Thor needs to breathe --- he is no Superman

Originally posted by Juntai
Sure, when he's holding back.

Just because Hulk gets wrecked at this level, doesn't mean it applies to Superman.

The very idea that Dr Manhattan wasn't confident he could stop Superman should tell you how powerful he is.
Likewise, even before the sun dip moment, The World Forger wasn't sure he could stop Superman either-- even after roughing him up once, only that everyone else would die if they did fight.

Though they haven't fought directly, we've seen their performance against a common enemy:
Depowered Darkseid was stronger than Zues, and Superman has beat him a dozen times. In fact, New Gods have destroyed Olympus a handful of times now, and they get rebirthed in the next big cosmic event.

Superman is a nexus being who's sheer will changes the order and flow of the entire metaverse at a level that the gods and cosmics can't even fathom. The Quintessence even suggested that Superman's existence makes them obsolete.

Anyways, lets hear it from Zues and Highfather-
Zues and Highfather on Superman

And this is why Superman neg diffs Goku. 👆

Superman and Hulk are the most powerful from their respective planets imo.

Originally posted by Juntai
Darkseid is the head of a pantheon of gods that are above the Norse and Olympian gods.

He is 100 percent a skyfather, at minimum, as that is the very definition of it. But he's also stronger than all the others in this class.

His rise to power was him going killing all the other pantheons and absorbing their power, just as we saw him easily do with Zues.

Superman is always holding back.

I showed you a scan just a day or two ago where he explained he hasn't stopped holding back a single time since he killed Doomsday/Death of Superman. Hadn't gone all out before or after DOS.

🤦🏿...

And it's been mentioned, RECENTLY that Hulk always hold back, but at least I know every writer doesn't take this under consideration.

Depowered Darkseid was weaker than Diana. Let's not forget that Darkseid absorbed most of the gods power and after fighting Zeus, he absorbed Zeus power as well and pages later, was getting wrecked by Diana... Grail had to save him. He got stomped, a full powered Darkseid.

https://ibb.co/TH750y0
https://ibb.co/0s6jhH1
https://ibb.co/3RZZYw5
https://ibb.co/x5p9YBw
https://ibb.co/S69B1Nj
https://ibb.co/JqJnXcr
https://ibb.co/N7DDyvn
https://ibb.co/sbRZGDB
https://ibb.co/0jDxw66
https://ibb.co/GVkwx92
https://ibb.co/8KtJLBw

And before anyone mentions she fought a weaker Darkseid after this because his power level was gone in the next comic. Diana is the reason his power level depleted from its classic levels. The power he absorbed got sucked clean out of him. Diana fought and stomped a full powered Darkseid...

https://ibb.co/L1pRwVB
https://ibb.co/FwBPpLx

Originally posted by playa1258
Superman and Hulk are the most powerful from their respective planets imo.

Not with Omega mutants, Franklin Richards, even Sue Richards (Take Reed's name you qwnt!)

It's funny how this thread stopped talking Thor in just a few pages. And now Wonder Woman and Darkseid and Hulk were brought up, in a topic that basically has no relation with the thread

Originally posted by carver9
🤦🏿...

And it's been mentioned, RECENTLY that Hulk always hold back, but at least I know every writer doesn't take this under consideration.

Depowered Darkseid was weaker than Diana. Let's not forget that Darkseid absorbed most of the gods power and after fighting Zeus, he absorbed Zeus power as well and pages later, was getting wrecked by Diana... Grail had to save him. He got stomped, a full powered Darkseid.

https://ibb.co/TH750y0
https://ibb.co/0s6jhH1
https://ibb.co/3RZZYw5
https://ibb.co/x5p9YBw
https://ibb.co/S69B1Nj
https://ibb.co/JqJnXcr
https://ibb.co/N7DDyvn
https://ibb.co/sbRZGDB
https://ibb.co/0jDxw66
https://ibb.co/GVkwx92
https://ibb.co/8KtJLBw

And before anyone mentions she fought a weaker Darkseid after this because his power level was gone in the next comic. Diana is the reason his power level depleted from its classic levels. The power he absorbed got sucked clean out of him. Diana fought and stomped a full powered Darkseid...

https://ibb.co/L1pRwVB

https://ibb.co/FwBPpLx

Your reading comprehension is extremely low. I'm not sure why you bother with comics when you can't understand the context of them. It definitely comes across as very autistic.

