Orion (grounded) vs. Aquaman

I couldn't see anything on your link, but I went back to page 1 and your right. That was a miss wording on my part. I thought I had only said TP won't affect him. Apologies.

MMH didn't have any uncertainty. He has been shown unable to TP read Orion before that so he knew his MB protected him fromhis TP. It was also shown once that when his dog of war anger was surging MMH couldn't help because the MB was already doing it. I couldn't be bothered trying to find those scans as I don't care that much. There are other instances too. For example an Arion story where Arion controlled some young new gods with TP who didn't have MBs but couldn't affect Orion or Lightray who did.

I honestly don't know what issue that's from, I just went to his respect thread on reddit expecting to find one of the feats I knew of, and that was the one on it.

The swamp thing and Kordax incident I would class under mental influence. I would also class his battle on the astral plane with that dimensional entity influence. The white Martian seizures I wouldn't (as I've already said) and I haven't seen the devolving shark feat PR referenced. Depending on the context behind that thisebtwo are a viable mental attack while Arthur's standard use of TP isn't IMHO.

Originally posted by Juntai
He creates the harness out of astro force like Surfer with his board and power cosmic.

Thanks, my bad.
For some reason I thought the harness was a new God piece of technology that was made to facilitate control of the Astro force.

Don't ask me why, I haven't a clue.

I just remembered another instance of Orion's mother box and TP, that I've seen the scans of in a debate (haven't read the issue myself but have seen 5 pages). Hector Hammond managed to put his consciousness in Superman's subconscious. Orion worked it out. After WW used her lasso to confirm by controlling Hammond inside Supes Orion removed him with the MB and then used it to create safe guards and fortifications against it recurring in Superman.

Originally posted by beatboks
I couldn't see anything on your link, but I went back to page 1 and your right. That was a miss wording on my part. I thought I had only said TP won't affect him. Apologies.

MMH didn't have any uncertainty. He has been shown unable to TP read Orion before that so he knew his MB protected him fromhis TP. It was also shown once that when his dog of war anger was surging MMH couldn't help because the MB was already doing it. I couldn't be bothered trying to find those scans as I don't care that much. There are other instances too. For example an Arion story where Arion controlled some young new gods with TP who didn't have MBs but couldn't affect Orion or Lightray who did.

I honestly don't know what issue that's from, I just went to his respect thread on reddit expecting to find one of the feats I knew of, and that was the one on it.

The swamp thing and Kordax incident I would class under mental influence. I would also class his battle on the astral plane with that dimensional entity influence. The white Martian seizures I wouldn't (as I've already said) and I haven't seen the devolving shark feat PR referenced. Depending on the context behind that thisebtwo are a viable mental attack while Arthur's standard use of TP isn't IMHO.

You were talking about controlling and influencing being something you don’t think would work on Orion. What Arthur did to Swampthing was neither he pretty much mentally pushed him back

https://m.imgur.com/a/GTokE

You’d have to define what you mean by influence for me. Kordax wasn’t mentally made to do anything though or influenced to do anything he was simply trapped in his own mind by Aquaman and his conscious ate by a beast/dragon in the telepathic realm they resided in.

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/3kvQMyz

“This is the celestial isthmus a ‘psychokinetic sea’ “

Aquaman basically used a word related to psychic the psyche.

I’d have to wait and see the tp resistance/immunity feats the mother box provides. If your ever able to come across them.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Snide implies indirectness. I was being very direct.

Remember, you started this by talking shit about someone else's reading comprehension. You're not some bullied victim.

Because he is quite consistently misrepresenting scans (Brainiac's TK attack became TP attack somehow). I simply said his reading comprehension seems very bad.

Bullied victim? You couldn't bully carver after a decade and a half of outright trolling.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Irony. You couldn’t even follow pictures and somehow came to the conclusion without the comic helping you to do so that Orion had oneshotted Hal. I’ll take reading comprehension issues over whatever that issue is... anyday.

I mean, using Brainiac's TK attack which trashes the entire room as a TP attack? Dude, you've to be blind not to see that.

You were talking about controlling and influencing being something you don’t think would work on Orion. What Arthur did to Swampthing was neither he pretty much mentally pushed him back

https://m.imgur.com/a/GTokE

You’d have to define what you mean by influence for me. Kordax wasn’t mentally made to do anything though or influenced to do anything he was simply trapped in his own mind by Aquaman and his conscious ate by a beast/dragon in the telepathic realm they resided in.

