Can Mjolnir's "worthy enchantmment" be overpowered with strength?

Started by Robtard7 pages
Originally posted by h1a8
The return force is weak as i proven in the other thread. The ground didn't get crushed while she was holding it (like Hulk did) and it didn't carry her off her feet either when she first made contact. That proves it wasn't purely strength (the prevention of it falling or her coming off her feet). The only part where strength played a role was preventing it from returning and crushing it.

False. The return force is not "weak", as Thor said in Ragnarok to Loki, "You know that nothing will stop Mjolnir as it returns to my hand. Not even your face!."

"Nothing" being the functioning word there, meaning Mjolnir could bury it's way through a planet or greater, if it had to due to its enchantment.

Seriously, watch the movies before you do your nonsense trolling, you're just coming off as ignorant. You're done here.

Ok, So that is a yes, you're saying that Hela might possibly have used magic to anchor herself so she could use strength to stop and then destroy Mjolnir.

Originally posted by Robtard
False. The return force is not "weak", as Thor said in Ragnarok to Loki, "You know that nothing will stop Mjolnir as it returns to my hand. Not even your face!."

"Nothing" being the functioning word there, meaning Mjolnir could bury it's way through a planet or greater, if it had to due to its enchantment.

Seriously, watch the movies before you do your nonsense trolling, you're just going off as ignorant. You're done here.

Showings that contradict that >>>>> statements.

Originally posted by h1a8
Showings that contradict that >>>>> statements.

Of which you didn't show...

Originally posted by Robtard
Of which you didn't show...
Kurse is able to stop it with a tiny fraction of his strength (he batted it away which is multiple times just plain stopping it).

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes, and if she removed her hand from Mjolnir it would have went ahead and smashed into her. That's not overcoming the enchantment.

And there's no enchantment on Mjolnir to make it indestructible either, which means that Hela crushing it (while impressive) has got nothing to do with the worhty enchantment on Mjolnir.


Well the OP asked who can overpower the enchantment with strength though. Not render the enchantment null.
I don't know if she can nullify the enchantment (she prolly could) but She definitely can overpower it with her strength. Easily.
Mjolnir was beneath Hela, that much was certain.

Originally posted by h1a8
Kurse is able to stop it with a tiny fraction of his strength (he batted it away which is multiple times just plain stopping it).

How can batting it away be multiple times just plain stopping it?

Originally posted by h1a8
(or was preferred by Mjolnir) to prevent it from falling.

That's already debunked by Rob's gif showing Mjolnir clearly trying to move out of her grip. Clearly she didn't negate any magical enchantment and simply used strength.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
How can batting it away be multiple times just plain stopping it?
Force equals change in momentum over time.
Batting something away is several times more change in momentum than just stopping it.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
That's already debunked by Rob's gif showing Mjolnir clearly trying to move out of her grip. Clearly she didn't negate any magical enchantment and simply used strength.

You ignored my argument though. The hammer didn't fall the moment she grabbed it like everyone else did (Hulk and QS). Her feet didn't cave the ground in (like Hulk did). That means she didn't use strength to overpower the worthy enchantment.

Originally posted by h1a8
You ignored my argument though. The hammer didn't fall the moment she grabbed it like everyone else did (Hulk and QS). Her feet didn't cave the ground in (like Hulk did). That means she didn't use strength to overpower the worthy enchantment.

No that just means she's much stronger than Hulk and QS.

And she's obviously not worthy LMAO. Neither was there any indication of her doing magic on Mjolnir before hand.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
No that just means she's much stronger than Hulk and QS.

And she's obviously not worthy LMAO. Neither was there any indication of her doing magic on Mjolnir before hand.

Her feet didn't cave the ground in. Why are you keep ignoring that? So how could it be strength that allowed her to keep Mjolnir from falling to the ground?

Originally posted by h1a8
Her feet didn't cave the ground in. Why are you keep ignoring that? So how could it be strength that allowed her to keep Mjolnir from falling to the ground?

Why would he cave fall to the ground when Mjolnir was coming at her horizontally?

Your anti-Marvel/Thor bias is ridiculous.

There was literally zero indication she used magic in that scene, and every indication she used strength.

Your hate for Marvel and Thor doesnt change a thing there.

h1 trying to pass off his headcanon as fact again.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Why would he cave fall to the ground when Mjolnir was coming at her horizontally?

Your anti-Marvel/Thor bias is ridiculous.

There was literally zero indication she used magic in that scene, and every indication she used strength.

Your hate for Marvel and Thor doesnt change a thing there.

Everytime is was caught it dropped to the ground. She held it when it supposed to have fallen,

Impressive strength feat.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Impressive strength feat.
The ground didn't cave. Therefore it wasn't strength.

Originally posted by h1a8
Everytime is was caught it dropped to the ground. She held it when it supposed to have fallen,

By individuals not as strong as Hela.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Impressive strength feat.

👆

Originally posted by h1a8
The ground didn't cave. Therefore it wasn't strength.

Quote where that is stated in the movie.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
Well the OP asked who can overpower the enchantment with strength though. Not render the enchantment null.
I don't know if she can nullify the enchantment (she prolly could) but She definitely can overpower it with her strength. Easily.
Mjolnir was beneath Hela, that much was certain.

Yes, and the enchantment we're talking about is the enchantment on whether someone can lift or wield Mjolnir, not whether or not they can stop Mjolnir from hitting them or whether they can break Mjolnir. That's not the same thing.

Hela's feat while clearly very impressive didn't show that she can somehow wield Mjolnir by pure strength.