrender. That's a clear loss.
Maxima is a much better telepath than Aquaman is.

I wasn’t aware about the gasoline fire thing and again I’m not claiming he’s below Aquaman. My argument is Aquaman is being downplayed and he has feats that suggest he can fight Orion. They’re either just being thrown out for “reasons” or Aquaman is being lowballed while Orion isn’t.

Eh I could agree Batman came off better and it ended with him being depicted better but Arthur could of easily went on and kept fighting. In the instances provided by Orion he couldn’t have.

The issue with the Maxima thing is Maxima states that Orion has weak mental defenses in one instance, in another she’s praising Aquaman for resisting her control.

Originally posted by -Pr-
As much as I love you guys going off topic (but not really), I'm going to ask y'all to stop and get back on topic.

People like Diana and Maxima have no real bearing on this thread... as dumb as it is.

I do have an issue with this, because you’re completely ignoring the fact users are trying to piggyback Orion off Superman. But I use Maxima and Diana, 2 characters that have fought Orion and Aquaman both to try and make a point on Aquaman’s TP and physicals and it’s not allowed? I don’t see how that’s going off thread.

And the only direct comparison between Aquaman and Orion would be the Starro instance that happened in the same issue.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I do have an issue with this, because you’re completely ignoring the fact users are trying to piggyback Orion off Superman. But I use Maxima and Diana, 2 characters that have fought Orion and Aquaman both to try and make a point on Aquaman’s TP and physicals and it’s not allowed? I don’t see how that’s going off thread.

And the only direct comparison between Aquaman and Orion would be the Starro instance that happened in the same issue.

What I'm saying is that Arthur doesn't need to be compared to Maxima or Diana. His feats stand up on their own. As do Orion's.

Anyone who uses fights with Superman as ABC logic to prove how great Orion is, is just as bad as anyone trying to downplay Aquaman.

I don't mind people using fights to help their argument, but this thread is turning in to "Is Arthur Diana's equal", which is not what it's supposed to be.

And yes, the weird lowballing has to stop too. Of both character on the board.