Order these guys by speed

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You misread me. I wasn't quoting.

And in the comic, she speedblitzes WW (feat), which backs up WWs statement (statement).

Mods have actually said Bats is a special case, which is why I chose him.

Speedblitz is traveling speed. I agree that PG is at least as fast as WW in traveling speed. My original argument is that WW has faster arm speed and perception speed.

I do not understand your point on Batman is a special case. Does that mean he can sometimes move at more 10% of the speed of HV when the plot dictates?

Originally posted by h1a8
Speedblitz is traveling speed. I agree that PG is at least as fast as WW in traveling speed. My original argument is that WW has faster arm speed and perception speed.

I do not understand your point on Batman is a special case. Does that mean he can sometimes move at more 10% of the speed of HV when the plot dictates?

I meant a blitz in that she was punching and kicking WW who was unable to dodge/block the blows.

Originally posted by h1a8

In that scan the Batman DID move more than 10% the speed of light

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Originally posted by h1a8
Speedblitz is traveling speed.

No. It depends entirely on the type of speedblitz. Some are travelling, some are reflex, and as others have said, writers generally don't care about such distinctions.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You misread me. I wasn't quoting.

And in the comic, she speedblitzes WW (feat), which backs up WWs statement (statement).

Mods have actually said Bats is a special case, which is why I chose him.

Yes WW was punched. WW, as well as Superman, Spider-Man, Batman, Flash, etc has been punched before by beings less fast. Doesn't prove anything.

WW turned around and easily dodged and block her next punches. The only attack that PG managed to evade was the lasso from a distance. I don't recall her ever been able to block or dodge and punches from WW. So if WW moves slower than PG then that proves WW has faster reactions.

I'm talking about quantifiable feats. Two characters hitting each other doesn't prove much. Especially when one has no showings ( I believe) of avoiding a punch from WW.

Originally posted by -Pr-
No. It depends entirely on the type of speedblitz. Some are travelling, some are reflex, and as others have said, writers generally don't care about such distinctions.

Originally posted by Smurph
lol so much for writer intention

The intent was that skill allowed Batman to achieve such speed.
Unless you think it was a mistake in the art?
The writer intented on Batman getting out of the way before the HV entered the air?

Originally posted by h1a8
The kick was a counter to WW trying to lasso her (it was a blitz).

Yes WW was punched. WW, as well as Superman, Spider-Man, Batman, Flash, etc has been punched before by beings less fast. Doesn't prove anything.

WW turned around and easily dodged and block her next punches. The only attack that PG managed to evade was the lasso from a distance. I don't recall her ever been able to block or dodge and punches from WW. So if WW moves slower than PG then that proves WW has faster reactions.

I'm talking about quantifiable feats. Two characters hitting each other doesn't prove much. Especially when one has no showings ( I believe) of avoiding a punch from WW.

Except that WW explicitly comments on PGs speed. If Flash says 'Doomsday is as fast as me!!' and gets hit by Doomsday, you'd have to be stupid to argue Doomsday is not as fast as Flash..despite, you know, not having any quantifiable speed feats.

Originally posted by h1a8
The intent was that skill allowed Batman to achieve such speed.
Unless you think it was a mistake in the art?
The writer intented on Batman getting out of the way before the HV entered the air?

Originally posted by Smurph
The writer intended for Batman to dodge the HV via skill, not super speed. 🙂

Now you can claim artistic error. I'll accept that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except that WW explicitly comments on PGs speed. If Flash says 'Doomsday is as fast as me!!' and gets hit by Doomsday, you'd have to be stupid to argue Doomsday is not as fast as Flash..despite, you know, not having any quantifiable speed feats.

Understood. But the problem you are not seeing is that there are different types of speed. Being as fast doesn't mean as fast in every way.

If Flash says DD is as fast as me and yet Flash beats DD in a race. Then flash is faster in traveling. What was said prior by flash becomes irrelevant.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yet he made Batman move more than 10% of the speed of the HV to do it.

Now you can claim artistic error. I'll accept that.

I don’t claim artistic error. It’s not my paradox to resolve, and it doesn’t matter what you choose to accept.

Feel free to keep claiming that Batman moved at a tenth the speed of light. The less absurd read is that high skill always lets comic book characters look stronger and faster than they actually are.

Originally posted by Smurph
….per your calculations, right?

I don’t claim artistic error. It’s not my paradox to resolve, and it doesn’t matter what you choose to accept.

Feel free to keep claiming that Batman moved at a tenth the speed of light. The less absurd read is that high skill always lets comic book characters look stronger and faster than they actually are.

The art shows Batman moving almost 1/2 of the distance that the HV moves in the same time frame.

There is no paradox. The artwork shows Batman moving almost half the speed of the HV.

Originally posted by h1a8
Understood. But the problem you are not seeing is that there are different types of speed. Being as fast doesn't mean as fast in every way.

If Flash says DD is as fast as me and yet Flash beats DD in a race. Then flash is faster in traveling. What was said prior by flash becomes irrelevant.

But the comment and the feat was in relation to reflexes (i.e fighting). WW didn't say it in relation to a race

Originally posted by h1a8
The art shows Batman moving almost 1/2 of the distance that the HV moves in the same time frame.

There is no paradox. The artwork shows Batman moving almost half the speed of the HV.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
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But the comment and the feat was in relation to reflexes (i.e fighting). WW didn't say it in relation to a race

That wasn't my point.

Originally posted by Smurph
Ok. You think Batman moved half lightspeed. Got it.

He moved at slightly less than half the distance the HV moved in the same time frame. Therefore, he moved at slightly less than half the speed of the HV in the artwork. Facts.

You can come to any conclusion you like from that.
Like the HV wasn't moving too much faster than a human can move.
Or skill allowed Batman to achieve such speed in a quick spurt.

Originally posted by h1a8
The kick was a counter to WW trying to lasso her (it was a blitz).

Yes WW was punched. WW, as well as Superman, Spider-Man, Batman, Flash, etc has been punched before by beings less fast. Doesn't prove anything.

WW turned around and easily dodged and block her next punches. The only attack that PG managed to evade was the lasso from a distance. I don't recall her ever been able to block or dodge and punches from WW. So if WW moves slower than PG then that proves WW has faster reactions.

I'm talking about quantifiable feats. Two characters hitting each other doesn't prove much. Especially when one has no showings ( I believe) of avoiding a punch from WW.

If you had read the comic, you'd KNOW the writer intended the win to be a SKILL feat for Wonder Woman, not her being faster than Power Girl. All the talk of and emphasizing skill in Diana's narration. Well, first you'd have to read comics enough to understand them, THEN read the comic. The writer explicitly had WW say Power Girl was AT LEAST as strong and fast while PeeGee was blitzing her and knocking her around. None of your normal fail arguments against fights can change what the writer intended.

Also, Karen has straight up caught WW's punch and has at least a couple other examples to support her being stronger.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
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But the comment and the feat was in relation to reflexes (i.e fighting). WW didn't say it in relation to a race

Read the last part of what I said.
If Flash beats DD in a race (insert any task here instead of race) then what was said doesn't pertain to racing (insert task)