She was an annoyance at best, even coming to the realization she couldn't beat him by fighting him in those scans, and had to 'defeat' him by way of deux ex.

Superman just flat out overpowers him.

Originally posted by Juntai
Your reading comprehension is extremely low. I'm not sure why you bother with comics when you can't understand the context of them. It definitely comes across as very autistic.

She was an annoyance at best, even coming to the realization she couldn't beat him by fighting him in those scans, and had to 'defeat' him by way of deux ex.

Superman just flat out overpowers him.

So knocking blood out of his mouth, having him on his knees by the end of the fight and then outright beating him at the end doesn't in your opinion means she can beat him? Your reaching is hilarious. Darkseid talking crap doesn't take away from him being humiliated by a herald and then losing by her.

Also want to point out that the comic outright states she defeated Darkseid...

https://ibb.co/hYDKKq3

At this point Juntai, we just need to stop debating. You're full of excuses and it's frustrating dealing with your debate type. If Superman doesn't win, he's holding back. Superman ALWAYS hold back, even during the times he's saying he is going all out, or outright dying. You're entire debating style is, "if I don't like it, that character is holding back". Who holds back while getting killed? Anyways, you can have the last word. You're a headache and make my stomach hurt.

You have to be able to read;

She flat out says he's too strong and she doesn't think she can beat him by fighting against him. That violence won't help her.

Then uses a plot device/deux ex to 'defeat' him with love.

It's in your own posted scans.
There's no way around this. She says herself she can't and he's too strong.

Yes, she did win, by plot device of drawing the Olympians' back out of him, not by actually overpowering him in any way. And it's not anything that would help her in a normal conflict between the two.

Superman overpowers him.

Originally posted by Juntai
You have to be able to read;

She flat out says he's too strong and she doesn't think she can beat him by fighting against him. That violence won't help her.

Then uses a plot device/deux ex to 'defeat' him with love.

It's in your own posted scans.
There's no way around this. She says herself she can't and he's too strong.

Yes, she did win, by plot device of drawing the Olympians' back out of him, not by actually overpowering him in any way. And it's not anything that would help her in a normal conflict between the two.

Superman overpowers him.

She's said she's beginning to THINK she can't beat him and then goes on to do it. Lol... she caught his punch the next page and the page before, the broke his finger, with ease.

You do know Superman himself has said he couldn't beat certain characters and then proceed at beating them.

Example, Rebirth Superman and Darkseid latest fight, Superman admits he isn't strong enough. Admits Darkseid is far stronger. This is the same Darkseid Diana stomped by the way. She looked better in her fight. She actually stood toe to toe with him.

https://ibb.co/hYDKKq3

Keep on talking about strength and Diana not being strong enough per her statements. Does Superman mentioning the same thing counts or is his tongue holding back?

Originally posted by carver9
Example, Rebirth Superman and Darkseid latest fight, Superman admits he isn't strong enough. Admits Darkseid is far stronger. This is the same Darkseid Diana stomped by the way. She looked better in her fight. She actually stood toe to toe with him.

https://ibb.co/hYDKKq3

Keep on talking about strength and Diana not being strong enough per her statements. Does Superman mentioning the same thing counts or is his tongue holding back?

Then he said **** this, I'm Superman and beat his ass.

Darkseid asking if he's holding back, and mentions using Antilife on him to make him feel hopeless
https://imgur.com/gallery/kX1mL35

Superman mentions the hopelessness he feels and says Darkseid might be stronger than him, then thinks to himself, I'm Superman and overpowers him.
"There's nothing I can do.. I'm not strong enough, there's no hope left... I'm .. . Superman. I'm Kal El of Krypton. I'm Clark Kent."
"I choose to hope and do the impossible."
https://imgur.com/gallery/q0mATuD

Then he saves all the people and completely railroads Darkseid, no plot device needed.
https://imgur.com/gallery/F4LhK1G

Completely different than what we see with Wonder Woman. Not only did she get a plot device victory rather than actually beating him. But in the Superman encounter he was using the Antilife Equation on him.

