This entire topic depends on the writer, and that goes for both characters. The first time that Superman met Maxima, he wasn’t breathing in space on his own. He used an oxygen tank, which eventually brought him to War World. Well, not on his own of course as he was abducted.
In Thor’s case, when he fought the Silver Surfer in space, he was talking.
As I mentioned, both of them needing oxygen is fully dependent upon the writer.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Hmmm, since Carver is here, and I was just bored to death so I'm adding something hereThe scan in the topic when Superman said 'I don't particularly need to breathe' was actually referring this scene
''A single breath must have so completely oxygenated my blood.........That I simply don't need to breathe anymore !'
https://ibb.co/xmmQVPHLater, When his power intensified to a uncontrollable degree, Parasite absorbed his excessive energy made him normal again
However, the ability of traveling through space/just with one breath his blood completely oxygenated that he doesn't need to breathe was kept from this point
'I can travel in space these days'
https://ibb.co/KhsPpGCWriter letter's confirmation( Thanks philo !!!)
https://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/Powerup1.jpg
https://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/Powerup2.jpgBio also cemented this
'Superman was nonetheless able to travel in space unaided from that point forward'
https://ibb.co/6gYtNzL
https://ibb.co/LRnv3ztSo, yes, techinically Superman in this instance still requires *one* breath....And then he would be completely oxygenated/no need for breath after that......I don't think Carver will like it
Also
'The chroniclers soon discovered that the pre-First Crisis Superman could survive without oxygen' 😖hifty:
https://ibb.co/DVdktwR
That's some really well-informed post. Somehow managing to keep it nice & short, too. Excellent job 👆
It's no secret I'm not a fan of the character, but I can certainly appreciate such contributions.
Originally posted by Stoic
This entire topic depends on the writer, and that goes for both characters. The first time that Superman met Maxima, he wasn’t breathing in space on his own. He used an oxygen tank, which eventually brought him to War World. Well, not on his own of course as he was abducted.In Thor’s case, when he fought the Silver Surfer in space, he was talking.
As I mentioned, both of them needing oxygen is fully dependent upon the writer.
Except one side has explicit showings saying he doesn't need to breathe.
The question is, does the other side have the same?
Originally posted by Stoic
This entire topic depends on the writer, and that goes for both characters. The first time that Superman met Maxima, he wasn’t breathing in space on his own. He used an oxygen tank, which eventually brought him to War World. Well, not on his own of course as he was abducted.In Thor’s case, when he fought the Silver Surfer in space, he was talking.
As I mentioned, both of them needing oxygen is fully dependent upon the writer.
First problem is the fact that you've missed or are outright ignoring the point brought up we have actual examples showing Superman outright not needing to breathe. But Thor? He doesn't have any examples. Or at least any examples that have been presented. Instead of addressing that, people just go "what about this!!" which often doesn't even apply do to whatever reason(not actually needing air, just because sound can't travel in space, before power ups, or even non canon).
Then the second is what has already been addressed. Superman's first encounter with Maxima was before any of his power ups. As he got more powerful, his need to breathe was first turned to just as long as he had oxygen in his blood stream to even outright saying he doesn't need air later on.
Originally posted by Delta1938
First problem is the fact that you've missed or are outright ignoring the point brought up we have actual examples showing Superman outright not needing to breathe. But Thor? He doesn't have any examples. Or at least any examples that have been presented. Instead of addressing that, people just go "what about this!!" which often doesn't even apply do to whatever reason(not actually needing air, just because sound can't travel in space, before power ups, or even non canon).Then the second is what has already been addressed. Superman's first encounter with Maxima was before any of his power ups. As he got more powerful, his need to breathe was first turned to just as long as he had oxygen in his blood stream to even outright saying he doesn't need air later on.
First off, Thor has breathed in space. I didn’t miss a thing. It is dependent upon the writer. Thor has scenes or arcs that he did not need to breathe in space. It’s the writer’s choice. Follow canon for one, you have to follow canon for both.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except one side has explicit showings saying he doesn't need to breathe.