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/3kvQMyz

“This is the celestial isthmus a ‘psychokinetic sea’ “

Aquaman basically used a word related to psychic the psyche.

Causing an effect on the body of someone that the mind of said person can do is influencing the mind. For the same reason trapping someone within the mind is also influencing. Swamp thing moves by walking and like anyone he can control himself to stop. A person can go deep inside their mind and day dream or contemplate. These are things their own mind can make them do so when Telepath causes this its simply influencingnthose factors. A siezure isn't something your mind has hand control over, in fact they occur in those that get them because they cant control that type of thing. Similarly we can't control our own evolvment (or devolve as in the case of the Shark feat PR mentioned).

When Psylocke uses her psi blade to short circuit a person's mind with an energy spike its not influencing that person's mind, its more like electrocution.

Honestly I don't know why this has to be explained. It seems to me to be pretty self explanatory.

Since its now been cleared up for me that the Astro force is something that might be in play in a grounded Orion (which I didn't beleive to be the case) I'd like to hear how you think Arthur can withstand an astro force attack. Orion's peak AF attack destroyed a solar system from the shock wave generated.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Heh, Orion had Hal in a chokehold after one attack, maybe on comicvine they teach you otherwise but that's pretty much oneshot here.

I mean, using Brainiac's TK attack which trashes the entire room as a TP attack? Dude, you've to be blind not to see that.

Lmao the inability to just admit your wrong is the reason your just waste of time.

Originally posted by beatboks
Causing an effect on the body of someone that the mind of said person can do is influencing the mind. For the same reason trapping someone within the mind is also influencing. Swamp thing moves by walking and like anyone he can control himself to stop. A person can go deep inside their mind and day dream or contemplate. These are things their own mind can make them do so when Telepath causes this its simply influencingnthose factors. A siezure isn't something your mind has hand control over, in fact they occur in those that get them because they cant control that type of thing. Similarly we can't control our own evolvment (or devolve as in the case of the Shark feat PR mentioned).

When Psylocke uses her psi blade to short circuit a person's mind with an energy spike its not influencing that person's mind, its more like electrocution.

Honestly I don't know why this has to be explained. It seems to me to be pretty self explanatory.

Since its now been cleared up for me that the Astro force is something that might be in play in a grounded Orion (which I didn't beleive to be the case) I'd like to hear how you think Arthur can withstand an astro force attack. Orion's peak AF attack destroyed a solar system from the shock wave generated.

Nowhere in the comic did it imply Swampthing mentally thought I need to physically stop because Aquaman told me to. It looked just as much as a TK attack which he’s been suggested and I’ve shown he’s had.

How is trapping someone in their mind influencing them? You’d have to explain that to me in depth. Influencing atleast I thought was making suggestions or implanting ideas in someone’s head. It’s what Maxwell Lord does. Aquaman as he stated was in a “Psychokinetic sea” a psychic realm so to speak and had a beast swallow up his conscious. That’s not telling or suggesting Kordax to do anything that’s simply mentally dominating him.

I honestly also don’t get how you keep dancing around the wording in the panic in the sky scene where Maxima mentions that despite Orion’s brawn his mind isn’t as strong basically.

Or the same thing Braniac did to Metron he ended up doing to the rest of the New Gods. I’ll just wait on actual feats for Orion’s tp resistance at this point nonetheless 🤙🏿

Also what you’re claiming is self explanatory so far has been your interpretation ignoring the wording of the comics to fit your mold of events. You simply either ignore key words or phrases in the comics either I or you yourself posted to fit your narrative.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because he is quite consistently misrepresenting scans (Brainiac's TK attack became TP attack somehow). I simply said his reading comprehension seems very bad.

Bullied victim? You couldn't bully carver after a decade and a half of outright trolling.

And I accused you of being a hypocrite for doing the exact same thing. Which you regularly do.

Giving people shit for their dumb posts isn't the same as bullying.

Originally posted by -Pr-
And I accused you of being a hypocrite for doing the exact same thing. Which you regularly do.

Giving people shit for their dumb posts isn't the same as bullying.

Good then, guess I never bullied you.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I guess it takes one to know one but you already knew that.

Good then, guess I never bullied you.

lol, ok, sure. Keep thinking that.

Though, I realise all this is only to deflect away from the dumb post you made, so you know what? You do you. Even have the last word if it's that important to you. Go on. I won't even reply. I promise.

Aquaman is a Nazi sympathizer. That fishy scumbag loses. sneer

Nowhere in the comic did it imply Swampthing mentally thought I need to physically stop because Aquaman told me to. It looked just as much as a TK attack which he’s been suggested and I’ve shown he’s had.

