Can Mjolnir's "worthy enchantmment" be overpowered with strength?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes, and the enchantment we're talking about is the enchantment on whether someone can lift or wield Mjolnir, not whether or not they can stop Mjolnir from hitting them or whether they can break Mjolnir. That's not the same thing.

Hela's feat while clearly very impressive didn't show that she can somehow wield Mjolnir by pure strength.

Hela clearly had her fingers around it, but she wasn't "holding" it, she was "stopping" it. The mental gymnastics in this thread are insane.

Originally posted by h1a8
Every time Mjolnir was caught it dropped straight to the ground. It didn't in Hela's case. She simply held it up while the ground didn't cave in.

Mjolnir can fly on its own power. Why would it need to drop?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Mjolnir can fly on its own power. Why would it need to drop?

Ask the writers, they made it happen. Maybe it had something to do with the worthy enchantment. The moment someone grabbed it while it was flying, it dropped.

Originally posted by h1a8
Ask the writers, they made it happen. Maybe it had something to do with the worthy enchantment. The moment someone grabbed it while it was flying, it dropped.

Nah, everytime someone tried to grab it, it continued on its trajectory and dragged them along till it finished its trajectory. Hela was the only one to stop it in its path.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Nah, everytime someone tried to grab it, it continued on its trajectory and dragged them along till it finished its trajectory. Hela was the only one to stop it in its path.

Why are people arguing with him again? I've said more than once that he has some dyslexic issue in which he comprehends thing the exact opposite as they really are. You are all wasting your time. He doesnt have the mental capability to understand.

Originally posted by tkitna
Why are people arguing with him again? I've said more than once that he has some dyslexic issue in which he comprehends thing the exact opposite as they really are. You are all wasting your time. He doesnt have the mental capability to understand.

Good point. I'll stop.

Originally posted by h1a8
Incorrect, it dropped instantly. The grab influenced its trajectory. Its trajectory would have taken it hundreds more, if not thousands, of feet away just from the visual

Firstly its not the writers who decide, its the directors. And Waititi is a different director to Whedon. That said:

https://youtu.be/SLD9xzJ4oeU

^ At 2:36

Hulk goes flying back with Mjolnir before it drops. No hint at all that Thor was attempting to send it hundreds or thousands of feet past Hulk.

https://youtu.be/IFNLQ3kgrEk

^ At 1:42 Kurse swats Mjolnir away in a different direction via brute strength alone. We dont assume HE used Magic. The Ground didnt Cave with him, so WHY would we assume/require those things for Hela.

And most damning of all here at 0:20:

https://youtu.be/SLD9xzJ4oeU

Spidey goes flying UPWARDS with Mjolnir.

IOW its very clear it depends on the Will of the user which direction Mjolnir propels itself towards.

Your butthurt over Thor and Hela though is hilarious as usual.

This effects all of us! The whole my dad can beat your dad thing is a miss, quantum entanglement dictates that the child, whichever plug, will age both parents and be immune himself!

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Firstly its not the writers who decide, its the directors. And Waititi is a different director to Whedon. That said:

https://youtu.be/SLD9xzJ4oeU

^ At 2:36

Hulk goes flying back with Mjolnir before it drops. No hint at all that Thor was attempting to send it hundreds or thousands of feet past Hulk.

https://youtu.be/IFNLQ3kgrEk

^ At 1:42 Kurse swats Mjolnir away in a different direction via brute strength alone. We dont assume HE used Magic. The Ground didnt Cave with him, so WHY would we assume/require those things for Hela.

And most damning of all here at 0:20:

https://youtu.be/SLD9xzJ4oeU

Spidey goes flying UPWARDS with Mjolnir.

IOW its very clear it depends on the Will of the user which direction Mjolnir propels itself towards.

Your butthurt over Thor and Hela though is hilarious as usual.

Kurse didn't grab Mjolnir so the worthy enchantment was not activated.

Your third video isn't Spidey.

Originally posted by h1a8
1)The hammer would have went further if Hulk wouldn't have caught it. Unless you want to argue that Thor tried to hurt Hulk with a throw that will naturally land 30-50ft away (i.e. extremely small velocity).