Sometimes he does and sometimes he doesn't. While in space he spoke to Oblivion and apparently did not require oxygen.

Lol... he saves them, but he still mentioned Darkseid being stronger. He even mentions it when Darkseid was in the portal, gone. And yes, he beat him via PLOT, but he still knew Darkseid was stronger. Also, Darkseid was attacking Superman in his dreams, like he mentioned there and it said it affected his hope, something that Superman said wasn't affected at all, which is the reason he defeated him.

Only thing it did was affect his sleep...

https://ibb.co/MPBNHTb

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... he saves them, but he still mentioned Darkseid being stronger. He even mentions it when Darkseid was in the portal, gone. And yes, he beat him via PLOT, but he still knew Darkseid was stronger. Also, Darkseid was attacking Superman in his dreams, like he mentioned there and it said it affected his hope, something that Superman said wasn't affected at all, which is the reason he defeated him.

Only thing it did was affect his sleep...

https://ibb.co/MPBNHTb

It was causing him hopeless of not being able to save the day and not be strong enough. It's right there in your scan.

The same thing he was feeling against Darkseid before he overcame it.

The was the exact intention of the entire story.

Superman's doubts in the story, including thinking Darkseid was stronger, were caused by the Antilife at the beginning of the issue.

Originally posted by carver9
So knocking blood out of his mouth, having him on his knees by the end of the fight and then outright beating him at the end doesn't in your opinion means she can beat him? Your reaching is hilarious. Darkseid talking crap doesn't take away from him being humiliated by a herald and then losing by her.

This is rich coming from someone who thinks because Wonder Woman THOUGHT she had a chance, it means Darkseid wasn't so powerful. You are a delusional hypocrite.

Originally posted by carver9

Anyways, you can have the last word. You're a headache and make my stomach hurt.

I guess you only said that to try and save face while running away before you thought you had a point.

Originally posted by Juntai
Again you're failing to understand what you're reading.

It was causing him hopeless of not being able to save the day and not be strong enough. It's right there in your scan.

The same thing he was feeling against Darkseid before he overcame it.

The was the exact intention of the entire story.

Superman's doubts in the story, including thinking Darkseid was stronger, were caused by the Antilife at the beginning of the issue.

It caused him to be hopeless, it didn't cause him to become a compulsive liar.

He said Darkseid was stronger AFTER he overcame it also.

The intentions of the story was to make Superman feel like he couldn't win, not make him a liar and say Darkseid is stronger than him and his friends.

Again you have to actually comprehend what you’re reading.

in the very scan you posted he explained what his fears were.
That he wouldn’t be strong enough to save the day.

Darkseid again solidifies this was the goal by asking if he’s holding back while slapping him around at first and mentioning that it was because of fears and hopelessness set in from the Antilife being used.

Superman then said I’m Superman and I choose hope and to do the impossible and overcame it and absolutely smashed him.

He did not say Darkseid was stronger after.

He said he doesn’t need to lie awake wondering if he’ll be strong enough because there’s always someone stronger out there but true power is hope no matter how bad things get.

Originally posted by Juntai
Again you're failing to understand what you're reading.

It was causing him hopeless of not being able to save the day and not be strong enough. It's right there in your scan.

The same thing he was feeling against Darkseid before he overcame it.

The was the exact intention of the entire story.

Superman's doubts in the story, including thinking Darkseid was stronger, were caused by the Antilife at the beginning of the issue.

Even N52 Superman's powers/a weakened Superman's powers are stated to be equal to Darkseid, who during that time was portrayed really powerful(destroying universes, powers were equal to CPB, stalemating AM etcetc)
https://ibb.co/FV2X8rG

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