When Xavier or other telepaths stop people in the physical movements does it imply that by they consciously choose to do so? No because they have been telepathically overridden. Stopping any action that the mind of the one doing the action could do is an example of influencing the mind UNLESS it is shown to be other than that. When a person is hypnotised and put deep within themselves that is influencing the mind how could it be any different when done by a Telepath?

I honestly also don’t get how you keep dancing around the wording in the panic in the sky scene where Maxima mentions that despite Orion’s brawn his mind isn’t as strong basically.

She doesn't say anything such thing she says he cant withstand a psychic assault and as I already explained psychic doesn't necessarily mean mind nor does it mean it's an attack on the mind.

I have already shown you that her psy bolts dont actually just affect the mind, they blow holes through the walls of ships designed with withstand the rigours of space travel and re-entry from space.

Psychic can refer to TK that Arthur doesn't hàve hit maxima does, it can refer to soul based powers that someone like Obsidian or Helstrom have but Arthur doesn't. Using a character who has SEVERAL psychic type powers and showing they do something to x character doesn't equate to another character doing the same thing. Maxima's psy bolts simply do something very different to TP and Arthur isn't capable of that. Others using TP like MMH, Arion, and even Hector Hammond can't effect Orion yet your one and only scan of someone with a completely different mental power set is meant to imply that Arthur can succeed where these other using the same powerset he has have failed. Can you seriously not see the difference??

I said in my first post that if Orion goes dog of War mode Arthur is screwed. The simple fact is IF Arthurnis able to get thru the TP defenses of the MB than Orion does go dog of war mode. His MB's constant effort to maintain his control is the only thing preventing him loosing control to his rage. It's literally the reason why he has so many less MB feats tha any other new God. His mother box is busy keeping his mind in control of his rage. If that rage gets out then Orion simply destroys the solar system they are standing in and all life in it.

https://ibb.co/ZMpdHqg
https://ibb.co/8bk79xt
Arthur isn't surviving that and he's not likely to control that rage monster the same way that MMH couldn't deal with BAs dark nature in WWIII, that Brainwave was overcome by all the dark things in Obsidian in the GL one shot, the same way Hulk is immune to tp, and many other examples.

If Arthur could get past the MB defenses for TP (which I highly doubt) he in effect just caused his own defeat, destruction and that of everyone in the solar system around him bar Orion.

Originally posted by -Pr-
lol, ok, sure. Keep thinking that.

Though, I realise all this is only to deflect away from the dumb post you made, so you know what? You do you. Even have the last word if it's that important to you. Go on. I won't even reply. I promise.

There’s a difference though between just physically stopping from moving because you were told to do so, and being pushed back as telepathic waves hit you. What Aquaman did to Swampthing was the latter.

You keep skipping over actually providing showings for Orion showcasing his tp resistance as well. Maxima doesn’t control souls she can control someone’s mind, Im getting lost on how the fact she comments on Orion’s brawn being great but his mind not being so.

On top of the fact bringing up emotions. Raven has also used her empathy abilities to quell Orion’s rage and it’s not like there hasn’t been instances where Orion’s rage didn’t still get the better of him.

The solar system feat thing is cool and all but I’m not claiming Aquaman is more durable than Orion. So as cool as a mention as it is it’s pretty pointless. I’ve went on to state on this thread already that Orion is the physically more powerful between the two but my issue being I don’t see Aquaman getting oneshotted and I do believe Aquaman has win scenarios with his mental abilities which prior I said TP and his trident.

I’ve yet to really see anything for Orion’s tp defense as of yet outside J’onn saying he might be able to resist something.. honestly a lot of stuff I’ve questioned or asked about has straight up been ignored or danced around. With other stuff being brought up. I’m not the type to just believe something because someone keeps insisting upon it either and a lot of your counter arguments are your explanations and interpretations of scans and bringing up stuff like solar system plus durability when I’m questioning his mental defenses. I’ve yet to even see a showing of a mother box counter a telepathic assault.

Mind probes aren’t TP Assaults.

I meant to post this earlier, sorry guys. For anyone that doesn't want to hunt down the comic, here's the Shark feat:

Again, from Aquaman (v5/1994) #31

Originally posted by -Pr-
I meant to post this earlier, sorry guys. For anyone that doesn't want to hunt down the comic, here's the Shark feat:

Again, from Aquaman (v5/1994) #31

What in the world.