2)Kurse didn't grab Mjolnir so the worthy enchantment was not activated.

3)Your third video isn't Spidey.

1) Specilation. It depends on Thors will for Mjolnir.

FACT is Hulk went flying back with it.

2) PROVE worthy enchantment activates only when grabbing Mjolnir.

3) Ah and of course youve not seen the movies so without the correct clip you wouldnt have a clue what Im talking about 👆

Its here:

https://youtu.be/aWPfO4PPK4s

Originally posted by Darth Thor
1) Specilation. It depends on Thors will for Mjolnir.

FACT is Hulk went flying back with it.

2) PROVE worthy enchantment activates only when grabbing Mjolnir.

3) Ah and of course youve not seen the movies so without the correct clip you wouldnt have a clue what Im talking about 👆

Its here:

https://youtu.be/aWPfO4PPK4s

Mjolnir would have kept going if Hulk wouldn't have caught it. Hulk's mass slowed it down which caused it to drop fast. Thor didn't will it to drop. Mjolnir with 0 momentum equals dropping straight to the ground (unless someone worthy or the ground is holding it up). Spider-Man never grabbed Mjolnir with his hand. So that doesn't count. He was carried but it would have dropped eventually. Otherwise Cap would have willed Mjolnir to continue to fly (he didn't will it at all).

Originally posted by h1a8
Spider-Man never grabbed Mjolnir with his hand. So that doesn't count. He was carried but it would have dropped eventually.

Dumbest argument you've made yet.

Originally posted by h1a8
Spider-Man never grabbed Mjolnir with his hand. So that doesn't count.

2nd confirmation in a row youve never even seen the films.

Thor1 makes it crystal clear you cant just use a secondary object to grab and shift Mjolnir. The worthy enchantment remains in place.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
2nd confirmation in a row youve never even seen the films.

Thor1 makes it crystal clear you cant just use a secondary object to grab and shift Mjolnir. The worthy enchantment remains in place.

Then why can air grab Mjolnir?
What are you saying exactly?
If someone stops Mjolnir in the air and hold on to it while it is NOT moving then it will not fall or try to fall?

Originally posted by h1a8
Confirmations can sometimes lead to false conclusions.

Then why can air grab Mjolnir?
What are you saying exactly?
If someone stops Mjolnir in the air and hold on to it while it is NOT moving then it will not fall or try to fall?

It's you who is making assertions here, not me.

You're the one who claimed that as soon as someone grabs onto Mjolnir the enchantment kicks in and it immediately drops to the ground.

I've proven that claim false.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
It's you who is making assertions here, not me.

You're the one who claimed that as soon as someone grabs onto Mjolnir the enchantment kicks in and it immediately drops to the ground.

I've proven that claim false.

You haven't proven it false. Spider-Man didn't grab Mjolnir. Otherwise you can say air is always grabbing Mjolnir.

Anyway, that point is moot anyway. The discussion is on how Hela was able to hold on to Mjolnir without it dropping. You guys would say strength. But that contradicts the fact that her feet didn't cave the ground in (like in Hulk's case).

Originally posted by h1a8
You haven't proven it false. Spider-Man didn't grab Mjolnir. Otherwise you can say air is always grabbing Mjolnir.

As I already explained, if you watched the actual movies, you would know a medium tool Cant be used to deactivate the enchantment.

You air argument is stupid. Just like the floor Mjolnir sits on isnt worthy not is the air. Its dependant on the Wielder of Mjolnir wills it to do.

Originally posted by h1a8
Anyway, that point is moot anyway. The discussion is on how Hela was able to hold on to Mjolnir without it dropping. You guys would say strength. But that contradicts the fact that her feet didn't cave the ground in (like in Hulk's case).

No its not Moot. Because we saw Mjolnir trying to escape her grasp and/or move past her hand (it was moving horizontally) which means thats what Thor was willing it to do. Shes also far stronger than Hulk.

Its really quite simple. You are just over complicating things for no reason.

Originally posted by h1a8
You haven't proven it false. Spider-Man didn't grab Mjolnir.

You should really watch the movies, it'll save you from making such retarded arguments.