Originally posted by h1a8
Characters don't operate at the same levels in every scene.
That's why we have high and low showings.You know this.
Otherwise we can use the craziest ABC logic to come to the most absurd conclusions.
You always say this when you're proven wrong and don't have evidence to back your claims. Unlike the Batman example, the comic actually supports WW using skill to manipulate Zoom. Like she's literally saying that's what she's doing. Partly because, ya know, she's blind.
Originally posted by Smurph
We’re just going to circle back to me asking if Batman can therefore move at hypersonic speeds and you strawmanning by posing a different question instead of giving an answer.As I said pages ago, it’s your paradox to resolve. The only relevance to this discussion is that “skill characters can pull off whatever”, as you say.
There is no paradox. We see what happened on panel.
You can't argue what happened on panel didn't happen on panel.
The only thing you can argue is slower than light HV as on cartoons and film or something else.
Originally posted by Delta1938Is what I said the truth? If so then you have no rebuttal.
You always say this when you're proven wrong and don't have evidence to back your claims. Unlike the Batman example, the comic actually supports WW using skill to manipulate Zoom. Like she's literally saying that's what she's doing. Partly because, ya know, she's blind.
Originally posted by h1a8
PG wasn't faster in any examples. But I agreed she's faster in travel speed (flight)
😆 Except the parts where she was blitzing her supported by WW'S OWN WORDS showing writer intent.
This is why people say you don't read comics. You consistently prove you don't understand them.
Originally posted by h1a8You’re right.
There is no paradox. We see what happened on panel.
You can't argue what happened on panel didn't happen on panel.
The only thing you can argue is slower than light HV as on cartoons and film or something else.
Batman is a lightspeedster. And HV moves like molasses.
You cracked it, h1.
Originally posted by Delta1938
😆 Except the parts where she was blitzing her supported by WW'S OWN WORDS showing writer intent.This is why people say you don't read comics. You consistently prove you don't understand them.
Her blitzing WW is no proof of being faster.
WW was exposed from missing with the lasso. She was left opened.
Writer's intent was that WW is faster than Superman in combat. We all know that is contradicted by history.
Plus we have WW acting as if she's faster at times (dodging PG punches).
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You're saying she has comparable speed to him. Which is false. I never said you were making her out to be faster - because that's a stretch too far, even for you.But if she is not faster, what does 'get ahead of him' mean?
You were also saying she used her perceptions to track Zoom - which did she use, pray tell?
For H1, don't wiggle away now! This is like the second time I've asked for blind WW using her perceptions to tag Zoom.
Plus, what does get ahead of him mean when she's not faster?
Originally posted by Smurph
You’re right.Batman is a lightspeedster. And HV moves like molasses.
You cracked it, h1.
Invalid conclusion. Do you even know how to debate?
You can't pick and choose which premises you like while dismissing other valid ones (variable HV by writer's intent).
Even if Batman did move more than 10% the speed of light (why are you keep saying lightspeed?) in that panel then that doesn't mean he can do it in all other showings.
In oyher words, just because a character did something doesn't mean they can always do it,or more importantly, do it now.
Originally posted by h1a8Even if Batman did move more than 10% the speed of light (why are you keep saying lightspeed?)
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
You dont have to assume though. HV is explicitly stated to be moving at ths speed of light
Originally posted by DarkSaint85I didn't see this post.
For H1, don't wiggle away now! This is like the second time I've asked for blind WW using her perceptions to tag Zoom.Plus, what does get ahead of him mean when she's not faster?
Comparable I meant enough speed to get through his frozen world perception and enough speed to tag him while he's moving.
What is shown trumps what's stated. So it is irrelevant what get ahead of him means.
What are you actually arguing now? I'm not arguing that WW was faster or as fast as Zoom in that scene. Only that it was a speed feat.
Do you agree that it was a speed feat?
If so then no need to argue because that's my only point.
Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't see this post.Comparable I meant enough speed to get through his frozen world perception and enough speed to tag him while he's moving.
What is shown trumps what's stated. So it is irrelevant what get ahead of him means.
What are you actually arguing now? I'm not arguing that WW was faster or as fast as Zoom in that scene. Only that it was a speed feat.
Do you agree that it was a speed feat?
If so then no need to argue because that's my only point.
It's not irrelevant, as it links directly to my point, which is that skill is used to bridge gaps.
She used her skill there to get ahead of him, because she knew he used his powers to time travel and get ahead of him.
And nothing is trumped. She used her skill, to block his potential spots with rocks, forcing him to be in a specific spot which she could capitalise on - hence your own point that she throws her lasso even when he's still in multiple places at once. Her lasso isn't in several places at once, so it's not as fast as him. In short, it must have been moving slowly relative to him - but he couldn't stop himself because she had used her skill.
To aim-dodge, to predict where he was going to be. Not really using her speed, like DS isn't using his speed to stab Wally.
Thus proving my point.