The question is, does the other side have the same?
I don't even care if Thor has those examples. If he does, cool. But if he doesn't, why try so hard to try to demean Superman? Well I know why, but I wish these people would stop pretending their agenda isn't obvious.
Originally posted by Delta1938
I don't even care if Thor has those examples. If he does, cool. But if he doesn't, why try so hard to try to demean Superman? Well I know why, but I wish these people would stop pretending their agenda isn't obvious.
I’m not really. It’s just that both have had times that they weren’t able to breathe in space, and times that they both could. When Odin fought Galactus in space he didn’t need to breathe. In the same arc, Thor was fighting the Surfer in space and didn’t need to breathe. It really depends on the writer. There are other examples out there.
Originally posted by Stoic
First off, Thor has breathed in space. I didn’t miss a thing. It is dependent upon the writer. Thor has scenes or arcs that he did not need to breathe in space. It’s the writer’s choice. Follow canon for one, you have to follow canon for both.
Reread DS' post. Superman has been outright said not to need to breathe. Outright said. Examples of that have been asked for Thor. Instead of acknowledging the request, carter spams scans often which are completely invalid to his argument.
And you also brought up an example that fits. Superman could only hold his breathe under Byrne and onwards until Kryptonite-X powered him up. Then he didn't need more air after his blood was oxygenated. Later it was outright said he didn't need to breathe. So your example of first time meeting Maxima doesn't apply.
Originally posted by Stoic
I’m not really. It’s just that both have had times that they weren’t able to breathe in space, and times that they both could. When Odin fought Galactus in space he didn’t need to breathe. In the same arc, Thor was fighting the Surfer in space and didn’t need to breathe. It really depends on the writer. There are other examples out there.
I wasn't actually referring to you in that.
Originally posted by JBL
Wrong, I'm Superman's most devoted fan. Love the Character.
That's why you went from unable to name how many Superman comics you've actually read to saying you know him from JLA to now claiming he's your favorite character.....a claim even Superman haters laughed at you for. You do this while consistently proving you don't know shit about the character. And lying about everything.
And one time you asked me a question to dodge your own, I answered giving you the benefit of the doubt, knowing it was wrong to give you it, then you proved me right by not answering my question like the little b!tch you are.
But hey you've done other things proving this outside comics.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Reread DS' post. Superman has been outright said not to need to breathe. Outright said. Examples of that have been asked for Thor. Instead of acknowledging the request, carter spams scans often which are completely invalid to his argument.And you also brought up an example that fits. Superman could only hold his breathe under Byrne and onwards until Kryptonite-X powered him up. Then he didn't need more air after his blood was oxygenated. Later it was outright said he didn't need to breathe. So your example of first time meeting Maxima doesn't apply.
We also know that Avril Dox removed Lobo’s cloning ability, but that was changed. All that I’m saying is that at any time another writer can undo what was written. Thor has breathed in space, and beneath the waves/water. Now he for some reason will drown, or die in space without oxygen. It really wasn’t even that long ago that Thor, and Odin fought Galactus and the Surfer in space and were talking. Then you have Thor, and Galactus fighting Scrier out in deep space without the need of air. In Thor’s case it’s simply a case of inconsistent writing, or that some writers do not know that he can breathe in space.
It was stat’ed that the reason behind this was that he had some type of magical protection.
Originally posted by Stoic
We also know that Avril Dox removed Lobo’s cloning ability, but that was changed. All that I’m saying is that at any time another writer can undo what was written. Thor has breathed in space, and beneath the waves/water. Now he for some reason will drown, or die in space without oxygen. It really wasn’t even that long ago that Thor, and Odin fought Galactus and the Surfer in space and were talking. Then you have Thor, and Galactus fighting Scrier out in deep space without the need of air. In Thor’s case it’s simply a case of inconsistent writing, or that some writers do not know that he can breathe in space.It was stat’ed that the reason behind this was that he had some type of magical protection.
And none of this is relevant to the point.
